Why was Cadence turned into an alicorn but not Fluttershy? *Spoilers*

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Okay so in the crystal heart novel Cadence becomes an alicorn because she redeemed a villain called Prismia who just like trixie became evil because of a amulet (not sure if alicorn amulet though). However fluttershy redeemed Discord, DISCORD, on her own, I mean discord ruled over equestria while Prismia just trolls an earth pony village, And while Cadence becomes royalty fluttershy only gets thanked. plot holes, plot holes everywhere

[Mr. White 71]

Because just like in real life, you need the right genes to become royalty. Even though Cadence becomes an ALICORN by doing that, it doesn't mean that's what made her a princess. For example, Prince Blueblood is royalty yet is only a unicorn.

[Edgeworth1001 648]

Because Fluttershy isn't related to any members of royalty.

 

Then again, there is Prince Doucheblood Blueblood, but maybe he hasn't redeem anyone yet.

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

I don't know, was Cadence a unicorn before she was an alicorn?  Maybe the addition of magic to a non-unicorn has some nasty health/mental side-effects, while adding wings doesn't really do anything.  However, if Cadence was originally an earth pony or pegasus, then that theory is useless.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

I don't know, was Cadence a unicorn before she was an alicorn?  Maybe the addition of magic to a non-unicorn has some nasty health/mental side-effects, while adding wings doesn't really do anything.  However, if Cadence was originally an earth pony or pegasus, then that theory is useless.

actually it mentioned that princess Cadence used to be a pegasus raised by earth ponies. so yeah your theory is invailed.

but perhabs it was because of The age difference as cadence was still a teenager

[SkyeRibbonPwny 406]

actually it mentioned that princess Cadence used to be a pegasus raised by earth ponies. so yeah your theory is invailed.

but perhabs it was because of The age difference as cadence was still a teenager

wait so is Cadence an orphan?! Dafuq??

THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND I REALLY REALLY REALLY NEED THIS STUPID BOOK.

Remember when you only had to watch the show?

[Mushy Giant Friend 206]

I haven't read the book, but I know the plot and all that. (Thank you Reddit!!)

It says that Cadence created her own magic in the process, love magic. Not exactly a plot hole. Also did Fluttershy make any magic in the process? Nope.

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

actually it mentioned that princess Cadence used to be a pegasus raised by earth ponies. so yeah your theory is invailed.

but perhabs it was because of The age difference as cadence was still a teenager

 

Ah, I see.  So maybe it has to do with age difference.

 

Also, was Cadence asked specifically to redeem Prismia, or did she do it of her own accord?  Because had Princess Celestia not asked Fluttershy to redeem Discord, I doubt that she would have (proof: she didn't do so in Return to Harmony).  Maybe it was less that Cadence had the ability to redeem villains, and more that she went out of her way to, instead of resorting to violence and friendship laser beams, try to understand Prismia and why she had become a villain.

 

As you can tell, I haven't read the novel, so if Cadence was specifically asked to redeem Prismia, then this theory is also invalid.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,836]

I'd assume it's because Fluttershy isn't magical at ALL to begin with.I mean, for all we know, since two of the Alicorns are (essentially) goddesses, one had redeemed a villain, and one had mastered friendship, I'd assume that if it was as easy as being part of an event, everyone would be doing it. But It's probably something you already need royal genetics to do.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think it is because, Fluttershy does not have royal blood. I guess Celestia really does acknowledge her citizens but, if you have the royal genetics it is very easy. But, Fluttershy does not have that. I like both of them though.

[Evilshy 5,091]

This isn't a plot hole in any sense of the term.

 

It's like that thread that awhile ago, asking "Why did Twi become an Alicorn after completing just one spell when Starswirl completely hundreds?"

 

There is no single thing that one must do, and then one becomes an Alicorn. Twi didn't become an Alicorn because she finished the spell, she became and Alicorn because Celestia had been grooming her to become one for quite a while, and completing the spell (by returning all of her friends' Marks to their correct owner) was a test to make sure she was ready; not the cause itself. It was also a test that was about her talent: Twi's talent is magic, and her final test was to create one of the most powerful spells in Equestria. There is no indication that Twi has royal blood either, so it can't be a prerequisite for becoming an Alicorn.

 

I haven't read this, but I'm guessing that redeeming Prismia was Cadences test to make sure she was ready. Cadences talent is Love, and her magic is Love-based, and redeeming an evil pony probably involves a decent amount of Love.

 

Fluttershy used her talent to redeem Discord, but she wasn't being groomed to become an Alicorn, and it wasn't a test to see if she was ready to become one.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Evilshy

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

I think it is because, Fluttershy does not have royal blood. I guess Celestia really does acknowledge her citizens but, if you have the royal genetics it is very easy. But, Fluttershy does not have that. I like both of them though.

neither did cadence, she was adopted, and that happened after she became an alicorn. stop assming stuff, did you even read the book or atleast read its review?

[Scootalove 10,689]

neither did cadence, she was adopted, and that happened after she became an alicorn. stop assming stuff, did you even read the book or atleast read its review?

Never read the book. Sorry about that, if I didn't read the book. Didn't really read the book or the review, I've been pretty busy that's why I couldn't.

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Never read the book, but off the bat (just from the first post) I see continuity errors here.....Princess Celestia said in the show what Twilight has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.....that is all i wanted to say....

Edited May 1, 2013 by Treble Bolt

[Windwaker 194]

Well, that book is FULL of roors, mistakes, and stupidity. 

 

Like you said:

 

 

 

Cadence becomes an alicorn because she redeemed a villain called Prismia who just like trixie became evil because of a amulet (not sure if alicorn amulet though). However fluttershy redeemed Discord, DISCORD, on her own,

 

 

And there is the fact that my "Tubby Wubby Pony Wafu" (Not RD, Trixie. I just like the title.) doesn't act like herself and goes with Gilda! (And isn't ponies surprised that Gilda has returned?) And Trixie would NEVER do that! She's good now! She would be like "The Great and Apologetic Trixie does not want to play games! I have work to do!" It's just stupid!

Edited May 1, 2013 by Windwaker and Babs

[hawkflame 3,310]

wait so is Cadence an orphan?! Dafuq??

 

Not necessarily. Remember, the Cakes also gave birth to a pegasus (and a unicorn) even though they're both Earth Ponies.

 

I'd assume it's because Fluttershy isn't magical at ALL to begin with.I mean, for all we know, since two of the Alicorns are (essentially) goddesses, one had redeemed a villain, and one had mastered friendship, I'd assume that if it was as easy as being part of an event, everyone would be doing it. But It's probably something you already need royal genetics to do.

 

The whole idea that royal blood/royal genetics has anything to do with this ignores the fact that Twilight doesn't have that, as far as we know.  Yes, her brother is royalty, but only because he married into it. 

 

I agree with Evilshy in that it's more than likely because Fluttershy didn't have alicorn potential like Cadence or Twilight, and therefore wasn't being groomed to become one.

Edited May 2, 2013 by hawkflame

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

Never read the book. Sorry about that, if I didn't read the book. Didn't really read the book or the review, I've been pretty busy that's why I couldn't.

 

Oh Gawd, the text! It isn't Italic! It's the end times!

 

But in all seriousness, I've been meaning to read the book as well.

 

Personally, I don't like the idea of Celestia having groomed Twilight since Day 1. It implies that Twilight only became an alicorn because she knew the right ponies and that she was just checking items off Celestia's list. I like to think that the Universe was all "It's Ascendin' Time!" and Celestia just sensed it in the Force and went ahead to meet Twilight in the Plasma Screen TV Dimension instead of just having her plan everything.

[Anadu Kune 668]

Is this book even canon? if it is then ok we should talk about it in conjunction with the show, if not then its kinda moot. In any case Im already seeing a big difference. Fluttershy was asked to reform Discord by Celestia she probably wouldn't have done so otherwise. Cadence on the other hand reformed a villain of her own accord presumably out of love. Though there are still unknowns. Does this book provide backstory on what had happened before this event? What was Cadence doing? Was it presented as a simple recap event? Its quite feasible that Cadence ascended and learned the deeper meaning behind her talent in this way. As it seems that Alicorn hood is a transformation gained through an extreme heightened understanding of ones talent/destiny. So its kinda similar to getting a cutie mark, its something that's realized in different ways with different ponies. Just in the difference of seeking out to reform a villain of ones own will rather than doing so by request or order is huge. 

There's too much info that's either not conveyed in your post or not given in the book for such a judgement to be made definitively  Not only that but even granting more info we are missing pretty much any visual info. Much of what is conveyed in the show relies on visual presentation as a means of story telling. However even with as little as you have given us I am seeing a logic here so yeah I think you are rushing to judgement on this. 

Also again almost everything said hinges on this being canon. If I were a betting man and Im not I would say that it is not.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Anadu Kune

[Wingnut 7,005]

I haven't seen this story, and I'm too busy to check it out anytime in the near future.  I'm sure some variables like royal blood provide the explanation.  Heck, for all we know, she WOULD have become an alicorn after Discord's face turn, but being the practical joker he is, Discord used his power to prevent it from happening. 

 

Anyway Fluttershy has been called an earth pony in a pegasus body since who knows when?  If she evolved into an alicorn, then she'd be considered an earth pony in an alicorn body.  And don't forget the recent rumor that Fluttershy was going to lose her WINGS in season 4.  Most of us seem to like her just the way she is. 

 

 

 

Oh Gawd, the text! It isn't Italic! It's the end times!

Good eye, I didn't notice that.  Who are you impostor and what have you done with Chaotic Lightning? 

Edited May 2, 2013 by Wingnut

[Rainbow Dash Loyalty 1,275]

I wouldn't think redeeming a villain would instantly reward you with Alicorn powers just because. I'd say if you were going to be given Alicorn powers then you'd have to be the right person to have it. Like Evilshy said, Twilight became an Alicorn because Princess Celestia has been grooming her to become one, watching all of the things she's accomplished.

Fluttershy doesn't even seem to use her own wings that much, so what would be the point of giving her a magical horn?

[Ganondox 899]

Okay so in the crystal heart novel Cadence becomes an alicorn because she redeemed a villain called Prismia who just like trixie became evil because of a amulet (not sure if alicorn amulet though). However fluttershy redeemed Discord, DISCORD, on her own, I mean discord ruled over equestria while Prismia just trolls an earth pony village, And while Cadence becomes royalty fluttershy only gets thanked. plot holes, plot holes everywhere

Because Cadance is a Mary Sue through and through. Fluttershy is an actual character. Next question please, this one was way too easy. 

[Nature's Spell 526]

Because Cadance is a Mary Sue through and through. Fluttershy is an actual character. Next question please, this one was way too easy.

I hate that phrase. I really hate that phrase. Twilight was born to become a princess and everything happend to support that outcome, but that doesn't mean it was uncontrolled destiny. Twilight had to do the right things and make the right decisions. Everything was a test. Some ponies are destined for bigger things and Cadence and Twilight are those ponies. No effort is wasted. Even a garbage pony is important.

[aRegularPony 306]

Okay so in the crystal heart novel Cadence becomes an alicorn because she redeemed a villain called Prismia who just like trixie became evil because of a amulet (not sure if alicorn amulet though). However fluttershy redeemed Discord, DISCORD, on her own, I mean discord ruled over equestria while Prismia just trolls an earth pony village, And while Cadence becomes royalty fluttershy only gets thanked. plot holes, plot holes everywhere

Why didn't Twlight become an alicorn as soon as she redeemed Nightmare Moon? I haven't heard of this book, and I kinda don't think it's canon. If it is canon, it's fail canon

[Ganondox 899]

I hate that phrase. I really hate that phrase. Twilight was born to become a princess and everything happend to support that outcome, but that doesn't mean it was uncontrolled destiny. Twilight had to do the right things and make the right decisions. Everything was a test. Some ponies are destined for bigger things and Cadence and Twilight are those ponies. No effort is wasted. Even a garbage pony is important.

Cadance is an awful character, if she can be called that. She is poorly designed, boring, unrelatable  and appears to have a writers bias towards here. Situations surrounding her are not logical. The best explanation for while Cadance and no Fluttershy is the same for everything regarding her: she is a pretty pink princess made to sell toys. 

Edited May 2, 2013 by Ganondox

[Urkelbot 63]

As I see it, It's a moot point, Fluttershy barely uses her wings as a Pegasus, If she was an Alicorn Princess, she'd be petrified to use magic!