Am I the only brony on here who thinks Chrysalis should not be redeemed?

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Exactly. I've seen a lot of villains who be evil because they enjoy it, and it's time for a change at least. Anyway, I think Chrysalis will be given more depth in the future at least.

I wish... there is so much potential for her that's being wasted... and oh god please don't make another cheesy victory! For once i would like to see her be defeat because someone was smart enough to outsmart her. Not "I looked away and you won.", not "You suddenly became more powerful than me." that's darn right ridiculous.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I wish... there is so much potential for her that's being wasted... and oh god please don't make another cheesy victory! For once i would like to see her be defeat because someone was smart enough to outsmart her. Not "I looked away and you won.", not "You suddenly became more powerful than me." that's darn right ridiculous.

It has to happen eventually, that potential will have to resurface somehow.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

It has to happen eventually, that potential will have to resurface somehow.

I think if at her return they say she died the "should not be redeemed" thing will die out. I mean if she died in that episode before the return of the changelings.

I think she's better off being a one-shot villain.

Thing is she lived for the most part... so she has a slight chance of coming back.

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think if at her return they say she died the "should not be redeemed" thing will die out. I mean if she died in that episode before the return of the changelings.

Oh wow, that is really deep. If only she survived that ordeal.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

But I just think she only needed one appearance and no more.

If i fail to understand why will you explain to me? I mean okay she doesn't need to return but... why? 

[Mywas 687]

Chrysalis is like Leatherface, raised to be evil and is beyond redeemtion

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Personally, I'd rather have King Sombra make another appearance rather than Chrysalis because the writers really didn't do anything with him.

I don't think they did much either with Chrysalis. Sombra at least got some sort of backstory. Queen Chrysalis got NOTHING.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

On the other end, she got more characterization than Sombra.

I would prefer characterization over a backstory if I had to choose.

Let's compromise for a mutual return then? That would be interesting at least. Whether they return together or as enemies who make a war that catches Equestria in the middle that's another thing. It'd be interesting to see who we consider more redeemable... Sombra or Chrysalis? I personally favor Chryssie.

[ChoroChii 284]

I think she should be over and done with, honestly. She had her run and made for a good villain but I don't see any reason to even bring her back, let alone redeem her. 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

I guess it does come down to who can be more redeemable.

I guess it just depends on which villain you liked better?

I can't say i "hated" Sombra... but having a generically evil villain was bad for me.

 

 

 

I think she should be over and done with, honestly.

That's another problem. An "evil" Chrysalis wouldn't just give up after the first failure. She would try again and again and again. Until redeemed or imprisoned. It was likely the concept that led to Discord being redeemed. I mean... why turn him to stone again and again if he's going to eventually win when he escapes.

[ChoroChii 284]

That's another problem. An "evil" Chrysalis wouldn't just give up after the first failure. She would try again and again and again. Until redeemed or imprisoned. It was likely the concept that led to Discord being redeemed. I mean... why turn him to stone again and again if he's going to eventually win when he escapes.

 

 

We can't be redeeming every other villain and the likelihood of someone being "destroyed" in a children's show is not looking very well. What are they going to do, imprison her? Send her to another realm? Maybe we should get some new villains in here, after all, we only get one per season. 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

What are they going to do, imprison her? Send her to another realm?

Prison sounds more like it. I for once would love to see a prison that doesn't involve making the just stall for time before taking revenge. It would make for a great friendship lesson against revenge i would say.

 

Maybe we should get some new villains in here, after all, we only get one per season. 

Villains aren't needed. Antagonists are... i don't understand why Trixie and Lightning Dust were considered villains... they were antagonists and Trixie only turned evil after wearing the amulet.  

[ChoroChii 284]

Prison sounds more like it. I for once would love to see a prison that doesn't involve making the just stall for time before taking revenge. It would make for a great friendship lesson against revenge i would say.

 

 

The just stall for time? What do you mean?

 

 

Villains aren't needed. Antagonists are... i don't understand why Trixie and Lightning Dust were considered villains... they were antagonists and Trixie only turned evil after wearing the amulet.  

 

 

I'm not a big fan on villains. I prefer antagonists myself.

They were? o-o By who?

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

The just stall for time? What do you mean?

Like what happened with imprisoning Discord. I mean he turned evil once again after a thousand years in prison. Nightmare Moon as well...

 

They were? o-o By who?

Look above in the thread... it's sad really. 

[XxConfusedUnicornxX 834]

A comeback episode would be nice. Like the changelings have a war with Cantorlot. Something like that.

[ChoroChii 284]

Like what happened with imprisoning Discord. I mean he turned evil once again after a thousand years in prison. Nightmare Moon as well...

 

Look above in the thread... it's sad really. 

 

 

Oh,Yeah, that would be nice.

 

and I'm kind of afraid to.

[Hive King 2,001]

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She had a sense of honor which involved not hurting anyone physically. As for her not getting angry, it's in her best interest to not get angry 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

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She had a sense of honor which involved not hurting anyone physically. As for her not getting angry, it's in her best interest to not get angry

Not angry exactly... Frustrated that she lost. Also consider her ultimate plans involved world conquest and mind-controlling hundreds and thousands of people i don't think she has any honor. Even the honor of not hurting others physically flies off the window when her best interests were for her not to do so.

[Nikkers 29]

I think because alot of in this fandom want to love and tolerate But the points are very true. But i think people like her because she isnt a typical bad guy in this fandom. and if we can some what redeem discord who knows.

[Mywas 687]

I think because alot of in this fandom want to love and tolerate But the points are very true. But i think people like her because she isnt a typical bad guy in this fandom. and if we can some what redeem discord who knows.

Pretty much this. People like relatibility(the ability to relate to something) so they Want To see good even in the devils of Equestria. I can't say that I agree with that but I respect that the majorty of the fandom likes that .

[Adachi 772]

I would be tottaly in for that... somewhere out there i think there is a saying from the show's creators that their holes are sings of them being "Incomplete". Notice how the name Chrysalis is the second stage of a transformation to a butterfly? What if that, like the songs she sung using the musical term "deceptive cadence", had also a secret meaning? What if she could "evolve" and surpass this? It would be an interesting inded and i have thought of that and am trying to apply it on my fic. In my fic they're actually supposed to be guardians of the world together with the ponies... makes for an interesting plot to see how the mightiest and noblest can fall and become so evil... like Darth Vader did.

 

Yea me too... i simply wish there was more depth into her character. Deeper characters that have reasons for being evil other than the fact that they enjoy it makes you like them more. Not sympathize... like them. A character with reasons for being evil makes a far more interesting character than someone who is evil because he/she wants to be evil. That's really shallow... and if an interesting evil character is redeemable because of the reasons that character is evil for then... i don't care. Oh and btw i don't count the comics.

Yeah, kinda like Laharl. He doesn't hide the fact that he's evil (or at least is trying to be). Although in the end, Laharl actually has a heart and a conscience which makes him do the right thing in the end. Etna is kinda the same way, she'll make remarks like she doesn't care what happens to others, but she'll still end up doing the right thing. Mao is another example. In the beginning it seems he only wants to be evil, he's even the dean of an evil academy, and even though the player doesn't find out til later that he's actually capable of being good, players can't help but like him or at least be interested in him. And I believe Desco  is considered evil, at least in a way. She says inappropriate things to others like "hope you die", but in the end, she's just a curious child who is learning about the world. She wants to be the final boss in a game, but I think she's busy enjoying the ride, and doing good in the process. Valvatorez used to be a great evil, and nobody even knows what would happen if he got his powers back, but he's extremely noble, and always keeps his promises.

 

Sorry for all the Disgaea fanboyism xD

[BlinkZ 1,151]

Okay fine, you could blab on about so call character..when the show showed little to none about her.  But really Show wise, it won't happen.  She not coming back she not blasting off again.  

Okay fine replace HItler with say Egg head from sonic HAPPY

[Adachi 772]

Okay fine, you could blab on about so call character..when the show showed little to none about her.  But really Show wise, it won't happen.  She not coming back she not blasting off again.  

 

Okay fine replace HItler with say Egg head from sonic HAPPY

The difference is that Egghead was a robot who had no emotion or morals. Chrysalis at least showed some fear and emotion, when she thought that Celestia was gonna defeat her. Yes, she's unrepentently wicked, but she isn't genocidal like Egghead is. In one of the Sonic games, Egghead actually kills Tails in the bad ending. He also had numerous innocent animals imprisoned in his machines of war, just to spite Sonic. Chrysalis is greedy, but she has a reason for everything she does. She doesn't kill unnecessarily, just imprison those who try to get in her way. And there is no confirmation of whether she's doing it because she and her people need it or not.

 

Honestly, I don't think there's much of a reason to redeem her, but I have faith in the writers if they decide to go that route.

[Hive King 2,001]

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Her plan was to become princess, not anything else. The demon form corrupted her. Besides, if I was in her position, I'd be kissing ass too 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

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Her plan was to become princess, not anything else. The demon form corrupted her. Besides, if I was in her position, I'd be kissing ass too

Its not actually clear that she wanted the crown to become a princess. More likely she wanted it to gain POWER. Thats what she wanted... To... As she said "I don't want this stupid world/highschool." "I lied about breaking the portal." "I want Equestria." She is sly cunning and devious. She is simply Chrysalis in a smaller scale. Also about your last part... Well thats just a part of being cunning... Or just being fake/lying to yourself.

 

Thing is Sunset Shimmer should be frustrated not at the others but at herself. "How could i make such a mistake? Why didn't i see this coming? I should have won!" Those words wpuld make for a far more realistic sadness later.

 

Also she wasn't corrupted. She was overwhelmed by her desire for power. Corruption would suggest her form degraded. If anything it could be considered a wicked form of ascension to a form that was more powerful than her old one.

Edited March 22, 2014 by nioniosbbbb