Do You Support Twilicorn?

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

I'm just gonna cut to the chase here and explain why the Twilicorn was a bad idea.

 

The show has accurately portrayed princesses as rulers, instead of some sort of fantasy. And that's where the problem comes in: Twilight is not ready, experienced in, qualified, interested in, or prepared to be a princess.

 

1: She is not qualified due to being extremely dependent on schedules and order, this is something that would probably backfire on her later on.

 

2: Aside from the WWU, she has no known experience of politics and ruling.

 

"But she must know a lot about politics since she reads so much!"

 

Knowledge is not the same as experience, one may know how to fight a bear, but that does not mean one can.

 

3: Twilight has never shown any interest in politics or ruling, if anything she appears to be more interested in science, technology (magic), and history.

 

There simply is no good reason for Twilight to become a princess.

I really am borderlining on becoming a Twilicorn supporter (I'm neutral on the subject), just because I'm so tired of seeing people complain.

 

I mean, we've started Season 4, and it's STILL nonstop.

 

ghosty thinks that a few people didn't like it, and it became a trend to dislike Twilicorn.

 

Also, this line:

 

 

 

Knowledge is not the same as experience

How do you expect her to be experienced right off the bat with something she had never done before? Celestia picked her for a reason, and she's gonna gain that experience.

Edited December 4, 2013 by ~Sadistic ghostfk39~

[Scootalove 10,689]

Remember Lesson Zero?

 

Lesson Zero is different. She was overreacting, and having a lot of anxiety. What does that have to do with anything?

[Moonlight 7,286]

 

 

Knowledge does not substitute experience, with that logic you wight as well elect me as president.

 

 

She just started her princess duties not too long ago. How do you expect her to be experienced right off the bat like that? She has Celestia to help her out while Twilight continues to experience being a ruler. 

[Clarity 3,094]

Evidence? How are Equestrian princesses different form our princesses?

Evidence of the opposite, then?

 

Whether or not princesses participate in politics, Twilight remains generally reasonable and possesses strong leadership. She might have freaked out during Lesson Zero and It's About Time, but nopony's flawless and Twilight can still learn and develop as the show goes on. She won't be, right off the bat, a perfect leader. 

 

Edit: Dang, got ninja'd 

Edited December 4, 2013 by Claritine

[Static Electricity 729]

How do you expect her to be experienced right off the bat with something she had never done before? Celestia picked her for a reason, and she's gonna gain that experience.

Then why did Celestia crown her as a full blown princess instead of a princess-in-training?

 

On the other hand, if that IS Celestia's plan, and calling her a princess is just to put pressure on her in order to push to do better, that makes sense.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Static Electricity

[Nature's Spell 526]

Remember Lesson Zero?

 

Knowledge does not substitute experience, with that logic you wight as well elect me as president.

 

Evidence? How are Equestrian princesses different form our princesses?

 

Authoritarianism anyone?

 

Lived in Equestria for 1,000 years, never seen a parasprite?

 

Twilight fails epically when things do not go as planned, case in point: Lesson Zero and It's About Time

Right and I can point to episodes where she took charge and kicked ass. Her trend has been up as far as dealing with situations. I do give you props for thinking, but you're several months to late.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Then why did Celestia crown her as a full blown princess instead of a princess-in-training?

 

On the other hand, if that IS Celestia's plan, and calling her a princess is just to put pressure on her in order to push to do better, that makes sense.

 

There is no such thing as a Queen in Equestria.

 

A Princess is just a Queen in training.

 

Also, I don't see Twi ruling over anything...like, you know, Celestia & Luna got Equestria, Cadence has the Crystal Empire...yeahh. She's not really a ruler.

 

Just a princess.

 

Anyway, that what it seems like Celestia has been doing with Twi all along, at least to me.

[Static Electricity 729]

Right and I can point to episodes where she took charge and kicked ass. Her trend has been up as far as dealing with situations. I do give you props for thinking, but you're several months to late.

Took charge of the Mane 6. Ponies who are her personal friends and know and trust her. The only time she had an experience similar to ruling was in winter Wrap Up (there might be more but that's the only one I can come up with atm)

 

There is no such thing as a Queen in Equestria.

 

A Princess is just a Queen in training.

 

Also, I don't see Twi ruling over anything...like, you know, Celestia & Luna got Equestria, Cadence has the Crystal Empire...yeahh. She's not really a ruler.

 

Just a princess.

 

Anyway, that what it seems like Celestia has been doing with Twi all along, at least to me.

Then what's the point of having a princess in the first place? Shouldn't Celestia already be a queen then?

[Vinyl Scratch (Filly)™ 936]

I like Twilicorn, I just find it could be interesting in future episodes as to what happens. I am hoping to see and episode where RD teaches her to fly ^^

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Took charge of the Mane 6. Ponies who are her personal friends and know and trust her. The only time she had an experience similar to ruling was in winter Wrap Up (there might be more but that's the only one I can come up with atm)

 

Then what's the point of having a princess in the first place? Shouldn't Celestia already be a queen then?

...

 

*facepalm*

 

Celestia rules Equestria, right?

 

Do you see people calling her Queen Celestia or Princess Celestia?

 

Also, what do you see Twilight ruling over? She's not a ruler, just a princess. Like Cadence was before the Crystal Empire.

[Clarity 3,094]

 

 

Took charge of the Mane 6. Ponies who are her personal friends and know and trust her. The only time she had an experience similar to ruling was in winter Wrap Up (there might be more but that's the only one I can come up with atm)

Erm... yeah? She led her friends when they had trouble, what's wrong with that, exactly?

[Static Electricity 729]

Do you see people calling her Queen Celestia or Princess Celestia?

Queen no, princess yes.

 

Also, when you said "Queen in training" I assumed you meant that's how it is in Equestria, so apologies on my part.

 

Also, what do you see Twilight ruling over? She's not a ruler, just a princess. Like Cadence was before the Crystal Empire.

Nothing, but if you are right there are no Queens in Equestria (Chrysalis...), and Celestia is a princess despite having the role one would assume to be that of a queen's, then how is Twilight also a princess but she has no power?

 

Erm... yeah? She led her friends when they had trouble, what's wrong with that, exactly?

Nothing, but it's not the same thing as ruling over a kingdom.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

 

 

Nothing, but if you are right there are no Queens in Equestria (Chrysalis...), and Celestia is a princess despite having the role one would assume to be that of a queen's, then how is Twilight also a princess but she has no power?

 

QC was of an entirely different species, dude.

 

Twilight is a Princess, but she doesn't rule over anything. She has power, like, in the season 4 opener, they went to her when Celestia and Luna went missing.

 

She doesn't rule over anything.

 

She has less power than Celestia, Luna, and I'm guessing Cadence.

 

But she has to work her way up the ladder.

 

You see what I mean now, dude?

[Static Electricity 729]

QC was of an entirely different species, dude.

 

Twilight is a Princess, but she doesn't rule over anything. She has power, like, in the season 4 opener, they went to her when Celestia and Luna went missing.

 

She doesn't rule over anything.

 

She has less power than Celestia, Luna, and I'm guessing Cadence.

 

But she has to work her way up the ladder.

 

You see what I mean now, dude?

Yes, but why call her a princess then, if she has less power than the others?

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Yes, but why call her a princess then, if she has less power than the others?

Are you gonna say Cadence has as much power as Celestia?

Edited December 4, 2013 by ~Sadistic ghostfk39~

[Nature's Spell 526]

Yes, but why call her a princess then, if she has less power than the others?

Cadence was called a princess as a filly and well before she ruled the Crystal Empire. Twilight became an Alicorn and was crowned a Princess of Equestria. She hasn't been given royal duties yet but at some point she will be and she's part of the ruling class now. She's called princess out of respect for being a leader in Equestria.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Nature's Spell

[Dark Qiviut 22,430]

Are you gonna say Cadence has as much power as Celestia?

As far as politics is concerned, nearly. Celestia helps rule all of Equestria, but Cadance rules The Crystal Empire. Apparently, Celly trusts Cadance enough to handle her job without third-party assistance.

 

EDIT:

Being a princess in Equestria is different from being a princess in our world, and we have no reason to assume that becoming an alicorn princess requires Twilight to turn into some hardcore politician.

Unfortunately, previous canon backs it up. Alicorn princesses represent management and responsibility of their powers and wisdom. Whatever they say and do affects everyone's lives, because they look up to the princesses for advice. Twilight showed that once: the clumsily written two-part premiere. Castle Mane-ia didn't demonstrate that at all and merely kept her in that "status quo" spectrum; if prolonged, that would age MMC and make Twilight a mere moving billboard.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Michael Coal

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

As far as politics is concerned, nearly.

 

Yes, but why call her a princess then, if she has less power than the others?

 

There you go

 

Why I said that. It's irrelevant how close they are, just that less.

Edited December 4, 2013 by ~Sadistic ghostfk39~

[Zoraxe 546]

I don't recall comparing MLP to Power Rangers in that regard, and I find it weird you're bringing that up in response to my argument against the 'Tyrantlestia' interpretation you seem fond of.

 

Granted, I know I bring up Power Rangers alot, but I don't recall comparing that show's writing to that of MLP.

 

I like both shows, but for very different reasons, and all I'm saying is that I fail to see how you persist on defending this 'Tyrantlestia' interpretation when almost every canon source provides obvious evidence to the contrary and will continue to do so no matter what certain people try to say about it.

 

I didn't know about you liking power rangers, I was just using it as an example.

 

In any case, I'm not arguing for 'Twrantlestia' as much as I'm arguing that 'MMC' is a poorly written mess that makes Celestia look manipulative and Twilight look, well, more like a peon than a princess.

 

And my evident is the freaking synopsis of the episode itself. Celestia sends Twilight a spell knowing what will happen and thus tricking Twilight into becoming a Princess without asking, then revealing that it was the ulterior motive the entirety of their relationship and every single friendship lesson. It doesn't take a in-deph understanding of morality and ethics to realize that the episode is effed up. Like 'Mysterious Mare Do' wells message of 'if you don't like what your friend is doing, harass them until they apologize to you'.

 

Its no so much 'MMC' itself that is bad if it was just a regular episode, but as a conclusion of seasons 1-3 and the setup to season 4, its a disservice the entirety of the show. You understand, Magical Mystery Cure is so bad its anti-pony!

[Misterian 118]

I didn't know about you liking power rangers, I was just using it as an example.

 

In any case, I'm not arguing for 'Twrantlestia' as much as I'm arguing that 'MMC' is a poorly written mess that makes Celestia look manipulative and Twilight look, well, more like a peon than a princess.

 

And my evident is the freaking synopsis of the episode itself. Celestia sends Twilight a spell knowing what will happen and thus tricking Twilight into becoming a Princess without asking, then revealing that it was the ulterior motive the entirety of their relationship and every single friendship lesson. It doesn't take a in-deph understanding of morality and ethics to realize that the episode is effed up. Like 'Mysterious Mare Do' wells message of 'if you don't like what your friend is doing, harass them until they apologize to you'.

 

Its no so much 'MMC' itself that is bad if it was just a regular episode, but as a conclusion of seasons 1-3 and the setup to season 4, its a disservice the entirety of the show. You understand, Magical Mystery Cure is so bad its anti-pony!

I don't consider MMC to be that bad, rushed, maybe, but not horrible.

 

First off, all we officially know about Celestia's plan on that episode was that she gave Twilight the unfinished spell knowing how it can be finished, we don't know if the Cutie Mark switching thing was part of it or not, and even if Celestia knew of that, she's already established to have tremendous faith in Twilight's abilities (as she explicitly made clear in the Crystal Empire episodes), so Celestia likely already figured Twilight would've solved that problem easily enough, and she did! If it took MMC to make you bothered by Celestia's methods now, I think you're in more of a good place than you realize.

 

Second of all, the 4th season already took several steps to make explicitly clear that very little about Twilight's life has really changed, McCarthy tweeted twice that Twilight will still live in Ponyville, she's already been seen reading in the library, so her living in and running Golden Oaks clearly hasn't changed. So to begrudge Celestia for changes that the show made explicitly clear are actually paltry at least and strictly positive at best is arbitrary and pointless.

 

And third of all, look at it this way; Twilight and her friends spent 3 seasons solving half of Equestria's problems, so logically putting Twilight in a position where she has a serious amount of authority is can be considered more genre savviness on Celestia's part than anything. Especially since Celestia and Luna tend to either be too busy with dealing with royal duties off-screen, worfed, or otherwise had to go off somewhere at a very bad time, it would be smart for them to have a princess always somewhere else in case there's a problem they're not around to deal with.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Misterian

[Zoraxe 546]

I don't consider MMC to be that bad, rushed, maybe, but not horrible.

 

First off, all we officially know about Celestia's plan on that episode was that she gave Twilight the unfinished spell knowing how it can be finished, we don't know if the Cutie Mark switching thing was part of it or not, and even if Celestia knew of that, she's already established to have tremendous faith in Twilight's abilities (as she explicitly made clear in the Crystal Empire episodes), so Celestia likely already figured Twilight would've solved that problem easily enough, and she did! If it took MMC to make you bothered by Celestia's methods now, I think you're in more of a good place than you realize.

 

Second of all, the 4th season already took several steps to make explicitly clear that very little about Twilight's life has really changed, McCarthy tweeted twice that Twilight will still live in Ponyville, she's already been seen reading in the library, so her living in and running Golden Oaks clearly hasn't changed. So to begrudge Celestia for changes that the show made explicitly clear are actually paltry at least and strictly positive at best is arbitrary and pointless.

 

And third of all, look at it this way; Twilight and her friends spent 3 seasons solving half of Equestria's problems, so logically putting Twilight in a position where she has a serious amount of authority is can be considered more genre savviness on Celestia's part than anything. Especially since Celestia and Luna tend to either be too busy with dealing with royal duties off-screen, worfed, or otherwise had to go off somewhere at a very bad time, it would be smart for them to have a princess always somewhere else in case there's a problem they're not around to deal with.

 

Twilight was never asked, period. She had no choice in the matter. That episode is so patronizing to Twilight. She is apparently too much of a minion to make her own life's decisions, right, is that what you are saying?

 

I'm sick of people using downright Machiavellian reasoning to defend that episode.

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

I'm not support Twilicorn. I don't know why, but I feel like I lost my fav charecter. It seems like...like... THEY KILLED TWILEEEEEEY!!! OH MY F*CKING GOD WHYYYYY?! MONSTERS THEY KILLED HER!!! Of all the terrible things that could happen, this is the MOST TERRIBLE!

*10 minutes later*

... I just wanted to say, that they didn't have to do it.

Edited December 22, 2013 by zev_zev

[Misterian 118]

Twilight was never asked, period. She had no choice in the matter. That episode is so patronizing to Twilight. She is apparently too much of a minion to make her own life's decisions, right, is that what you are saying?

 

I'm sick of people using downright Machiavellian reasoning to defend that episode.

first off, consider how, as I've stated before, very (and I mean VERY) little about Twilight's life has actually changed, Twilight has no reason to reject because nothing about the change (if you can even call it that) has actually affected her daily life, the dev team went out of their way to make us aware of that fact. And you're failing to take that into account.

 

The way Twilight's princesshood is actually brought upon her is so paltry that being upset over it is like being upset that someone suddenly gave you a new car and offers to pay all the expenses (like fuel, insurance, tabs, etc) for you.

 

Besides, the reason behind Twilight being made a Princess wasn't meant to be looked upon as some form of enslavement like you're acting like it is, the point behind it was to be Twilight's award and payoff for everything she's learned during the past 3 seasons, are you enslaved when you're given a diploma for doing extremely well at school? No! so Twilight isn't at all enslaved just for getting what is little more than a reward for all she's done.

 

The show didn't look at Twilight's coronation with such a mean-spirited angle, none of the canon characters, nor any of the cast and crew behind the show, nor even the writers and artists of the IDW comics, so I again fail to see why one should be upset over Twilicorn when show and everyone behind it are still working tirelessly in hammering it in our heads that we literally have nothing to fear about it.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2013 by Misterian

[purple.teal 50]

After I finished the third season, I went through it all a second time again. After going and watching it all after MMC's ending, Celestia looks like a big  .  Now we find it was all to fulfill some destiny she had planned for Twilight Sparkle. (My theory is that she had the same plan in mind with the training of Sunset Shimmer until she ran off.) I don't like Celestia's way of doing things, but I think/hope it all works out in the end. Twilight Sparkle has big thinks planned for her so I say "Behold, Behold, Princess Twilight Cometh!"

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

After I finished the third season, I went through it all a second time again. After going and watching it all after MMC's ending, Celestia looks like a big  .  Now we find it was all to fulfill some destiny she had planned for Twilight Sparkle. (My theory is that she had the same plan in mind with the training of Sunset Shimmer until she ran off.) I don't like Celestia's way of doing things, but I think/hope it all works out in the end. Twilight Sparkle has big thinks planned for her so I say "Behold, Behold, Princess Twilight Cometh!"

Totally agree man, it looks like all Twilight's fate are already decided by Celestia. I don't like it