Annoying Anti-Americanism

[Steve Piranha 28,782]

On 5/26/2017 at 3:31 AM, Daring_Do said:

 

Care to clarify what you mean? If America's so bad, why do foreigners keep pouring in here? (Unless that's *why* it's bad now in your eyes.) America's one of the best places to live in the world, and frankly anyone who tries claiming otherwise must be awfully sheltered.

I also thing people over exaggerate why America is so bad, not helped that fellow americans do it and make USA sound worst  than it actually is. Trust me, I've been in some latin american countries, specially Bolivia (my parents were bolivians), and trust me, america's problems are crap compared to most of them. Not to mention the hypocrisy of Bolivia's criticism towards america while they live socialism decadency   

[Soma O))) 30]

11 hours ago, DayShadow said:

We are centuries away from humanity being united under a single flag. To much conflict exists between different people and cultures to even make a global union remotely viable. Its why countries exist to begin with. Not to say a united, global society is a bad idea for humanity as a whole just virtually impossible for now and the foreseeable future. 

I agree. For now, my idealistic approach is nonsensical. A pipe dream. But I feel that promoting said ideals may instill this dream in others, thus furthering my cause. 

As far as a global society goes, that's still a little small for me. I might look crazy for saying this but: in a universe as dynamic and large as our own, I find it seemingly impossible for humanity to be the only intelligent life. I dream of eons down the road when our little Podunk species becomes more than a type 0 or type 1 civilization. I'm talking post type 3. A universal culture shared and embraced by all life, intelligent or not. Where man and it's cohorts live in harmonious peace with the universe. For our intents and purposes here in earth, this means that we've learned to live with the land rather than on it. Where ecology and the humanities merge as a singular science. Where every living entity that is self aware knows it's dependencies and role within the universe.

This will take more time than one can possibly conceive of. But never say I don't dream.

[Eoe 10]

All the hatred directed towards the US Is certainly warranted, though (in fact, it is towards each and every former/present imperialist state). The US particularly has bullied and pushed around just as many countries as the former British and Ottoman empires had. Whether it's propping up banana republics, rushing to secure corporate interests (rather than public ones), or installing unstable governments, there is certainly a case to be anti-American and a reason to support it. There is nothing to support, or, to praise in modern America.

But that's just my 1-2. Until we get a gov that cares about the laborers and one that refuses to suppress workers (at home and abroad), then I see no reason to support such a system.

[heavens-champion 1,893]

On 5/31/2017 at 7:45 PM, Zipphy said:

All the hatred directed towards the US Is certainly warranted, though (in fact, it is towards each and every former/present imperialist state). The US particularly has bullied and pushed around just as many countries as the former British and Ottoman empires had. Whether it's propping up banana republics, rushing to secure corporate interests (rather than public ones), or installing unstable governments, there is certainly a case to be anti-American and a reason to support it. There is nothing to support, or, to praise in modern America.

But that's just my 1-2. Until we get a gov that cares about the laborers and one that refuses to suppress workers (at home and abroad), then I see no reason to support such a system.

Still doesn't excuse other countries for their own crimes.

[JonasDarkmane 19,777]

6 minutes ago, heavens-champion said:

Still doesn't excuse other countries for their own crimes.

If we talk about recent history, then no, people are not excusing crimes done by others countries. 

If we are talking about stuff like WW2, nobody in their right mind would continue holding Germany or the US hostage over warcrimes committed in that war. 

[heavens-champion 1,893]

2 minutes ago, JonasDarkmane said:

If we talk about recent history, then no, people are not excusing crimes done by others countries. 

If we are talking about stuff like WW2, nobody in their right mind would continue holding Germany or the US hostage over warcrimes committed in that war. 

That's true. May God have mercy on both sides for their sins during that war (like the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and especially the Holocaust)

[RavenholmZombie 1,329]

I'll always have a small passion for the U.S. because it's where I was born, raised, and continue to live. However, I do think that one problem we have is that a lot of us misinterpret proper critiques of our government's actions and behaviors of society as anti-Americanism.

America isn't the greatest nation on Earth, nor is it the worst. We have our share of issues here, just like every other nation. For example, we're falling further and further behind in quality of education, our infrastructure is getting worse with every passing year, we lack any form of universal healthcare, we invest too heavily into our military and don't treat our veterans with the respect they're entitled to, and have a serious issue with corporate infiltration of our government on both sides of the aisle. But, I wouldn't give up living here for anything because, why run away when you can stay and fix what's broken?

[Steve Piranha 28,782]

On 5/31/2017 at 8:45 PM, Zipphy said:

All the hatred directed towards the US Is certainly warranted, though (in fact, it is towards each and every former/present imperialist state). The US particularly has bullied and pushed around just as many countries as the former British and Ottoman empires had. Whether it's propping up banana republics, rushing to secure corporate interests (rather than public ones), or installing unstable governments, there is certainly a case to be anti-American and a reason to support it. There is nothing to support, or, to praise in modern America.

But that's just my 1-2. Until we get a gov that cares about the laborers and one that refuses to suppress workers (at home and abroad), then I see no reason to support such a system.

One big problem with it is: "If America does it: SHAME. Of another country does it: move one, nothing to see here"  .

8 hours ago, Lance Shield said:

. But, I wouldn't give up living here for anything because, why run away when you can stay and fix what's broken?

One good thing of America is: it has issues, but not to the point of being a lost cause. Unlike others and anti america among them, like Bolivia and, from I've been told: Venezuela

[Eoe 10]

11 hours ago, Steve Piranha said:

One big problem with it is: "If America does it: SHAME. Of another country does it: move one, nothing to see here"  .

Nah, we should be against any imperialist nation for the very same reasons. It's just, as an American, it's more useful to call my own country's fault.

[Steve Piranha 28,782]

2 hours ago, Zipphy said:

Nah, we should be against any imperialist nation for the very same reasons. It's just, as an American, it's more useful to call my own country's fault.

That may be true, and necessary to a point, otherwise we could become Batmanless Gothan or some other distopian hellhole. Still, don't criticize america because it's faults shame you, but to make america great again (that was on purpose )

[AlbaTross 1,581]

I think this should be moved to the Debate Pit but I'm not a moderator for this section.  I think the negative impression people have of the US is both true and false.  True, because the US has done some terrible things, has acted arrogantly in the past and has shown to be egotistical at times with a strong sense of entitlement.  This stuff greatly predates the current US "president", and I use the term loosely because he hasn't acted the part of a president.  Actually, if anything he's the quintessential sterotype of America that people hate, and maybe that's why he has a lot of supporters, because maybe they actually are those kinds of people.

But it's also false, because everywhere in the US I've actually been to (the states on the West Coast and Nevada) isn't like that.  The people there are the kind of people I can have an intelligent conversation with, and are actually polite and don't seem to be the egotistical pricks Americans are stereotyped to be.  Thanks to the Internet and Donald Trump somehow still having supporters even after his failed first 100 days in office, it seems the American stereotype actually exists, but that isn't reflective of all Americans.  Heck, my friend in Baltimore apologized after the US election results were revealed.

I'm guessing it has something to do with the US's history but it's like a lot of Americans are super paranoid of losing power, so they talk a big game and the US even makes life miserable for some people around the world to earn the respect of other nations...which probably makes sense to Americans as it sure doesn't make sense to anyone else.  Heck, they spend such an inordinate amount of money on defense and somehow support the current president spending even more, because feeding people's paranoia is somehow more important to them than funding education, health care or social services or any number of other things.  Ironically enough, the US created the terrorist problem it fears so much.  There's space for a conspiracy theory there somewhere.

[cmarston1 5,952]

Given the current administration, I can't say I blame anyone for being Anti American right now.

[Eoe 10]

22 hours ago, Steve Piranha said:

That may be true, and necessary to a point, otherwise we could become Batmanless Gothan or some other distopian hellhole. Still, don't criticize america because it's faults shame you, but to make america great again (that was on purpose )

America was never great. Nor will it be great under the current system.

[Steve Piranha 28,782]

19 hours ago, AlbaTross said:

 

But it's also false, because everywhere in the US I've actually been to (the states on the West Coast and Nevada) isn't like that.  The people there are the kind of people I can have an intelligent conversation with, and are actually polite and don't seem to be the egotistical pricks Americans are stereotyped to be.  Thanks to the Internet and Donald Trump somehow still having supporters even after his failed first 100 days in office, it seems the American stereotype actually exists, but that isn't reflective of all Americans.  Heck, my friend in Baltimore apologized after the US election results were revealed.

 

Ugh, you'd just had to remind me that . I've been subjected by this fear that all americans will abuse me and stuff because I'm hispanic. Ugh, everytime I was interacting with americans, what I had to deal with the least was that abuse. Not so much everytime I had to visit Bolivia  

[heavens-champion 1,893]

On 6/6/2017 at 0:36 PM, cmarston1 said:

Given the current administration, I can't say I blame anyone for being Anti American right now.

It's still bigotry.

[Oblivion 20,265]

I agree, everywhere I go I see especially British people online calling us horrible things especially over the guns rights issue....

[Rainbow Cloud 16,471]

7 hours ago, Blivy said:

I agree, everywhere I go I see especially British people online calling us horrible things especially over the guns rights issue....

There's quite a vocal minority who are like that here but they don't speak for all of us, many of them don't like Britain either. I like America and don't think you're horrible people.

[Oblivion 20,265]

5 minutes ago, Rainbow Cloud said:

There's quite a vocal minority who are like that here but they don't speak for all of us, many of them don't like Britain either. I like America and don't think you're horrible people.

Freaking THANK YOU!!! damn! 

[碇 シンジン 27,427]

I think the issue here that people confuse America with Americans I mean from my point of view America is pretty messed up place in many ways but Americans are generally just as good people as any other people.

People who are citizens of some country are not the country by themselves. 

[Here No Longer 5,270]

What annoys me much more is the intentionally divisive nature of this thread.

 

You're so annoyed by people with different view points than you so you're going to actively shame them like this. It's honestly people like the OP that I find annoying here.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Dustleeshus

[Splashee 28,537]

Last time i had an argument about how stupid America was, it was like the 90's. And I didn't even know what the country was all about.

 

Now with Internet, seeing how basically everyone I ever meet or know, come from America (U.S. in this case), I just find it very interesting how much people live there and how different they all are!

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,300]

To add to my old post, I will say I have become far more "anti-america" in the past few years. At this point, I cannot stand being called an "american" and seeing that flag being spammed literally EVERYWHERE as if that means anything at all. The individual states have their own flags, why can't we fly those? Oh yeah, because we all have to be lumped into the cancerous mass. I stand for state individuality, not this "america" nonsense. The states have their own culture, laws, flag, government, all of that, yet we are STILL referred to as "america" and "americans" at all times, I hate it. That's for many, MANY different reasons. The US overall being a dumpster fire in terms of government and culture is a big part of that. Donald Trump's presidency has been a dreadful eye-opener for me. A realization to just how pathetic the US is. It's been like that for a loooong time, but Trump was my wake-up call. That is the only great thing to come out of his presidency for me.

Of course, hardcore "patriots" will constantly scream about our "freedoms" yet they despise anyone that dares criticize the US. It is hilariously ironic.

[Olly 1,008]

you're not gonna like what comes after america. 

[heavens-champion 1,893]

On 2019-12-30 at 8:03 PM, Miss Kitty Cathy said:

What annoys me much more is the intentionally divisive nature of this thread.

 

You're so annoyed by people with different view points than you so you're going to actively shame them like this. It's honestly people like the OP that I find annoying here.

This has nothing to do with different viewpoints. This has everything to do with Americans being treated like horrible people.

[heavens-champion 1,893]

On 2019-12-30 at 9:25 PM, Kyoshi said:

To add to my old post, I will say I have become far more "anti-america" in the past few years. At this point, I cannot stand being called an "american" and seeing that flag being spammed literally EVERYWHERE as if that means anything at all. The individual states have their own flags, why can't we fly those? Oh yeah, because we all have to be lumped into the cancerous mass. I stand for state individuality, not this "america" nonsense. The states have their own culture, laws, flag, government, all of that, yet we are STILL referred to as "america" and "americans" at all times, I hate it. That's for many, MANY different reasons. The US overall being a dumpster fire in terms of government and culture is a big part of that. Donald Trump's presidency has been a dreadful eye-opener for me. A realization to just how pathetic the US is. It's been like that for a loooong time, but Trump was my wake-up call. That is the only great thing to come out of his presidency for me.

Of course, hardcore "patriots" will constantly scream about our "freedoms" yet they despise anyone that dares criticize the US. It is hilariously ironic.

So you're saying we should just be criticized by people who hate Americans?