Are Bronies the problem?

[Smitty91 57]

I was reading the reviews for this show at tv.com and quite a few of the negative reviews said that they liked the show, but the brony community turned them away from the fandom. One review even said that the brony community will "infuriate you to no end." The review goes on to explain his reasons behind how the brony community has completely ruined this show. Granted, at the beginning he says that bronies who simply watch the show and enjoy it are fine, but the ones who write disturbing fanfiction, draw disturbing art, and fill the Internet with memes and remixes of the songs and sometimes ruining great moments from the show are the worst. I'm just wondering if these kinds of bronies are the ones that everyone seems to hate, even the fans of the show. I'm sure that when people talk about hating bronies, they mean these types of people. So I'm just wondering if these types of people are the ones who keep people from giving the show a chance and even causing some people to leave the fandom. This isn't an attack on any of you, mind you. I'm just trying to figure out why a lot of people hate bronies and whether or not the aforementioned types of bronies may the source of it. 

[Finesthour 7,287]

I'm going to be completely honest.

I agree with what they're saying.

To an extent, of course. I was personally pushed away from the fandom due to the massive amounts of rude people who joined over the Summer of last year. Bronies aren't what they used to be. I enjoyed when "Love and Tolerance" wasn't seen as something dumb, but when it was a general rule.

 

But now, it's just something yelled to try to prove it's your right to yell at someone.

 

So no, it's general bronies. Not just "cloppers", or crap like that. Every fandom has that weird stuff that goes on. Bronies are just more popular right now. Furries get the same crap.

[Alex Kennedy 1,228]

I think that some of the art and fanfiction out there is part of the reason a lot of people dislike the show and the community as a whole. Having said that, I think it's stupid to hate something based solely on the fact that you don't like some of the people who like it.

[Shanks 10,816]

If people really are stupid and closed minded enough to let that influence whether or not they like the show than we don't really even need them anyway. These are the same issues every fandom has to deal with and MLP is no different, yes there are certain fanfics that are not everyones cup of tea but luckily for those people those fanfics will never become canon, MLP is hardly the only fandom that has overused and annoying meme's. And there is going to be handful of jerks no matter where you go, you just have to deal with them and not let them bring you down.

[Liam_marshall 42]

does that mean bronies are bad including me even thow i just watch the show and Liston to remixes ? *sigh* i hope not i love the show and i really cant wait for season 4 

[Reani 176]

There is some truth to this. I have grown to hate most Bronies that don't know when to keep it to themselves. People don't want the show to be shoved down their throat. Now, the My Little Pony fandom has 3 types of fans, the Bronies, the Ponyf*gs, and the Horsef***ers, so it's not a surprise why people hate us, and/or confuse us for the other fans.

[DJRainbowDash 724]

Personally, I don't think that the group of bronies who are responsible for remixes and memes are doing any bad at all. They are using their creativity in what they're doing, and to bash people for using their creativity seems like a low blow if you ask me. Same goes for the ones who make fan fictions and fan art.

 

I can understand what they're talking about however, and wish the fandom would go back to the whole "love and tolerance" as a general rule people keep bringing up. I've only been in the general fandom as a brony for a month or two now, so I'm relatively new. But the entire reason I joined was because of the "love and tolerance" thing itself. All my life I've been the one who respects anyone and everyone, and I've tried to go through live without making enemies. So far, I've done a pretty good job of doing this. I figured I'd find plenty of people that believe in the same sentiments that I do, and I surely have, but at the same time, I've encountered other fans who seem to completely forget this sentiment's existence. It's ironic, considering that the entire show's premise is this.

 

Sure, I'm not exactly advocating for cloppers or those who write R-rated fanfiction of the characters, but I respect them and tolerate their views of things, even if I don't support them.

 

Any fandom has problems like this where things become out of hand. Nothing in this world can be perfect, because perfection is a figment of everyone's imagination. We try to get as close as we can to it, its the best we can do. 

 

But to let this dictate whether or not they are a fan of something shows a bit of arrogance if I say so myself. I'm a  fan of the show regardless of how anybody views it, because the show itself comes first for me, then the community, as anything I do would. 

Edited April 6, 2013 by DJRainbowDash

[Finesthour 7,287]

If people really are stupid and closed minded enough to let that influence whether or not they like the show than we don't really even need them anyway. These are the same issues every fandom has to deal with and MLP is no different, yes there are certain fanfics that are not everyones cup of tea but luckily for those people those fanfics will never become canon, MLP is hardly the only fandom that has overused and annoying meme's. And there is going to be handful of jerks no matter where you go, you just have to deal with them and not let them bring you down.

How is someone a jerk for not enjoying the show you like? It means they have a different opinion.I know PLENTY of people who were turned away from the fandom, and for very good reasons.

I understand the show has nothing to do with the fandom. But people are afraid to associate themselves with the fandom due to all the stuff that goes on within.

[Nas 2,873]

As far as things go, there will always be the few who are rubbed the wrong way by this fandom, those who perceive it as something they cannot live with.

 

It all basically depends on how you see the fandom is all. To those who are unaware of our purpose, they will obviously have critical and negative reaction to us.

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

I didn't know about the brony community when I watched it first, not sure if it would have turned me away from watching it. But I can't really tell. When I found out about, well you know the disturbing stuff. I already knew that bronies were great people, I wasn't going to judge them because a small part of the fandom is into something "disturbing". I honestly don't really care if people are into that stuff, although I don't like finding it, when I'm simply looking for references for a drawing.

 

I guess, the dark side of the fandom could make people less interested in joining the fandom. I don't really know and I don't really care either.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Fluttershyfan94

[Reani 176]

There is also stuff like this that make US look bad. Enjoy the fandom, but ENJOY IT AT THE RIGHT TIME! F****ing Ch***t! Okay then, he wanted to do something different, but now he made US look even more bad.

 

http://www.wfsb.com/story/21885058/boys-plan-to-wear-dress-to-prom-being-reviewed-by-school

[hawkflame 3,310]

If it is the creative bronies that are "ruining" the show for others, then that actually kind of depresses me.  Really?  You're hating on a fandom that encourages others to write and draw and want to become an active rather than passive participant?  Why is that a bad thing?  If people love something, then people should be able to express that love however they feel.  Is it my place to hate on Trekkies or Star Wars fans for making fan films and whatnot?  Really, if that's what "haters" are saying then this is absolutely petty and stupid.

 

I suspect that more of the hate has to come from brony "evangelists"- those who preach and spread the word about bronies.  Which I could understand; I don't like being advertised to or "sold on" anything either, and if others tire of that, these bronies should respect their wishes. 

[Shanks 10,816]

How is someone a jerk for not enjoying the show you like? It means they have a different opinion.I know PLENTY of people who were turned away from the fandom, and for very good reasons.

I understand the show has nothing to do with the fandom. But people are afraid to associate themselves with the fandom due to all the stuff that goes on within.

Hold on a second, I said that there a few jerks in every fandom not that people are jerks for not liking MLP I want to make that clear. And it is one thing to not associate with a fandom as I know that there is a difference between hard core and casual fans and that is okay but to demonize, castigate and single out a fandom for the actions of a few especially when every fandom has those elements is completely unfair and inaccurate.  

[Finesthour 7,287]

If it is the creative bronies that are "ruining" the show for others, then that actually kind of depresses me.  Really?  You're hating on a fandom that encourages others to write and draw and want to become an active rather than passive participant?  Why is that a bad thing?  If people love something, then people should be able to express that love however they feel.  Is it my place to hate on Trekkies or Star Wars fans for making fan films and whatnot?  Really, if that's what "haters" are saying then this is absolutely petty and stupid.

 

I suspect that more of the hate has to come from brony "evangelists"- those who preach and spread the word about bronies.  Which I could understand; I don't like being advertised to or "sold on" anything either, and if others tire of that, these bronies should respect their wishes. 

>f people love something, then people should be able to express that love however they feel.  Is it my place to hate on Trekkies or Star Wars fans for making fan films and whatnot?  Really, if that's what "haters" are saying then this is absolutely petty and stupid.

>Petty and Stupid

 

>I suspect that more of the hate has to come from brony "evangelists"- those who preach and spread the word about bronies.  Which I could understand; I don't like being advertised to or "sold on" anything either, and if others tire of that, these bronies should respect their wishes. "

>Respect their wishes.

 

You just contradicted yourself. You just said that people who think like that are "petty and stupid", but then you say that they should "respect their wishes."

 

What makes you as a brony so high and mighty that people have to conform to your opinion? They don't have to like the show. They get their own opinion. Instead of raging and saying that people need to respect your opinion, why not accept theirs.

[Reani 176]

 

If it is the creative bronies that are "ruining" the show for others, then that actually kind of depresses me.

Good fanfic and fan art are okay. It's the Not Safe For Work content that's the problem. The NFSW fanwork is what OP was talking about.

[Scootalove 10,689]

Sometimes it is the community, but I don't usually think that we are the cause of most things. But, there are some things that we are blamed for. I wouldn't say that we are the problem.

[Finesthour 7,287]

 

Good fanfic and fan art are okay. It's the Not Safe For Work content that's the problem. The NFSW fanwork is what OP was talking about.

Every fandom has dirty things. The only reason you hear more about NSFW pony things is because Bronies are in the spotlight of trolls in the world. Furries, Trekkies, Star Wars fans, Spongebob fans, EVERYTHING has porn of it.

 

It's rule 34 of the internet, my friends. Not the problem of the fandom.

[Philosophy Pony 123]

The brony sub culture is truly an ode to peace. It separates gender inequality, promotes tolerance and approving common ground among people (episode 21: "Over a Barrel") and simulates a very healthy number of art. How this sub culture could be seen as negative is beyond me.

and cloppers...well whatever floats your boat I guess :S I don't have an honest opinion on that lol But that really isn't a huge part of brony sub culture.

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

To be honest, I think I sometimes fall in the overexcited category of bronies, but I never harp on everybody to watch it (I know that's never going to happen) and it's mostly for comedic reasons or to annoy my dad.

 

It's okay to dislike a fandom, and I'm not saying this particular fandom isn't guilty of some BS.

 

But every fandom has that, and I'm not just talking about the cloppers and weird guys. Every fandom has guys who take it too seriously or brings it up where it doesn't belong.

 

That's how fandoms work.

 

But don't hate on the show if you don't like the people watching it (that's petty), and if anyone is "ruining" the show, it is most certainly not the artists.

Edited April 6, 2013 by CITRUS KING46

[~Starlight~ 764]

Well, I am not sure about this but slightly agree, bronies driving people away is not a real excuse for not joining the fandom, but bronies that draw creepy pictures and stuff should not spread there feelings. This could drive people away because of this weird 'clopping' and this could drive people away. But people who remix and make 'non clopping' memes have not done anything wrong, they have spread the love rather than spreading there lust... 

In conclusion people should not abuse the fandom just because of bronies because of what they do!

 

(Also I am not being mean to cloppers just so you now I do not mind what they do but only if they keep it to themselves..."

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,695]

Do bronies ever get tired of talking about themselves? Please guys, enough already. Let's go do something fun.   I don't care what some guy on TV.com said. Write any kind of fanfiction, make any kind of art you want. The idea that some bronies are teen angels and others are frothing cloppers who litter the net with memes is wrong. It's a myth. Neither group really exists. We're all somewhere in between and we're all connected.

 

This is why I say "don't sweat the fandom." If you pay too much attention to the group you're going to find a hundred things that bother you. I focus on what brought the group together in the first place.

[Smitty91 57]

does that mean bronies are bad including me even thow i just watch the show and Liston to remixes ? *sigh* i hope not i love the show and i really cant wait for season 4 

 

No, no, no. I just think people don't like some bronies who are rude and intolerant. These types seem to be the reason why so many people hate bronies. It's not just the fanart or the fanfiction that's the problem. It's also the hateful/intolerant people who inhabit the fandom. For example, a hateful/intolerant brony is someone who hates anyone who doesn't like the show or otherwise vows to kill anyone who hates the show (I've seen comments use these exact words on YouTube). 

[Liam_marshall 42]

No, no, no. I just think people don't like some bronies who are rude and intolerant. These types seem to be the reason why so many people hate bronies. It's not just the fanart or the fanfiction that's the problem. It's also the hateful/intolerant people who inhabit the fandom. For example, a hateful/intolerant brony is someone who hates anyone who doesn't like the show or otherwise vows to kill anyone who hates the show (I've seen comments use these exact words on YouTube). 

oh that's good to know :3 and i thought my little pony would of changed all of that and showed bronys what friendship is all about

[Shanks 10,816]

This is why I say "don't sweat the fandom." If you pay too much attention to the group you're going to find a hundred things that bother you. I focus on what brought the group together in the first place.

Finally, someone says something actually reasonable in this topic there is hope after all. Lets stop the false choices of putting this fandom on some kind of pedestal where everyone are perfect saints all the time or demonizing it when it dosen't live up to this unrealistic and absurd standard.

Edited April 6, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[hawkflame 3,310]

>f people love something, then people should be able to express that love however they feel.  Is it my place to hate on Trekkies or Star Wars fans for making fan films and whatnot?  Really, if that's what "haters" are saying then this is absolutely petty and stupid.

>Petty and Stupid

 

>I suspect that more of the hate has to come from brony "evangelists"- those who preach and spread the word about bronies.  Which I could understand; I don't like being advertised to or "sold on" anything either, and if others tire of that, these bronies should respect their wishes. "

>Respect their wishes.

 

You just contradicted yourself. You just said that people who think like that are "petty and stupid", but then you say that they should "respect their wishes."

 

What makes you as a brony so high and mighty that people have to conform to your opinion? They don't have to like the show. They get their own opinion. Instead of raging and saying that people need to respect your opinion, why not accept theirs.

 

I did not contradict myself.  There's a difference between being creative and putting stuff up on deviantArt, Youtube, fanfiction.net, etc and posting about//"evangelizing" the show in comments or threads where it's not appropriate.  . 

 

In the first case you'd usually you'd have to actively look for such material in order to find it.  In the latter, you're  actively being sold on a product or having it thrown in your face. 

 

And where in the hell did I say that they had to conform to my opinion?