(Poll) What do you think of Starlight Glimmer after Season 7?

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

What is your opinion of Starlight Glimmer after Season 7? Has it improved, or has it gotten worse?

 

I’m surprised no one made this poll yet, but maybe I’m really the only one who’s curious. I tried to make it as balanced as possible, but if you think there’s a question or option missing, let me know.

Edited February 16, 2018 by ShootingStar159

[Jade Fire 7,059]

as for your #7 on the poll im very sure she's going to be a friendship teacher cuz

Spoiler

it shows her as one of the friendship teachers with the other 6 in the season 8 animatic.

 

[Bloosume Harmeny 13]

Wait so glimmer will be a teacher next season? Is there a trailer for S8 out??

 

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

Just now, Bloosume Harmeny said:

Wait so glimmer will be a teacher next season? Is there a trailer for S8 out??

 

There’s  Season 8 animatic released a month or two ago

[Bloosume Harmeny 13]

Alright thank you! Its on youtube right?

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

5 minutes ago, Bloosume Harmeny said:

Alright thank you! Its on youtube right?

Here’s the thread 

And by then way, if you use the quote feature, the person you’re responding to gets a notification.

Edited November 20, 2017 by ShootingStar159

[MilkTea 284]

My opinion of her was pretty neutral. I knew she was there but I never really paid attention or gave her much thought. But when season 7 started, Starlight started getting better episodes (in my opinion), and I saw her character in a different light. There are moments when I feel like she might've been given too much of the spotlight, but overall I like her a lot better than I did previously  

[Tacodidra 61,544]

I love her, she's one of my favorite characters other than the Mane 6 (definitely in my top ten of MLP characters).

In season 5, I think she was a good villain character – I wouldn't consider that version of her likable but she fit that role well. I like the reformed Starlight a lot more, though. I've seen many complaints about her backstory, but I found it believable and relatable enough. At any rate, it was better than her being evil for the sake of being evil. Sure, one may question the Mane 6 immediately becoming friends with her after what she had done, but the same has happened in the show before to an extent (the Mane 6 and Discord and the CMCs with Babs Seed and Diamond Tiara were at least somewhat comparable).

I think she is a great addition to the show. Perhaps this is in part because I have always liked the variety in the show (with characters like the CMCs and Spike getting their spotlight episodes). In my opinion, Starlight's episodes are among the best in the last couple of seasons. Her friendship with Trixie is particularly interesting – I found "No Second Prances" one of the most touching episodes in the series. Their character chemistry is great, especially in "All Bottled Up", which is one of the most entertaining recent episodes.

[Drunkfrank 1,125]

The show has been getting more serious with it's plots lately and over arching stories. I don't think there being seven gems on the plant of harmony in Shadow Play was a coincidence. Starlight might become the 7th element which I will love but I am sure will create a huge divide.

I always liked Starlight. Now I love her.

[Dark Qiviut 22,527]

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1. What is your overall opinion on Starlight after Season 7?

Love her. Since she first arrived, she's been one of my favorite characters in the series.

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2. What was your opinion of Starlight after Season 5?

Same.

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3. What did you think of her backstory after Season 5?

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4. With what we’ve learned about her past and personality, what do you think of her backstory after Season 7?

Hasn't changed. It's fine. Honestly, the criticism and bashing of her backstory are really overblown.

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5. What is your opinion of Starlight’s episodes?

Mixed. Starlight's episodes, even when she's good, don't have a good track record on the whole. She's been in a few bad ones.

• No Second Prances: TS's characterization is horrible. Celestia's out of character. Starlight forced Big Mac to speak, even when he didn't want to, for the sake of a stupid "joke." But the worst part is Trixie implicated that she wanted nothing more to do in her world…and both Twilight and Starlight sat back and watched!
• Every Little Thing She Does: This episode continues to paint Starlight as a good guy…yet she continues to dive into habits that she should've stayed away from long ago. I don't know if ELTSD is inspired by Lesson Zero, but the parallel is there, except one key component. In LZ, Twilight Sparkle mentally collapsed from fear that she'll be demoted and created a friendship problem as a last resort. In ELTSH, SG hypnotized her friends with a clear conscience. This was her her first primary appearance since Tail and last before TW.
• To Where: This episode is reliant on trying to prove Starlight changed for the better, but her appearances were far and few in between, and DHX wrote her in when convenient despite plenty of room to plug her in the background as a non-speaking cameo. Her decision to go off with Trixie because she saw her as her bestest friend was OOC, because Trixie manipulated her in NSP (proving TS right), and both she and Twilight grew closer over the season. She didn't earn her role of being fully redeemed here, yet the episode wants her to be taken seriously. Combine that with terrible pacing and not explaining at all how the changelings captured everyone so easily (when it took Chrysalis's whole army to defeat the M6 in A Canterlot Wedding), this is among the worst written of the series.
• A Royal Problem: Starlight is great. Unfortunately, the Royal Sisters behave like millennia-old babies and were completely incapable of understanding how to prevent Luna's situation from ever happening again that witnessing Starlight's near-breakdown made them stop their fight.
• Infamous & Full of Shit: Out of every character in this "episode," she's the only one written quarter-way decently. Until both Uncommon Bond and especially Shadow Play, it was her best appearance as a protagonist.

Nevertheless, she has many really good roles.

• The Crystalling: Criminally underrated. Really does a good job working with her characterization and bond with Spike.
• Times: Secondary character, yet plays an important role in the story. When everyone freaked out by Thorax possibly being in the Empire, she's the first to call Cadance and Shining Armor out for being excessive.
• All Bottled Up: One of the most underrated episodes of the show (and the better half of S7's opening). This episode is ELTSD done much better. Starlight physically capped her angry magic out of fear of hurting Trixie and falling out again. Not the right solution, but you see where she's coming from.
• Rock Solid Friendship: One of the first to push her out of the role of being an Anti-Sue and giving her more positive qualities. Her kite flying gives her a passion, and both she and Maud were able to communicate on a deeper level than in previous episodes featuring Maud.
• Triple Threat: In Owl's Well Done Right, both she and Twilight try to help Spike keep Ember and Thorax apart.
• Uncommon Bond: This one delves Starlight in one of her more personal conflicts. As a filly, he was her only friend, and with them being apart for so long, she was eager to share quality time with him. But when he doesn't, it crushes her.
• Shadow Play: Her best appearance to date. Everything about her was written so excellently. Her initial role as Twilight's moral guide was very well done. When TS is embarrassed and ashamed by overlooking the release of the Pony of Shadows, she's there for support,. Weaving in the Map into the plot organically humanized the "good-vs.-evil" conflict.

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6. Has you’re opinion of her changed since she was added to the main cast?

Nope. I supported her becoming a part of the mane cast since the beginning. What she needs now is more communication between her and the ReMane Five. S7 wrote her as one of them far more successfully than S6, but more needs to be done.

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7. What do you think Starlight’s role will be in the future?

For the immediate future, sticking to be TS's pupil. She's come a whole long way (and both Shadow Play and S7 altogether show that), but she still has some growing up to do. In particular, don't go to magic as your immediate source for resolution, and think further of the consequences. Uncommon Bond hinted that out when both Sunburst and TS were creeped out by Starlight's temporary age-reversing spell.

18 minutes ago, Ryanmahaffe said:

Starlight might become the 7th element which I will love but I am sure will create a huge divide.

This I'm concerned with greatly. The show established from the beginning as having only six Elements of Harmony, and SP wove them in as successors of the Pillars' magical strengths. If you're going to plug in a seventh, it must make sense.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Dark Qiviut

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

16 minutes ago, Dark Qiviut said:

I don't know if ELTSD is inspired by Lesson Zero, but the parallel is there, except one key component. In LZ, Twilight Sparkle mentally collapsed from fear that she'll be demoted and created a friendship problem as a last resort. In ELTSH, SG hypnotized her friends with a clear conscience. This was her her first primary appearance since Tail and last before TW.

This was my only real problem with the episode, which I went into detail in another thread. I’ll just copy what I said here:

 

That's exactly my problem, we get no clue as to her motivations until way after she starts messing up. Look at Lesson Zero, the episode most compared to ELTSD. We know right away why Twilight is panicking, as silly as it is, and we spend most of the episode focused on her panic attack. Very little time is spent on Twilights mess up.

Now let’s look at ELTSD. We see Starlight’s panic attack, but get no inside look at why she’s panicking. The vast majority of the episode is focused on Starlight’s mistake instead of explaining why she’s resorting to magic. And the reason given at the end, that she’s afraid to disappoint anyone, is sugar coating her real fears and anxieties that have already been established earlier in the season. Starlight is terrified of rejection. When Twilight points out that Starlight hasn’t done any friendship lessons, Starlight starts to worry that Twilight is disappointed in her. And she worries that if Twilight is disappointed in her, she’ll give up on her entirely. So, looking to impress Twilight, she tries to do all of her friendship lessons at once.

So we end up with Twilight looking more sympathetic, even though her reason for brainwashing an entire town is silly, while Starlight, who has a real, psychological reason to panic, looks worse.

 

[Prospekt 11,028]

I thought Starlight was an interesting villain in S5. But I've come to like her more since her first few episodes as Twilight's student back in Season 6. She was a highlight of that season. I was hungry for more in S7 and she has continued to impress me as her writing has improved. ELTSD is Starlight's only post-reformation appearance that I don't really care for. I liked it the first time, and then the flaws became glaringly obvious with repeated viewings. It messes with her arc and belongs at the beginning of S6 rather than close to TWABA, which is supposed to be an episode that shows how much she has grown.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Prospekt

[Sparklefan1234 175,332]

Season 7 made me a fan of Starlight Glimmer. Hopefully, season 8 will continue to keep her on my "good" side. 

[Jade Fire 7,059]

1 hour ago, Ryanmahaffe said:

The show has been getting more serious with it's plots lately and over arching stories. I don't think there being seven gems on the plant of harmony in Shadow Play was a coincidence. Starlight might become the 7th element which I will love but I am sure will create a huge divide.

i dont think it would make too much of a divide if you've been paying attention to the show. i mean the 1st thing the friendship map ever did was call all 6 to starlight's town, (and it was basicly the only time it call all 6 till just this newest episode,) setting the whole chain of events in motion that led her to joining the 6, and even tho the map has a will of it's own and is powerful enough to fix the princesses cutie marks from ponyville when starlight couldn't even do it standing right there, it let starlight use it for time magic, destroying to spell after she learned her lesson. she's always had a strong connection to the elements when u think about it, and with there now being a 7th gem in the tree it would make since it was for her cuz she is basically already the tree chosen in many ways, it could even be argued that it let it's self be teleported by trixie's spell just to teach her how to handle her anger. Id be disappointed at this point with everything thats happened if that 7th gem isnt for her.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Jade Fire

[Ganondorf8 11,453]

For me, Starlight became a character that I could like and appreciate as a result of the events of Mirror Magic. It took me a while to reach that point as prior to it, I was neutral towards her and felt that she needed to go the extra mile by accomplishing something tremendous.

[cmarston1 5,962]

My opinions on Starlight Glimmer have changed quite a bit overtime.

Before the season 5 premiere I was looking forward to seeing how she would be portrayed as a villain, and when the episode came out, I thought she showed promise, but unlike other people, she wasn't my favorite FiM villain.  To tell you the truth I didn't think she or the Cutie Map were as great as others said they were.

Than came the season 5 finale, which I liked for the most part, until we got to Starlight's reformation.  I still hold my stance that it is the worst reformation to come out of the entire series.  It was incredibly rushed and her villain motivations were incredibly lackluster and disappointing given the potential she had to be a good antagonist.  Also that montage really did a number to hurt her in the eyes of many, even myself.

Season 6 came and that's when she was a bit hit or miss to me.  Plus her whole new shift in personality felt really jarring and like we were missing several episodes between the season 5 finale and season 6 premiere.  I really did enjoy how she was portrayed in episodes like No Second Prances (which I actually like) and the season finale.  But Every Little Thing She Does came around and only heightened my major issues with her reformation and how she never really faced any major consequences for her mind controlling ponies that are supposed to be her friends despite being a good guy now.  Plus with what she did to Big Mac in No Second Prances, this was the second time after being reformed that she used powerful magic to strip ponies of their free will.  That in turn only made me wish she was actually punished in the season 5 finale even more.

Season 7 was actually able to make me like her character.  She isn't one of my all time favorite characters in the show, but I now can say that I like her and don't mind seeing episodes focused on her.  Episodes like All Bottled Up and Rock Solid Friendship, and surprisingly even A Royal Problem (which I was worried given the synopsis making it sound like it would be another ELTSD) were able to warm me up to her.  That along with Uncommon Bond and the finale, meant that every episode of the season where she received a decent amount of focus were episodes that I thoroughly enjoyed, did a great job at making me look at her in a positive light.

I still dislike how her reformation was initially handled and especially wish that she had a better backstory, but I can say that I don't mind her anymore.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Jade Fire said:

i dont think it would make too much of a divide if you've been paying attention to the show. i mean the 1st thing the friendship map ever did was call all 6 to starlight's town, and it was basicly the only time it call all 6 till just this newest episode, and even tho the map has a will of it's own and is powerful enough to fix the princesses cutie marks from ponyville when starlight couldn't even do it standing right there, it let starlight use it for time magic, destroying to spell after she learned her lesson. i mean she's always had a strong connection to the elements when u think about it, and with there now being a 7th gem in the tree it would make since it was for her cuz she is basically already the tree chosen in many ways, i mean it could even be argued that it let it's self be teleported by trixie's spell just to teach her how to handle her anger.

Starlight haters are a loud bunch, despite all the builld up, they will still see it as coming out of nowhere and BS Mary sue blahblahblah

Starlight has done a good job earning that 7th element.

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

1 hour ago, Dark Qiviut said:

This I'm concerned with greatly. The show established from the beginning as having only six Elements of Harmony, and SP wove them in as successors of the Pillars' magical strengths. If you're going to plug in a seventh, it must make sense.

Yeah... maybe if people were still raising a stink about Sunset Shimmer’s out of nowhere element that still hasn’t been explained, (I wasn’t around when RR came out, but I assume people had a problem with that then) but since they got away with it for her, I imagine they aren’t too concerned about it with Starlight.

[Dark Qiviut 22,527]

Just now, ShootingStar159 said:

Yeah... maybe if people were still raising a stink about Sunset Shimmer’s out of nowhere element that still hasn’t been explained, (I wasn’t around when RR came out, but I assume people had a problem with that then) but since they got away with it for her, I imagine they aren’t too concerned about it with Starlight.

By the time Rainbow Rocks aired, the Elements of Harmony were already written out of the equation, so "ponying up" wasn't connected to the EoH anymore. Music was the only way to truly trigger it at the time.

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1 hour ago, Dark Qiviut said:

This I'm concerned with greatly. The show established from the beginning as having only six Elements of Harmony, and SP wove them in as successors of the Pillars' magical strengths. If you're going to plug in a seventh, it must make sense.

I am not, the tree isn't just the magic of the pillars, it is it's own entity and represents Harmony itself, it is basically an all powerful force that uses the tree (and the elements) as a conduit for it's power. It even crosses through dimensions like EQG. If it believed that in order for Harmony to be maintained there would need to be another element some day... it would do just that, create one. After all, it believed Celestia and Luna should be the first to use the 6 until the true bearers showed themselves.

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

1 minute ago, Dark Qiviut said:

By the time Rainbow Rocks aired, the Elements of Harmony were already written out of the equation, so "ponying up" wasn't connected to the EoH anymore. Music was the only way to truly trigger it at the time.

Is that your opinion, or is it what the show staff have said?

Because they only ponied up because of Twilight’s crown, the element of magic. There is absolutely at least a connection between the magic inside them and the elements, so assuming Sunset is a new element doesn’t seem that unlikely to me.

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8 minutes ago, Dark Qiviut said:

By the time Rainbow Rocks aired, the Elements of Harmony were already written out of the equation, so "ponying up" wasn't connected to the EoH anymore. Music was the only way to truly trigger it at the time.

Ponying up (ugh) wasn't connected to the Elements, but it was connected to Harmony itself. 

By the way when I say Harmony, I see it as basically the spirit of friendship/"the land" (as Meadowbrook says)

Edited November 20, 2017 by Ryanmahaffe

[Jeric 46,871]

The Path to Starlight Fandom Season 5

"Oh cool. So a villain with a twisted philosophy on friendship that got away. We get a cool recurring villain"

"I see you hiding at that table. Plotting."

"Bushes now. Oh hell this is going to be good!"

"Dayum Starlight is pretty freaking talented. Levitating flight! Can actually work a Starswirl spell."

"Oh here is the point that Twilight has to talk sense into her ... magic battle won't work."

"Um ... that's kinda a weak sauce reason to go all dark and twisty. Then again Sunburst just traded up from cool best friend to edumacation without so much as a TTFN. Lots of raw emotion and raw magic. This girl certainly needs some chiropractic friendship adjustment STAT!"

"Friendship song redemption. Maybe she can be the element of math ... cause equations ... wait ... equal ... Equestria ... ... equine ... I see what you did there show!"

Season 6 later.

11 minutes ago, Ryanmahaffe said:

Ponying up (ugh) wasn't connected to the Elements, but it was connected to Harmony itself. 

By the way when I say Harmony, I see it as basically the spirit of friendship/"the land" (as Meadowbrook says)

I suppose that's one interpretation. Not mine since they made a big deal out of how the magic in the human world doesn't follow the same rules. Basically, Johnny Five needs more input. 

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7 minutes ago, Jeric said:

The Path to Starlight Fandom Season 5

"Oh cool. So a villain with a twisted philosophy on friendship that got away. We get a cool recurring villain"

"I see you hiding at that table. Plotting."

"Bushes now. Oh hell this is going to be good!"

"Dayum Starlight is pretty freaking talented. Levitating flight! Can actually work a Starswirl spell."

"Oh here is the point that Twilight has to talk sense into her ... magic battle won't work."

"Um ... that's kinda a weak sauce reason to go all dark and twisty. Then again Sunburst just traded up from cool best friend to edumacation without so much as a TTFN. Lots of raw emotion and raw magic. This girl certainly needs some chiropractic friendship adjustment STAT!"

"Friendship song redemption. Maybe she can be the element of math ... cause equations ... wait ... equal ... Equestria ... ... equine ... I see what you did there show!"

Season 6 later.

I suppose that's one interpretation. Not mine since they made a big deal out of how the magic in the human world doesn't follow the same rules. Basically, Johnny Five needs more input. 

Well, I think by that they mean you can't levitate stuff or shoot magic because there is no "base magic" unless you are the main characters because they have been exposed to Equestrian magic in a unique way. I still think frienship magic works the same, and from what we have seen it does.

[Jade Fire 7,059]

2 hours ago, Dark Qiviut said:

I'm concerned with greatly. The show established from the beginning as having only six Elements of Harmony, and SP wove them in as successors of the Pillars' magical strengths. If you're going to plug in a seventh, it must make sense.

Im not concerned, and at this point it would make less since if she didnt become the 7th element, its what the show has been building towards a long time. I covered all of it in my other comment on this thread.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Jade Fire