Which came first?

[DeletedAcc 64]

In your opinion, which do you think came first? The chicken or the egg?

[Victoria and Co. 782]

The single-celled organism.

[Random User 249]

Considering dinosaurs came first, and dinosaurs laid eggs, I'll say egg.

[Sky 746]

Egg obviously because

1. Evolution

2. There was dinosaur eggs

[Tom 891]

Eggs, for the above poster's reasons.

[Lady Rarity Pony 4,892]

Neither. Nothing finite could have been first.

Edited June 24, 2012 by Lady Rarity Pony

[Queen Cassie 3,057]

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[Victoria and Co. 782]

Inquiry: By "egg" do you mean chicken eggs or eggs in general?

 

Also, dinosaur eggs were not the first eggs people.

[nonee 130]

Chicken must come from egg but that egg doesn't necessarily have to come from chicken.

[Vicke 3,189]

God was first silly ponies!

 

 

Wait... what is god?

[Shankveld 4,949]

I think people are misunderstanding the question.

By egg the asker means CHICKEN EGG.

The answer from both an evolutionism and creationism view point is chicken.

The chicken would have to have evolved into the chicken before being able to lay an egg. ~

[Strafe 594]

Ponies.

[Nas 2,873]

Edited June 24, 2012 by NASCARFAN160

[Tom 891]

The chicken would have to have evolved into the chicken before being able to lay an egg. ~

 

And mutations in DNA can only happen before birth, so therefore the first chicken would be born to another creature that was slightly different. So the egg from which these first chickens hatched came before any chickens did.

[Random User 249]

Also, dinosaur eggs were not the first eggs people.

 

True, but they're still old enough to come before chickens.

[Shankveld 4,949]

And mutations in DNA can only happen before birth, so therefore the first chicken would be born to another creature that was slightly different. So the egg from which these first chickens hatched came before any chickens did.

 

 

What's to say that the creature even laid eggs? Maybe laying eggs was the mutation. ~

[Ezio Auditore 702]

The scootaloo chicken

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-6676542.html

[AnonyPoni 564]

Ok, here is the real answer. It is the the egg.

 

 

It has to do with the way evolution and domestication work

 

 

You see, a long time ago, primitive humans found that they could eat the eggs birds laid. These humans probably would go out and grab all the eggs they could find and eat them all when they can. But at one point, a human must of figured out that if you waited long enough, a chick will come out of the egg. That chick will then grow up into a bird, and start lay more eggs.

 

This changed their mind set. Instead of eating all the eggs at once, they would save a few and let the birds grow up and lay more eggs for them (scientists believe they did this with Red Junglefowl, as they are suspected of being the ancestors of chickens). This is a great idea when you think about it. They don't need to go out and face the dangers of hunting and gathering, now they could have a very reliable source of eggs and meat on had when they needed it! These birds were now raised by humans instead of living in the wild.

 

As a result of this, Humans started to pick out which birds they liked, likely the biggest birds with the most meat and the ones with the highest egg yield would. They would save the eggs from those birds, raise them, then choose the eggs from the best birds again. Eventually (over hundreds, of not thousands of years of doing this), the birds started to change their appearance and traits to better suit the humans. That is because the ones that the Humans liked more got their genes passed on to the next generation. This raising an organism and genetic changing of those organisms to better suit human needs is called Domestication. Humans did it to wheat, corn, cows, pigs, all those farm animals and cereal crops, which also were created this way.

 

So what does this have to do with the chicken and the egg argument? Well, at some point, a domesticated bird very similar to a chicken, but not a chicken is going to lay an egg. That egg, thanks to centuries of domestication, has DNA that codes for the traits that will eventually lead to it growing into a bird that a scientist can classify a chicken.

 

So the egg came first, as it was laid by a similar domesticated bird that was not, scientifically, a chicken.

 

 

 

I wasn't trying to be a know it all, I just wanted you ponies to see how it happened. Thank you for listening

Edited June 24, 2012 by AnonyZiod

[Whiteshade 1,426]

My opinion came first.

[AnonyPoni 564]

The scootaloo chicken

http://www.cbsnews.c...62-6676542.html

 

And this explanation doesn't work. Their logic makes no sense. They are treating it as though a modern chicken magically appeared from nowhere (the creationist theory) OR a random random creature somehow gave birth to offspring that accidentally became a chicken, and the trait for egg formation magically appeared in it.

 

(There are other reasons why, too, but I feel lazy and will let you find them)

 

The domestication explanation make infinitely more sense.

 

You can't trust news networks all the time, especially when it comes to scientific studies. Every other week, another study comes out that says alcohol is good for you, sugar is poison, and every stranger you meet is going to kill you, when it is clear that it is not!

 

 

News networks say some stupid things sometimes. Do you remember what Fox said about Bronies? (near the end of this clip). I still am upset about it (but as a brony, I will tolerate it)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqEDIFfy4Yg

 

 

I am not trying to insult you, the article does make some good points. I'm just saying that you need to be careful on what you see in the news often

[Evilshy 5,090]

Anony's got it. The egg came first, because in order for a chicken to exist, it would have to evolve from something that was extremely close to being a chicken, but not close enough to actually be a chicken. At some point, it would lay an egg with some small mutation that would make it a chicken.

 

It really depends on where you draw the line and say "okay, this is how genetically far something can be from being a chicken, and still be a chicken."

[Radiance64 7,053]

Eeyup, the Scootaloo obviously came first.

[Starshine 16,333]

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And apparently having a potentially serious yet fun discussion is a game. Who could guess.

 

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A simpler explanation for those who still think egg came earlier than chicken egg

 

 

 

Let us take a creature, we will call it creature A. Creature A had a pair of very strong wings, beautiful feathers, and able to fly for a long time. When Creature A decided to make babies with her husband, something wrong is happening. A very tiny mutation happened when her eggs took form inside her, making her children's wings slightly weaker. But still, her children was strong enough to soar with their parents.

 

We will call A's children as A(1), because their overall traits mutated one step away from A

 

But everyone who finished High School knows mutation, whether tiny or disastrously huge, happens in every generation. It might not be noticeable, but it's there.

 

A(1) gave birth to another creature, and so forth. Every generation, the number changes, sometimes it increases one step away from the original A, sometimes it took one step closer. Random mutation.

 

Eventually we will have A(499) laid an egg that will hatched to A(500). This A(500) was actually quite different from the original A. shorter beak, weaker wings, but it breed much faster and able to digest thicker seeds.

 

Because of all of these difference, we were forced to say that A(500) couldn't be an A. It must be something damn different.

 

It's a Scootaloo

 

A(500) came to this world as an egg first from A(499)'s ass, which could still be considered as an A.

 

The first chicken was born from something that still resembles it's ancestor. The egg got here first

 

 

 

[AnonyPoni 564]

Anony's got it. The egg came first, because in order for a chicken to exist, it would have to evolve from something that was extremely close to being a chicken, but not close enough to actually be a chicken. At some point, it would lay an egg with some small mutation that would make it a chicken.

 

It really depends on where you draw the line and say "okay, this is how genetically far something can be from being a chicken, and still be a chicken."

 

 

Thank you. I was afraid that I accidentally started a forum war

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

What's to say that the creature even laid eggs? Maybe laying eggs was the mutation. ~

 

That would be quite startling!

 

"Ouch! What the heck did I just do? Oh crap! I never made one of THOSE before! What is that thing? maybe I should sit on it for a while and see what happens!"