spoiler Fears Confirmed- New Pony Problem

[CastletonSnob 3,074]

I'm considering not watching the premiere.

[Luminance 2,186]

I think that Flurry Heart will have weather controlling abilities. Her name does have "flurry" in it.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Do you actually like  the idea of an OP baby who just does whatever the story needs her to do?

 

That's a lot like Twilight, really. At least Flurry Heart won't be a main character.

 

That said, Flurry Heart turning into a plot device right out of the gate was downright inevitable and fully expected.   

[Zantetsuken 364]

I'm not speaking in absolutes yet. There are ways this can be salvaged. But historically, I have yet to see an OP baby plot go well.

 

You say you're not speaking in absolutes yet but the title that you gave this thread begs to differ

 

"fears CONFIRMED- New pony Problem" 

 

CONFIRMED- which in a thesaurus comes up as another way to say absolute in the way or something being real or existing or in this case something being true.

 

I can rule out almost every post you have made here as paranoid speculation. Nothing is confirmed here this is all speculation. If you really believe that there ways this story can be salvaged THEN MENTION IT! Discuss both the positives and negatives this is speculation it feels like your backpedaling here so if you really believe this story can be salvaged then discuss how it can be fixed and start calling this character by her actual name give her some respect! but if you are lieing to me just so save face then just come to terms with the fact that all your worries are found on little to no solid ground to stand on and this is not confirmation of anything.

 

I would be more inclined to believe what you say to me here if your other posts didn't paint such a different picture.

[Metemponychosis 1,258]

@@BalanceBrony, I'm hoping that the winter and the baby aren't as related as the teaser seems to indicate. To be fair, I don't think that Nightmare Moon could've punched those holes in the palace if she tried. Man I hate this overpowered bullshit. It's bad enough to me that the thing was born alicorn and looks like a deformed baby that would've made the spartans from 300 cry in terror before throwing it away. Now it has all that latent magic because "ALICORN", when adults, fully trained, can't even come close. Jesus Christ. This cartoon is trying to make me hate it. Just because it was done in a previous episode, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea!

 

I'm also hoping that Celestia and Luna aren't just blown away in the blizzard to be buried and forgotten for the duration of the episode.

 

At least Twilight seems surprised that the thing is an alicorn and we have to hear what they're going to say about it. Maybe Celestia goes on to explain something about alicorn lore that makes this whole crap more bearable. In the best case scenario, those wingas are going to fall off or something. Although I'm bracing for her to simply make some stupid joke about Luna destroying the house as a newborn or some bullshit like that...

 

There may yet be more to it than we know at the time, and while I'm going at it with very low expectations, I expect it to suck. But I have been surprised by this show in the past.

[Artimis Whooves 1,576]

@@VG_Addict, Good luck charlie introduced a new baby and that went pretty well

[Nuke87654 1,849]

While there are certainly justifiable reasons to fear the premiere, the Alicorn baby getting oped magic is similar to how a baby Unicorn magic will get sudden bursts of magic powers while they're infants. I'm just hoping that they don't forget that part of the episode and have some magic disarm spells in place that fails, or it's going to make them look like idiots for forgetting about it.

 

Also, I'm interested in Sunburst and how they're going characterize his relationship between himself and Starlight Glimmer. After all, we need an actual reason for why Starlight Glimmer turned against cutie marks and went extremist on the equality ideology, not what the finale showed to all of us.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Nuke87654

[BalanceBrony 259]

You say you're not speaking in absolutes yet but the title that you gave this thread begs to differ

 

"fears CONFIRMED- New pony Problem" 

 

CONFIRMED- which in a thesaurus comes up as another way to say absolute in the way or something being real or existing or in this case something being true.

 

I can rule out almost every post you have made here as paranoid speculation. Nothing is confirmed here this is all speculation. If you really believe that there ways this story can be salvaged THEN MENTION IT! Discuss both the positives and negatives this is speculation it feels like your backpedaling here so if you really believe this story can be salvaged then discuss how it can be fixed and start calling this character by her actual name give her some respect! but if you are lieing to me just so save face then just come to terms with the fact that all your worries are found on little to no solid ground to stand on and this is not confirmation of anything.

 

I would be more inclined to believe what you say to me here if your other posts didn't paint such a different picture.

My fears about her being OP were confirmed. She created a massive blizzard that even the other Princesses couldn't stop. If that isn't OP, I dunno what is.

 

As for how it can be salvaged, I did include it in the main post. Or at least I thought it did.

 

Also, how can you absolutely rule out my posts? While true that none of them is absolute except the OP one can be proven, there are ways and trends in storytelling, and over the history of fiction. Storytelling logic says that this can go certain ways, and several of them are horrible. OP baby is a bad step. Now that OP baby is confirmed, we can have the worst case, where she is nothing more than plot device. We can have an eh case where she just doesn't have  much screentime. An eh case where she's just annoying and doesn't do much. An eh case where she is actually a super villain (but this loses points for Mary Sue-ness). A good case where she has her powers robbed. A good case where it's a birth defect. Etc.

 

But the negative possibilities are so ghastly horrible, and are far more common than those other paths.

 

But storytelling mechanics and historical evidence are against this going well. While that isn't evidence, it is a valid point.

[Megas 27,555]

MY LITTLE PONY IS DOOOOMED 

 

[Ra1nbowCrasH 272]

I'll be curious how they handle the explanation for it. Will Celestia talk about how she remembers Luna's magic being out of control when she was a baby? It brings up an interesting question about alicorns, we've already see that baby unicorns have magic flares that they can somewhat control. Since alicorn magic> unicorn magic maybe the magic just becomes more uncontrollable? I really don't know. The only reason I'm still here is the fanfiction and fan art.

[Number62 1,258]

@@BalanceBrony, I'm hoping that the winter and the baby aren't as related as the teaser seems to indicate. To be fair, I don't think that Nightmare Moon could've punched those holes in the palace if she tried. Man I hate this overpowered bullshit. It's bad enough to me that the thing was born alicorn and looks like a deformed baby that would've made the spartans from 300 cry in terror before throwing it away. Now it has all that latent magic because "ALICORN", when adults, fully trained, can't even come close. Jesus Christ. This cartoon is trying to make me hate it. Just because it was done in a previous episode, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea!

 

I'm also hoping that Celestia and Luna aren't just blown away in the blizzard to be buried and forgotten for the duration of the episode.

 

At least Twilight seems surprised that the thing is an alicorn and we have to hear what they're going to say about it. Maybe Celestia goes on to explain something about alicorn lore that makes this whole crap more bearable. In the best case scenario, those wingas are going to fall off or something. Although I'm bracing for her to simply make some stupid joke about Luna destroying the house as a newborn or some bullshit like that...

 

There may yet be more to it than we know at the time, and while I'm going at it with very low expectations, I expect it to suck. But I have been surprised by this show in the past.

The alicorn sisters being helpless is the norm of the 2-parters, so I don't expect the upcoming one to be an exception. Even Cadance during her first appearance helped beat the big bad guy of the story, though it looks like she has also become useless.

 

If the upcoming episodes really make the non-Twilight alicorns underpowered, especially in the case of the sisters, then that's another reason the show should stick to slice-of-life because there's no way in hell the team could ever do high-stakes stories without making the relevant figures helpless.

 

EDIT: fixed some miswordings

Edited March 5, 2016 by Number107

[BalanceBrony 259]

The alicorn sisters being helpless is the norm of the 2-parters, so I don't expect the upcoming one to be an exception. Even Cadance during her first appearance helped beat the big bad guy of the story, though it looks like she has also become useless.

 

If the upcoming episodes really make the non-Twilight alicorns overpowered, especially in the case of the sisters, then that's another reason the show should stick to slice-of-life because there's no way in hell the team could ever do good high-stakes stories without making the relevant figures helpless.

But a baby being more powerful than them is cancerous.

[Luminance 2,186]

Seeing that the premier will open with Flurry heart, will also get an equally OP antagonist or perhaps even Flurry is the mane villain?

[Number62 1,258]

But a baby being more powerful than them is cancerous.

Yes, a ridiculously overpowered baby is bullshit, but I can't say I'm surprised this is the case given the show's track record. I'll wait until the actual episodes air for a more informed judgment, but I'm not expecting much to like.

[BalanceBrony 259]

Yes, a ridiculously overpowered baby is bullshit, but I can't say I'm surprised this is the case given the show's track record. I'll wait until the actual episodes air for a more informed judgment, but I'm not expecting much to like.

Hopefully Starlight steals all of her power.

[Number62 1,258]

Hopefully Starlight steals all of her power.

Would that be a good idea? Starlight already seems a tad overpowered herself since she matched Twilight in a fight without problem and potentially caused eternal doom to Equestria by mastering a spell that Star Swirl couldn't.

 

Actually, Twilight even mentions Star Swirl to be "the greatest wizard in Equestria" in the season 5 finale, so I really have to wonder how the alicorns stack up since they've hardly been featured/explained.

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

I'm not sure where the panic is coming from.

All I saw was a baby alicorn sneeze and blow a hole in the wall. Big deal. Baby ponies are known to have no control over their magic and alicorns have insanely powerful raw magical talent. So yeah, I'm cool with this so far. Even if I don't wind up liking the episode that much, I'll still enjoy Flurry Heart. I started up her first fanclub on DeviantArt for a reason. XD

[Metemponychosis 1,258]

 

 

The alicorn sisters being helpless is the norm of the 2-parters, so I don't expect the upcoming one to be an exception. Even Cadance during her first appearance helped beat the big bad guy of the story, though it looks like she has also become useless.

 If you'll agree with me that this is bad (or at least, lazy) writing, you'll forgive me for having hope. I've seen people complaining about this in english-speaking forums in the US, spanish forums, and even brazilian forums, where the fandom is borderline non-existent. They HAVE to know that people think this is bullshit, or at least over-used.

 

 

 

If the upcoming episodes really make the non-Twilight alicorns underpowered, especially in the case of the sisters, then that's another reason the show should stick to slice-of-life because there's no way in hell the team could ever do high-stakes stories without making the relevant figures helpless.

The problem is that in canon, alicorns aren't underpowered. By Celestia's own words in the diary and by her description in the official material. They are supposed to be more powerful. Specially Celestia and Luna that gain magic from messing with the sun and the moon. The problem is that the cartoon is as obnoxious as possible about this. Once again, because of lazy writing. It's easier to shove these characters off or worf them, than it is to give them a task to their abilities to keep them in the story, but still unable to directly solve the problem, giving way for the plot to happen.

[Justin_Case001 4,880]

Whelp, I'm soured.  I was soured as soon as we found out about the little brat.  I think that as soon as Twilight found out about this, she should have blasted Cadance into oblivion, stating, "it was for the good of the land."

[BalanceBrony 259]

Would that be a good idea? Starlight already seems a tad overpowered herself since she matched Twilight in a fight without problem and potentially caused eternal doom to Equestria by mastering a spell that Star Swirl couldn't.

 

Actually, Twilight even mentions Star Swirl to be "the greatest wizard in Equestria" in the season 5 finale, so I really have to wonder how the alicorns stack up since they've hardly been featured/explained.

In the S5 opener, she locked ponies' power in a vault. So she doesn't necessarily need to keep the power.

 

@@ShadOBabe,

But overpowered babies do bad things to stories historically.

[Chuckles4lyfe 441]

All this talk and drama about a 30 second teaser for the season premiere is nothing new to me. In fact, it feels like we've been down this road before. Actually, now that I think about all this worrying nonsense happens EVERY SINGLE TIME a new season starts up! I've just come to accept that this is normal behavior for any fandom and that it is only accentuated for MLP since it is the show that I am most passionate about.

 

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape over something like this in my opinion. I'm just happy that the wait for S6 is the shortest hiatus in FIM history (must be an Academy record or something  ). 

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Name ONE time adding a baby to a show has affected it positively.

Tenchi Muyo "oh baby" episode

[NeonCobalt 256]

All this talk and drama about a 30 second teaser for the season premiere is nothing new to me. In fact, it feels like we've been down this road before. Actually, now that I think about all this worrying nonsense happens EVERY SINGLE TIME a new season starts up! I've just come to accept that this is normal behavior for any fandom and that it is only accentuated for MLP since it is the show that I am most passionate about.

 

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape over something like this in my opinion. I'm just happy that the wait for S6 is the shortest hiatus in FIM history (must be an Academy record or something  ).

 

I wholeheartedly agree. This fandom jumps to conclusions way too often. It's honestly the only thing I dislike about the fandom.

[BalanceBrony 259]

I wholeheartedly agree. This fandom jumps to conclusions way too often. It's honestly the only thing I dislike about the fandom.

Poo- I mean Princess Flurry Heart sneezed up a freaking blizzard. That's not a good sign for storytelling.

[NeonCobalt 256]

Poo- I mean Princess Flurry Heart sneezed up a freaking blizzard. That's not a good sign for storytelling.

Her name is FLURRY Heart. Is it not at all possible that this could be her special talent? I'm sorry, I just don't see how we can judge this until we have seen the episode.