Pony Hate?

[Guest]

Those are fighting words. Fluttershy is the caring one thus the center of the group. Without Fluttershy, Twilight would become a complete facist.

Can't tell if sarcasm or serious...

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,825]

Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon. They just seek to bring down the CMCs...

 

I just wish that they could be redeemed. Those two could seriously use a redeeming episode. Having to go through an episode with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon trying to foil the CMC's hopes and dreams is just sad...

Edited August 14, 2015 by C. Thunder Dash

[Black Sabbath 2,487]

I really hate Luna, mostly because of her fans. 

[Dark Qiviut 22,582]

Flutteruseless

she's still the useless doormat she was in season 1

• Friendship Is Magic, Part 2: Tamed the manticore by pulling out the cursed splinter.
• The Ticket Master: Dusted the Golden Oak Library to woo Twilight into giving her the other Gala ticket.
• Dragonshy: Stood up to the dragon after her friends were assaulted.
• The Stare Master: Was able to tame Opal (off-screen) and then risked her life to save Twilight and the CMCs.
• Green Isn't Your Color: Agreed to model for Photo Finish and then admitted to Rarity personally that she wasn't a fan of it in the climax.
• A Bird in the Hoof: Took care of an ailing Philomena.
• The Return of Harmony: The only one who was forcibly controlled by Discord (Part 1); flew quickly to help Applejack tame a runaway Dash and save Rarity and Pinkie.
• Putting Your Hoof Down: Stood Up to Iron Will when she wasn't satisfied with his advice.
• Hurricane Fluttershy: Worked her tail off to improve from her first trial run and then stepped in, confronted her stage fright head on, and help ascend Ponyville's reservoir water to Cloudesdale.
• A Canterlot Wedding: Orchestrated the choir for the wedding.
• The Crystal Empire: Took part of the jousting match with Rainbow despite her massive stage fright.
• Keep Calm and Flutter On: Beat Discord in his own game.
• Rainbow Falls, Equestria Games: Prepared and took part of the aerial relay event.
• Bats!: Kept her ground when Applejack et al. wanted her to get rid of the vampire fruit bats in a method she greatly despised.
• Filli Vanilli: Even with her stage fright, she took part of the Ponytones by singing as "Big Mac" — Flutterguy — while backstage. When the Ponytones became the thing in Ponyville, she was the one who suggested them to participate in the events.
• The Cutie Map: Found out about Starlight Glimmer's fradulent stance and outed her next morning.
• Tanks for the Memories: Explained to Dash about hibernation and Tank's need to hibernate. When Dash was desperate to keep him awake, she told her the blunt truth: Dash was going to be petless during the winter months.
• Make New Friends, but Keep Discord: Made friends with Tree Hugger while she was away in Three's a Crowd (the first time she did that) and then confronted Discord when he threatened to "banish" TH.

There are many reasons to dislike Fluttershy, but "useless" ain't one of them.

 

Also, Fluttershy's character during season five has been much better compared to years ago. The Cutie Map, Castle Sweet Castle, Tanks for the Memories, and Make New Friends show the audience how much she's grown; this time, they stick with it.

 

Rainbow Dash...ugh, overbearing, self centered little shit, who gets away with it, because she acts like her element in her deus ex machina episodes about her.

Rainbow Dash is kind of a jerk most of the time and I've never really been a big fan of her.

• Rainbow Dash is far from being a completely overbearing and self-centered character. In fact, she competes with Rarity as the most three-dimensional character of the entire show.

   

  Griffon the Brush-Off: When Gilda insulted the entire party and Dash's new friends, she called out Gilda for her terrible behavior, as she should. Dash cared for both of them, but Gilda didn't appreciate them, and Dash was having none of it.

   

  Sonic Rainboom: The first episode to introduce her self-confidence issues. Like Rarity, Dash is very afraid of failure. Because she's unable to perform the Sonic Rainboom since her childhood days, she worried she'll be a laughingstock, and who can blame her. When Rarity was falling, Dash wasted no time descending to help her and the Wonderbolts.

   

  Hurricane Fluttershy: Even though Rainbow Dash was tough and with high standards, she wasn't afraid to step back and encourage Fluttershy. Throughout, she treated her as just as valuable a pegasi as everyone else.

   

  Sleepless in Ponyville, Flight to the Finish: Stood by Scootaloo's side while still treating her as a self-respecting pony. FttF in particular.

   

  Testing Testing: She and Twilight exchanged very immature barbs at each other and were called out. Afterwards, they felt very guilty. But no matter the tactic, Dash couldn't fully get into learning the techniques, because they bore her and don't capture her attention. Her immaturity at the beginning is believable because of who she is and how the writers kept her accountable. But she was also very worried that she wouldn't qualify for the reserves, hence her sorrow and meltdown.

   

  These are just a few examples.

• Zhortac, you're not using the "Deus Ex Machina" correctly. A DEM stands for a moment not previously established suddenly barging in as a way to get out of a writing corner. Twilight suddenly turning everyone into breezies after not being involved for almost the entire episode is one such example. Rainbow Dash's loyalty has been established since Part 1 of the pilot, and her loyalty in those episodes are foreshadowed, so they're not DEMs.

Dozens of times, she showed loyalty to not just her friends, but the ability to care for them, too.

 

• FIM1: Bumped into Twilight and accidentally made her dirty. So she cleaned her up.
• FIM2: When the Shadowbolts gave her a choice to join and abandon her friends, Dash was quick in saying "no."
• Griffon the Brush Off: After Pinkie told Dash not to play the prank on 'Shy, Dash decided to relent, only to get hit with the ink joke. When Gilda personally insulted Pinkie Pie and the rest of her friends, she stood up to Gilda and told her if Gilda was only concerned about being cool, Gilda can go elsewhere. It was obvious that Dash was disappointed in Gilda and wasn't interested in abandoning her friends in Ponyville.
• Winter Wrap Up: Led the weather team and was furious when every important thing the weather team went wrong. Furthermore, she was trying to help lead and cooperate with the others when the others were being way too slow, delaying the weather team itself.
• Fall Weather Friends: After she and Applejack feuded and behaved really terribly, they felt really guilty, but they both decided to go out and set things right by going back to knock all the dead leaves down.
• Sonic Rainboom: Without a shadow of a doubt, one of Dash's shining performances. Even when Dash was telling 'Shy to yell, she stuck by her side. The Cutie Mark Chronicles backs this up by protecting Fluttershy when she was relentlessly bullied. When Rarity and the Wonderbolts were falling for their deaths, she performed the Sonic Rainboom to save them.
• Party of One: Dash decided to check back at Pinkie and ask her to come to Sweet Apple Acres. When Pinkie — in her depressed rage — refused, Dash dragged Pinkie to SAA as a last resort. Without Dash's interference, Pinkie would still be Pinkamena.
• Return of Harmony, Part 2: After Twilight turned her back to normal, Dash frantically asked her friends what happened to the Elements and if Discord was already defeated.
• Lesson Zero: When AJ needed to build a new barn, Dash needed to destroy the old one first.
• Mare Do Well: Her friends were major jerks, and they literally tried to emotionally hurt her. But she still stuck by them when any friend in real life would've dumped them.
• The Last Roundup: Interrogating Applejack for not returning, thereby showing her concern for her friend.
• Hurricane Fluttershy: After realizing Fluttershy's severe stage fright, Dash relaxed her firm, leader-esque, sergeant-like personality and gave her plenty of encouragement. After Fluttershy ran off in tears, she was worried about her. During the final act, she stopped caring about the record and was more focused on actually completing the win-or-nothing act, and she led the cheer for Fluttershy when she courageously flew into the tornado and helped get the reservoir to fly into Cloudesdale.
• The Crystal Empire, Part 2: Whether Fluttershy liked it or not, Dash had to keep the Crystal Ponies distracted enough to not collapse into fear and give them a good time. Her action was in character because it was justified.
• Sleepless in Ponyville & Wonderbolts Academy: Each the peak of her three-dimensional characterization. There are essays breaking down her wonderful balance of character during these two, especially WA.
• Magical Mystery Cure: Helping Rarity clear out the weather when she had no idea what to do.
• Flight to the Finish: Trained the CMCs while still keeping her cool. As Scootaloo doubted herself, Dash said one of the most important lines in the whole show:

  Rainbow Dash: But that was me! You're you! And it just doesn't matter if you can fly or not. Your routine was amazing 'cause it represented exactly what makes Ponyville special. You do still know what that is, right?

  Another reason why her words of encouragement were so important is how cleverly it reaffirms the continuity from Sleepless in Ponyville without distracting the viewer.

   

  Throughout FttF, she helped train the CMCs to win the Ponyville flag-carrying contest and dropped her guard when Scootaloo didn't board. If Dash truly wasn't a role model, then she wouldn't have cared for Scoots's well-being so much. But Dash took her word from SiP and backed it up!

• Rainbow Falls: Stuck by her team even though they weren't the best fliers.
• Equestria Games: Wasn't focused so much on winning. Instead, she encouraged her competition to do the best they can. Although her aerial relay team didn't win, she wasn't so upset about it. This alone is a testament to her growth as a character.
• The Cutie Map: She and her friends were stuck in Starlight's brainwashing cell, but she remained firm in her own morals and stayed by her friends' side throughout.
• The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone: Decided to put her past conflict with Gilda behind her, and their relationship started fresh.

Throughout the series, she has a really insecure side and doesn't like to show it because she doesn't want to be seen as weak. This makes her extremely three-dimensional as a character by taking her archetype and weaving in something new and real. So many people can relate to a character like her: out and proud, yet reserved and nervous on the inside. Sonic Rainboom, Wonderbolts Academy, and Testing Testing are brilliant examples featuring her vulnerability, and all of them do it without being forced.

 

Dash weaves and leans on emotions. Sure, every main character does that, too. But Dash is arguably one of the most out about it. When you see her upset, you know it immediately, and people can understand how mentally crippling it can be to her.

 

 

The only way I can keep watching when she comes on screen is by pretending that this episode never happened.

That's like saying the only way you can watch the show when Twilight Sparkle or Fluttershy are on screen is by pretending their terrible actions never happened. What happened with Rainbow Dash in episodes like Tanks for the Memories happened. It's just as much a part of the canon, and that's not changing. What she did in the past might come back and play a role in future episodes, like Twilight in Amending Fences.

 

If you hate any of the mane six please do yourself and me a favor and stop watching the show and leave the fandom.

If you have real hatred for one of the mane six, I don't even consider you a fan.

Your logic behind this is objectively wrong, because it's dangerous. Just because a fan hates a main character doesn't mean they're not fans of the product. Valid reasons for hating a character, including a main one, exist. Observe them and see whether they make sense or not.

 

Hating Fluttershy because her character had constantly reset, devolved into a flanderized mess in between Luna Eclipsed and Twilight's Kingdom, and had two of her main episodes show her do terrible things are valid. This is a show about likeable characters and using these characters to help teach morals, so Fluttershy being shown to do reprehensible actions — verbally abusing her friends in Putting Your Hoof Down; assaulting Rainbow Dash and not following up her end of the deal in Dragon Quest; manipulating Discord in Keep Calm, Princess Twilight Sparkle, and Make Friends — and not suffering any reasonable consequences implies she can do even worse and get away with it. If any of these episodes were my first, and I saw that from her, I wouldn't want anything to do with her.

 

But hating Fluttershy because she's mostly useless is not a good reason because it's false.

 

The brony fandom doesn't belong to some form of club like your "No True Scottsman" fallacy implies. The brony fandom belongs to everyone. Telling others to stop watching the show/"leave the fandom" because they hate a character is completely elitist, and it makes you look no better than the people you claim to dislike.

 

I really hate Luna, mostly because of her fans.

If you're going to hate a character, hate him or her for his or her character quality only. To blame the fans no matter the scale is to take what happened in the show and shift it on the fanbase. Never scapegoat the fans.

 

Edited August 21, 2015 by Dark Qiviut

[Cyandashie 128]

I hate Diamond Tiara and her sidekick (sorry, I forgot the gray filly's name.)

[Sunny Shimmer 259]

I hate Prince Blueblood. He only appear for a short while but I hate him the most.

[DND 2,355]

Oh no, I'm not a hater, but I'm a bit bothered by some characters.

 

I relate to Fluttershy but her writing is cookie cutter and kind of perfects her flaws. In Dragonshy, she went from doormat to bane of Dragons and as far as I'm concerned that's one of her only major flaws. She has no "bad side" to her personality. In Putting Your Hoof Down, that most definitely not Fluttershy's actual personality, just a weakness she actually overcomes. It seems a lot of people as well choose her as a favorite is for shallow reasons like her cuteness. 

 

I'm honestly not a big fan of Derpy, she's just not really even that great with the fanon lore. It was at first for the lols of how she boomed in popularity and now It's a whole "disabled" cinnamon roll Main 7 thing going on with her, and I just don't think that's at all appealing.

Edited August 21, 2015 by IncognitoKiwoy

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

I also hated Rarity first season. I still don't like her, but she's much better than some of the other ponies, like apple pony and shy pony

[Merion 783]

I'm not a big fan of Pinkie Pie... she's just too annoying!

 

Also, there are many ponies I find visually pleasing, but I hate their personalities and/or voices. Like Rarity - she's just so pretty (I love her colour scheme!) but I just can't stand her attitude...

[user1342342 143]

I've grown to hate Twilight because she represents almost everything I could hate about a character. A spoiled little sow who's put above all else and given way more than she needs. Twilight's status is completely underserved, and the universal bias towards her success is just insulting.

[Goat-kun 2,530]

The thing is I’m too lazy to hate the likes of Snips and Snails or Diamond Tiaras and the like. These are but mere cogwheels that only exist to move that plot and they ain’t even interesting. Only when such characters bubble to the surface do they deserve my hatred. And that is why I dislike Flash Sentry. A lifeless piece of equipment should stay where it belongs.

 

On another appendage, there was that case of a Walking One-Dimensional Bleach Blonde Valley Girl Stereotype also known as Pacifica Northwest (Gravity Falls). It is a character many loved to hate because she was your typical mean rich alpha girl and now look at her. Though I have the utmost faith in MLP writers that they shall not manage to pull such a turn with Diamond Tiara. But don’t you worry! I’m sure Starlight Glimmer will become our next Lunamoon Shimmer (either that or Team Rocket).

 

So let’s see: I dislike Sentry for being a glorified princess accessory, Starlight Glimmer for being bland and unspectacular Tumblrite villain with a cheap name and an even cheaper Aria rip-off color scheme that managed to hog both two-parters, and that’s pretty much it. There are many other ponies whose personalities I disapprove of, but hating them because of that would be useless.

[Alphys Hedge 671]

The one I hate the most (and I really do mean HATE the most) would be rarity.

 

 

Now if you will excuse me, I must prepare for the hate *raises shield*

[Magic Rasin 180]

Snips, Snails, and Diamond Tiara. Screw 'em all.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Magic Rasin

[TomatoSprout 15]

The only pony I really dislike is Rainbow Dash- element of loyalty unless any opportunity to be disloyal arises.

 

But I'm also not a fan of Cheese Sandwich at all. He annoyed me so much.

[Carolina 212]

I'm not a fan of most of the popular background ponies, especially Dr. Whooves and Derpy. I don't HATE them really, but they do get on my nerves (or at least, the fandom's response to them).

 

I think Apple Bloom is incredibly annoying, too. I used to like her, but now her lack of development is just annoying. Actually, I like all of the CMC's much, much less than I used to. They just don't interest me anymore. Oh, and Babs: UGHHH! She's so annoying.

 

On the other side of the equation, I used to not like Rainbow Dash much, but she has grown on me a lot over the course of the most recent seasons. In fact, I like her a lot now.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Carolina

[backpon 321]

I don't like Diamond Tiara but I'm ok with Silver Spoon  maybe its because Silver Spoon is just a lackey.

[LHfunk 422]

I don't genuinely hate anypony, but I don't like Rarity. She's annoying. And fashiony.

[Wolfeus Silverpaw 301]

I don't really hate Applejack, but I don't like how she was so rude to Twilight in Winter Wrap Up. She made her cry!

[\/ 651]

The tiny annoying snotty things are most definitely to hate. Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.

Edited August 29, 2015 by \/

[cider float 2,539]

I don't hate any of the ponies in particular as they are essential to the story. But I do end up hating ponies because of the fans.

[Lunar Glow 677]

Snips and snails. But I really dislike Spike. He stole our sweet Rarity! 

[Streiben Bones 228]

I don't like RD for her ego.

I mean, all she does is flying around, in every episode.

And that makes her "cool". Alright then.

And Scootaloo for being a chicken.

Rarity for being such a b...for such a dramaqueen.

[BOW2URWAIFU. 60]

Apple jack. Because of RariJack shipping. I hate it!

That's no reason to hate my waifu.

[ShadOBabe 19,023]

I don't hate any characters in the show.

I either love them, or are indifferent to them.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,164]

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