Why I am a Anti-Brony

[Rainbow Dash Loyalty 1,275]

I totally agree with everyone here, MLD was a sad and dramatic story for sure, but because I didn't cry it doesn't mean I hated it or I thought it was bad, everyone has their own opinion and you have to respect that. And I didn't even mind Derpy's new voice, everyone overreacted and whinged and it got annoying.

 

I agree with the 'love and tolerance' subject as well, I rarely see anyone that actually do love and tolerate and 99% of the time it's just mostly said out loud and troll.

[Bronium 512]

@,

 

Nerdfighter?

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

Really, I don't like to give myself any term that has a clear definition in a person's mind. I mean, I call myself a nerd because it's so varied. No one can give you a character just by that term. But brony and anti-brony has some significant connotations (some which as bad and some which are good) that I don't want to associate with me, simply because it's not true.

 

So I don't call myself anything.

 

I agree, MLD is horribly over rated, and most people I talk to find it over rated. Actually, I've only met one friend so said it made him cry. But he was also going through some stuff (which was nothing, but you know teenagers) so that might have affecting him.

 

Another thing about the Derpy Dilemma is that , for me, it wasn't about Derpy being on the show. I mean, I wasn't part of Derpy's creation, so I wasn't heavily invested into the Derpy character. I mean, she's an okay character, really. What ticked me off was that people would try and censor that. I mean, why? Even if it is offensive, what does it matter to you? Just don't watch the show or watch that episode. It's a matter of principle really.

 

But I do agree about the over the top bronies. I mean, I love talking about MLP, don't get me wrong, but please don't interject it into everything we talk about. And yes, I was like this in my first few weeks as a brony, but that's a given, isn't it?

 

When you say older, I presume you mean those who like the previous generations. I don't find too many of them in my age group, so I won't judge.

[Arcanel 3,041]

I think I've been writing with you on some posts about this...and if you really got tired, I apologize. Not really my intention . But anyway, here's my thought.

 

I think you my good sir, put words in a more generalizing way that you THINK they actually are. Which is why most of us tend to interpret and even prejudge when you write things like this. The term anti-brony seems a little bit different that you what you are. And you aren't one. Trust me, if you were, your thoughts would probably be much more negative towards bronies than you have now. And that and, like many others said, you're mature enough to realize this kind of things and actually worry about them. That alone shows some characer and maturity from your part.

 

Also, MAYBE you are speaking a bit too much negatively. Because honestly, how many of us can say which is the true majority of the bronies when a ) we are very big in community numbers, b ) this kind of topics has now become so common you don't really know which is right c ) many bias over personal experiences and d ) most of all this is internet based, not to mention, then incalculable amount of closet bronies there truly is. So honestly, you can't really know for sure.

 

Onto the Derpy thing, I respect your concern. That's about as much as I need to say. It's like a parent worrying over the future of their children, not because they think it's bad, but because they think their kids will suffer for those who and are actual horrible people, and I can totally respect that. Although, the main problem is two things. One, Derpy gained enough fans to make herself stand against the mane 6, so to speak, and two, Hasbro didn't exactly let people know WHY did they made the change, and this impatience came in. The fact that over zealots on both sides took the first plunge didn't help the matter either.

 

The MLD topic has become more troubling than I thought it was. I did enjoy the fic, I did think it was good, but under no circumstances do I choose it as the most saddest thing I've ever read. I've been reading for while now on the Internet, and I've seen much worse things happen. But it did get to me. However, there's a problem that MLD was almost as one of those "First" things. I think it was done when the brony community wasn't even big yet. Since the fic was one of the first that tried to approach the human insert fic, but with a father/daughter relationship developing, and it was touching enough for many, it kind of set the stone there. Like, how many people think Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarrist ever and in 35-40 something years, enough good guitarists have come to take that throne down (like say, Joe Satriani, Jason Becker, Eddie Van Halen, John Petrucci, etc, and even THEN it's difficult because each is good in the type of music they make). The thing about innovators (or at least I think MLD was innovative), is that normally they become legends in the sense that nobody forgets them. And as such, many tend to idolize them. That's the problem in my opinion. As well as the fic dealing with a subject many could relate somehow. Hell, maybe even the fact it's a oneshot also gave it more initial interest. Who knows.

 

The Love and Tolerance thing you know my thoughts on it so yeah, you know my thoughts . We need a reset button for that. And reshape it so that it will be more unified and better for the future .

 

And to be honest, as much as I'd like to make a corrrect comment on the other topics...I honestly can't, because I haven't even seen them for myself, and I'd really like to have a good loom at stuff like that before making an opinion that could be prejudging. I don't intend to make myself a prejudgemental bastard on this type of things. Nuh-uh. Not a chance. Let alone on the rape thing. So I really can't know for sure. But I hope I at least put enough of my two cents here .

[SBaby 660]

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm kind of a critic when it comes to FiM. I'm the sort of person that looks at FiM in very different ways from most of the fanbase. I make fun of the show all the time, and I do criticize even some of the more popular episodes. Read some of the comments I post on youtube for examples of this.

 

I still love the series, but I'm a firm believer that true fans can acknowledge a show's flaws while still enjoying it for its merits. It just so happens that in FiM's case, its merits usually outweigh the flaws.

 

But here's the thing. I've never once thought since I got started here, that things have gotten bad on this site. I've seen other message boards where things have gotten so bad that the member-base of the whole board left. But honestly, I haven't really seen anything even remotely like that here. I don't think that's going to happen to this site, because despite me being a critic of FiM, this site is so cheery and happy that I don't think even Professor Coldheart himself could make it a sad and depressing place.

 

So I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'm sure that things will be better before long.

Edited September 25, 2012 by SBaby

[Samurshy 708]

ok i'll try to keep this short and avoid rambling to much, i also have to other thing i would like to get of my hairy chest

 

ok lets get started

I am a Anti-Brony!! and now i sit here and watch as you get all confused "if you a anti-brony why are you here?" my answer would be i have every right to be on this forum but that would be me being an ass hole so the truth is...

 

i'm not the kind of Anti-brony that you would usually think of, i like the show, i like talking about it and i like bronies based on a individual bases. I'm against the idea that we all have to conform to the popular opinions of the fanbase and those who don't are looked down upon and branded hater or troll or fake bronies or what ever it called now.

 

now for a little history lesson

I discovered MLP around October and started calling my self a brony around November i then started to get into the community and some bronies highly recommended My Little Dashie to me calling it the greatest / saddest story ever so when i read it and discovered it was average/bad i decided to point out this fact. this was then followed by people say that if i didn't like/cry though it i was not a 'true brony' then i went else where to talk about and not only was i called a troll but they though i hadn't even read the fan fic then i was dog piled to the point i had to do a full review of the fan fic in detail to prove it.

 

next was before/ around the derpy dilemma, as some of you may know i found the beginning of the last round up offensive and did email a complaint (and i'm sure i wasn't the only brony to do so) so when it was removed to be edited i was revealed, then i saw all the panic over it then it was change and there was backlash so i tried to calm people down and stated why it was offensive and explained why i complained, which was stupid of me because i became a big red target.... didn't end well

 

and that's when i packed it n and refused to call my self a brony anymore and did hang out with hater and anti-bronie's who actually started to make sense (kinda) most of them do attack anyone who just watches the show so i stop hanging out with them and lurked and began to notice something.

 

Love and Tolerance had become a joke and nothing more then people saying " it may appear like i'm paying attention to you but your opinion mean nothing to me" its a shield just like when jerk pull out the word politically correct to defend themselves when people point out the jerks.

 

also i have a problem with the older Broines mostly nowdays because they seem to think that there superior to the newer bronies and even have the gaul to blame them for basterdising that it mean to be a brony when the truth is its there fault and there not some kind of i figure that every one should strive to be there jerks who just want to feel superior.

 

ok i'm gonna stop my self now and make my main point before i start ranting about princess molestia something that need to stop dead

the whole "yeah i was a brony during the 4chan war so i know more then all you newfags who just need to stop ruining it for us" need to stop the "hey you opinion i somewhat negative to the brory ideal i'm just gona get some friend and dog pile you then end with a love and tolorate to show that i don't give a fuck about you, your nothing" needs to stop and the "omg did you rely send an email complain about derpy in the last round up, you must be some hater / troll ban him from the forum" rely needs to fucking stop, it all need to stop. we need to hit some kind of reset button on this shit because yeah its not a bid deal and i have to work to point this out because as the fandom grow so does this and then Bronies will end up a carbon copy of almost every other fandom.

and that's pretty much it now i can put the link to this on my signature so people will stop asking

 

now for some bonus stuff

 

 

ok can we stop complaining about people leaving. people leave get over it i know its harsh but it the truth, they leave and you will likely still be in contact with them so its rely no harm also we have more fun people joining the forums then leaving so be happy and start welcoming them.

 

also can we stop the whole troll leaving thing, it not funny and it over used to the point of annoyance, and if i was able to report people for it i would because it tke the emotion away from when people actually leave, its a dick move cut it out.

 

 

 

also i would like to talk about the Max Veers/ Brony rapist thing (go look it up if you want the details). and i'll admit i jumped the gun because well rape is a serious thing and should never be a fucking joke its one of the most increased crimes of the past decade and some of the rapeist don't get punished due to a lack of genuine evidence so they get off scott free and the victim continues to suffer.

 

now i did allot of looking around about all this and i can find evidence that show whether he's innocent or guilty so we cant cast judgment and start threatening him nor and we judge people for defending there friend, however they are scum bags for how they have gone about it all so yeah innocent until proven guilty but hes still a cunt.

 

I understand where you are coming from I honestly do. But I don't call myself a brony because I am trying to conform to anything. I am not like "I don't fit in anywhere else, might as well try my hand at the brony community". I honestly only call myself a brony because A. I am a male, and B. I watch my little pony friendship is magic and enjoy it irony-free. I see a lot of bronies that anger me. But then again I see a lot of other random people that anger me also. Mitt Romney. So what is the difference between random people who make me angry and bronies that make me angry? Am I supposed to care more because these people share the same interest in a tv show that I do? I think not. There are trolls and haters EVERYWHERE, not just in the brony community, and some of them don't even know that they are trolling. Literrally some trolls think that what they are doing is somehow justified or something, and thus they do not view it as trolling.

 

Honestly for me "brony" is not a title that I give myself to give me some certain power over others or something. "Brony" is a label I put on myself so others around me know that I watch MLP: FIM and actually enjoy it. Is that in a way kinda pompous? "oh that guy is strutting around calling himself a brony, look at that badass. Hope he doesn't love and tolerate me with some friendship". Sure it can be a bit pompous at times, but I don't do it for others. I do it for myself. Because I love the show, and I want to express it in anyway I can. I like to view it like this. If I woke up one day and I was the last one left on earth ( My biggest fear by the way), and MLP had been ended for quite some time. I would still walk around wearing MLP merch, I would still watch every season on DVD in my lair that I had constructed out of tons of electronics looted from near by stores. I would still call myself a brony, because I would still love MLP.

 

Well, I hope some of you can take something from my wall of text. Hopefully it was not too confusing. And as always thank you for hearing me out.

~Bronynonymous

[NinjaCPU 270]

Oh wow, very long worded out responses for a simple post on why "You are a anti-brony." With you're opinion on why you are a anti-brony can be argued, but I honestly don't disagree with what you say(or just don't know much of it for that matter). Some of the community is a bit...off, but that comes with any type of community. You'll have people who are more extreme than others. You'll have people said "YOU CAN ONLY BE A BRONY IF YOU KNOW ALL THE BACKGROUND PONIES!" or "MY LITTLE DASHIE IS THE SADDEST THING EVAR!11!1!1! IF YOU DON'T CRY, YOU DON'T HAVE A SOUL!!" You got to take it with a grain of salt and look at the other bronies/pegasister who agreed with you or just respect your opinion and don't get into some type of argument. Same with any other community always tried to take the good and ignore the extreme.

 

You're not a anti-brony. You're a male viewer who watches My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. That is only the requirements needed to be a brony. An anti-brony would be one who hates the show for what it stands for, the fans, etc. You obviously do like the show, but have complaints with part of the fandom/show itself. You are a brony. It's like saying you're white, but you're black , because some black people offend you. You really can't have both ways. You're either like the show and are a brony or you hate the show and you're anti-brony/hater.

 

All in all, just enjoy the show. That's all you can really do. If you really don't like the community, but still like the show. Than watch it and forget about the other people. You shouldn't let something trivial as stubborn people get to you from enjoying the show. I hope you all have a great evening wherever you live.

 

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@, I feel like every time I make a long winded post. You seem to be involve somehow. Just something I noticed just now.

Edited September 25, 2012 by NinjaCPU

[Samurshy 708]

Oh wow, very long worded out responses for a simple post on why "You are a anti-brony." With you're opinion on why you are a anti-brony can be argued, but I honestly don't disagree with what you say(or just don't know much of it for that matter). Some of the community is a bit...off, but that comes with any type of community. You'll have people who are more extreme than others. You'll have people said "YOU CAN ONLY BE A BRONY IF YOU KNOW ALL THE BACKGROUND PONIES!" or "MY LITTLE DASHIE IS THE SADDEST THING EVAR!11!1!1! IF YOU DON'T CRY, YOU DON'T HAVE A SOUL!!" You got to take it with a grain of salt and look at the other bronies/pegasister who agreed with you or just respect your opinion and don't get into some type of argument. Same with any other community always tried to take the good and ignore the extreme.

 

You're not a anti-brony. You're a male viewer who watches My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. That is only the requirements needed to be a brony. An anti-brony would be one who hates the show for what it stands for, the fans, etc. You obviously do like the show, but have complaints with part of the fandom/show itself. You are a brony. It's like saying you're white, but you're black , because some black people offend you. You really can't have both ways. You're either like the show and are a brony or you hate the show and you're anti-brony/hater.

 

All in all, just enjoy the show. That's all you can really do. If you really don't like the community, but still like the show. Than watch it and forget about the other people. You shouldn't let something trivial as stubborn people get to you from enjoying the show. I hope you all have a great evening wherever you live.

 

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@, I feel like every time I make a long winded post. You seem to be involve somehow. Just something I noticed just now.

 

Well it always seems that I never post in the beginning posts when it comes to threads like these, I always end up posting a few pages in. It seems like every time I post on something like this you also post on this, which I think can just be chalked up as "all great minds think alike".

[Steel Matt 250]

I agree with you fully. I'm honestly drifting away from the brony community now... it really isnt the same as it used to be... It really isnt...

 

Well, perhaps it is just a time issue. You see, when something is new and exciting, we all tend to see the good side of it in every aspect. But, after awhile, we begin to discover different sides to any community. However, it doesn't mean it has changed...it just means you've been exposed to different elements of the community over time. There are still some great folks (in fact, I would say the majority are great folks) to hang out with etc. In any situation in life, you just have to pick and choose, and use proper discernment.

[K3WRO 79]

Ok , I agree with this, I feel this way too.

 

The 20% cooler joke, Love and tolerate, they say it all the time, It's like a Chuck Norris joke, it's not even funny in the first place.

People only slap ponies into their crap to gain attention. I know some artist and musicians who left for this reason.

And My Little Dashie, People would throw their shits at me when I say "I don't like it" same with Friendship is witchcraft which is more popular than the original show.

 

No offence, but I've seen a-lot of morons in the brony community recently, "counter Trollers" and butthurt commenters, what has happened to the good of this world? Is the Brony fandom becoming the new furry fandom?

 

Some of my friends hate bronies, and some hate my little pony in general, but I never seen them go "LOL UR A BRONY? G0 2 HELL U F@CKING FAG" They were shocked but they are decent enough to live with it. Besides, I don't want to be friends with crazy homophobes.

 

You get +1 cool point for expressing your wholesome opinion, but you lose a cool point because you contributed with the change of Derpy.

I didn't flip out about it, I was just disappointed and thought the edit was ugly and unnecessary.

 

Peace!

[Night Shine 767]

EDIT: i had some long speech about why we can't give up faith in the community, but then I read http://mlpforums.com/topic/33926-if-harmony-means-something-to-you-please-read-thisand-help/#entry795813 and decided to change my response to this.

 

I'm sorry you feel this way about our friendship. I hope you either see something that rekundles your faith in it, or you find something else to make you happy.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Night Shine

[PonyEcho 1,610]

 

 

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my issue is with the fact that people within the community are being just plain mean with there attempt to gain some form of superior high ground and that newer fans try to copy this to fit in and feel apart of the community, and then they get the blame for things like 'love and tolerance' has been bastardised. and this is ignored and as this community grows this will too.

 

the reason i use Anti-Brony is that i'm anti the brony ideal that people seem to be following, like you have to be devoted to it all or your not welcomed. unless you find a better name for me that the one i'll be using.

 

also most Anti-Bronys i know have no problem with the show and don't hate what it stands for, just Bronies.

[Arcanel 3,041]

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my issue is with the fact that people within the community are being just plain mean with there attempt to gain some form of superior high ground and that newer fans try to copy this to fit in and feel apart of the community, and then they get the blame for things like 'love and tolerance' has been bastardised. and this is ignored and as this community grows this will too.

 

the reason i use Anti-Brony is that i'm anti the brony ideal that people seem to be following, like you have to be devoted to it all or your not welcomed. unless you find a better name for me that the one i'll be using.

 

also most Anti-Bronys i know have no problem with the show and don't hate what it stands for, just Bronies.

 

Well, our community is big, and since it keeps growing, both the good things and bad things will grow, iike anything any community/society. But I don't see that the bad things will outgrow the good things, rather the other way around, as it has been so far. Again, the trick is, like I said in my other comment, to not see the bronies in a sort of "saint" light, because that's what causes people to think we're supposed to be perfect. I'm pretty sure you'll find many like you, except for their respective fandoms. This is what we should always consider. Besides, we ALL want that to stop, whether we see it is there, or not, whether we have seen it or not, and whether we it exists or not. Unless you want bad things to happen, we all want stuff like the things you mentioned to stop. I guess maybe what we could do is to make people more aware of it, which is rather difficult in big communities, especially like ours, because the idea of "smile and sunshine" MIGHT be way too installed in our minds, but I really don't know. For now, we seem to be doing fine. I know I shouldn't speak for the people who have had bad experiences with bronies, like you, but I honestly can't come up with a good way to, well, reduce the bad things. Stopping them is out of the question because, that's not going to happen. The bad things will ALWAYS be there. All we can do is reduce it.

 

As for being an anti-brony, tell me this. You like the show, you like what it stands for, and you don't mind the people of the fandom itself, as opposite to the word brony and it's general representation. However...maybe you are a brony. The only difference being that you take need to take the word brony as a label rather than making you have to be of a certain personality. I know this is the thing you don't like and why you consider yourself an anti-brony. But while others may have a more general definition of the word brony, you have your own, and you can use it. What do YOU think being a brony is? Because if you meet the...er...let's call "requierements" to being a brony on your own accord, then that makes you a brony by default. As you may have seen, the word "brony" has different meanings for different people. Maybe there is an aception that is more generally agreed upon, but it doesn't necessarily make it the correct one, now does it? Unelss we ALL as community have decided on a general aception, then that's how I see it at least.

[NinjaCPU 270]

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Captain American Swag. 'Nuff said.

 

You'll have those kind of people who think they are superior for knowing more of the show. Who have watched the show several times in their free time and know every detail/dialogue. They'll think they are superior. That is said of ANY type of community. You'll have people who look up at them for knowing it all. So they want to fit in the group. That's just human nature. Is it nice? Probably not, since they'll usually a bit aggressive on those newbies which than seems to have an endless cycle those newbies will become the same as them. I've seen this on the wrestling community as well. They actually hate on you for signing up at a certain and called them 2011s/2012s and usually hate on you for no particular reason (least in my community I've seen.). As said before, take it all with a grain of salt.

 

Though you CAN'T call yourself a anti-brony. There is a logic equation I used for this situation. One's belief - One's actions = If less than or equal to zero, a hypocrite. The definition of a anti-brony would a person who hates my little pony: FIM and the fanbase itself. That is a different requirement altogether. You might hate the fanbase, but you don't hate the show. Thus, the equation is less than zero and you'll be deem a hypocrite. The same could be said for the anti-brony who hate the community, but are apathetic to the show. They can't have it both ways.

 

However, if you think you need a new term. There can be one created right now. A person who still has some to fundamental values of a brony, but not all of all them in which they are some of the opposite can be consider a different type of brony. A brony who doesn't like the community as a whole, only certain bronies. Just call yourself a Neo-brony.

[Hazardus_Havard. 479]

That was a bit difficult to read all that there, felt like you just typed as you went without thinking of how it would be read as run off sentences and all, but that's just me nitpicking right there.

 

The message still got through though and I agree, some people can be extremely idiotic to the point that it's just embarrassing to be around them or call yourself to being part of that particular group.

 

Yeah, there will be subjects that may pop up that people don't agree on such as the Derpy topic but people are still able to have opinions themselves whether people like it or not.

 

As for myself? I really like the show, it drew me in once I realized that although targeted to a younger female audience it appealed to me as an entertaining show greatly. The community to me is a bit over-drama in certain areas but I tend to ignore spastic, childish people as such and continue on somewhere else. The music, fan art and animations, stories, just everything to me is very fun in a great way so I'm happy to stick around for a while so long as it doesn't conflict with anything important, which I find highly doubtful it ever will.

[Samurshy 708]

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my issue is with the fact that people within the community are being just plain mean with there attempt to gain some form of superior high ground and that newer fans try to copy this to fit in and feel apart of the community, and then they get the blame for things like 'love and tolerance' has been bastardised. and this is ignored and as this community grows this will too.

 

the reason i use Anti-Brony is that i'm anti the brony ideal that people seem to be following, like you have to be devoted to it all or your not welcomed. unless you find a better name for me that the one i'll be using.

 

also most Anti-Bronys i know have no problem with the show and don't hate what it stands for, just Bronies.

 

As I have said in my massive wall of text. You will find jerks like that all over the place. Why do you worry yourself with the fact that there are people like that, who also enjoy a show you do? It makes no sense to me. Of course you are going to find people who don't agree with you, or you don't agree with. The fandom is HUGE. If you worry about jerks who share the same fandamoniam as you, you might as well worry about every jerk in the entire world. Whatever, I had hoped you read my wall of text. But you did not comment on it so I will just stop myself.

[AnonBrony 1,468]

Hmph.

 

I Can agree with you on certain levels. Yes this fandom has their idiots and crap. Yeah i don't like certain people of this fandom. People who say you ahve to like certain crap, and do certain crap, and be a certain age. Whatever. U get the idea. But inspite of those certain aspects of this fandom, i aint leaving it anytime soon. You shouldn't be against the fandom as a Whole though, i don't like certain things of the fandom, but i'm not against the whole damn thing just cuz of 'em.

 

It really comes down to what defines a Brony. What defines if you are in this fandom.

 

And to me, Everyone here is Brony. Even you. You can call yourself whatever you want, Brony, Pegasister, Non-Brony, Aniti- nuetral, Just a fan, whatever. I don't care. You still a Brony in my eyes.

 

A Brony is a fan of the show. Mostly out of demographic, but hey, some kids call 'emselves Bronys. I'm cool with that.

 

Now i aint leaving this fandom anytime soon. Even if its has its undesirable things. Even if there are idiots who start up flame wars, spam random crap, and people who bullshit "Love and Tolerance", think this is some religion, force you to do crap. Whatever. Despite that i aint going no where. Wana know why?

 

Cuz despite the idiots of the fandom, many people here, are amazing, genuine, great, loving people. I have met many awesome people, experienced many awesome things, and even got introduced to the show, by this Fandom. I have seen the true fandom, all the Great talented people. the loving people who were willing to lend a hand to anyone, the people who just love the show and wana have fun, the True Brony Fandom, and how great it really is.

I'm not denyin' that there are the "bad" people of this fandom, but i aint gonna let that over shadow the Actually "good" Bronies.

Hell, 90% of this forum are great, amazing, talented people. And i aint gonna let go of this true cumunity, all the talent and fun, the Fan work and Fan Art, and all of the amazing Blowing-Your-Mind-Away awesomeness that comes with it, not just cuz of some the bullshit crap that happens in it. I am never leaving this amazing fandom, and i am never gonna be against it either, not by a longshot.

 

I am Forever a Brony. Aint nothing gonna change that.

And that is The Truth.

 

I shouldn't really be labeling these people as good or bad anyway, it was just easier for me to explain it that way. We are all Bronys, we all love the show. You can call Yourself an Anti-Brony if you really feel you must, (even if its is contradicting), i just wanted to say what i was thinking.

[thor9356 540]

I don't feel like posting a long response to this so I will try to keep it short and sweet. PonyEcho I greatly respect your opinion and you are correct about how some bronies like to act better than others and also use the asinine excuse called Love and Tolerance which they are doing wrong lol. You are also correct that it is constantly overused and should be reset to something more accurate than vague. Any who the derpy issue wasn't a problem for me but everybody has different ways of seeing it and you did what you believed should've been done while doing it in a respectful manner (wish I could give you more brohoofs on that). As for MLD I don't think that was the saddest fic I've read. If anything I think it could've been improved by dividing it up into chapters while adding more dialog and building up tension to the climax. Anyways that's my two cents.

[Hazardus_Havard. 479]

Hmph.

 

I Can agree with you on certain levels. Yes this fandom has their idiots and crap. Yeah i don't like certain people of this fandom. People who say you ahve to like certain crap, and do certain crap, and be a certain age. Whatever. U get the idea. But inspite of those certain aspects of this fandom, i aint leaving it anytime soon. You shouldn't be against the fandom as a Whole though, i don't like certain things of the fandom, but i'm not against the whole damn thing just cuz of 'em.

 

It really comes down to what defines a Brony. What defines if you are in this fandom.

 

And to me, Everyone here is Brony. Even you. You can call yourself whatever you want, Brony, Pegasister, Non-Brony, Aniti- nuetral, Just a fan, whatever. I don't care. You still a Brony in my eyes.

 

A Brony is a fan of the show. Mostly out of demographic, but hey, some kids call 'emselves Bronys. I'm cool with that.

 

Now i aint leaving this fandom anytime soon. Even if its has its undesirable things. Even if there are idiots who start up flame wars, spam random crap, and people who bullshit "Love and Tolerance", think this is some religion, force you to do crap. Whatever. Despite that i aint going no where. Wana know why?

 

Cuz despite the idiots of the fandom, many people here, are amazing, genuine, great, loving people. I have met many awesome people, experienced many awesome things, and even got introduced to the show, by this Fandom. I have seen the true fandom, all the Great talented people. the loving people who were willing to lend a hand to anyone, the people who just love the show and wana have fun, the True Brony Fandom, and how great it really is.

I'm not denyin' that there are the "bad" people of this fandom, but i aint gonna let that over shadow the Actually "good" Bronies.

Hell, 90% of this forum are great, amazing, talented people. And i aint gonna let go of this true cumunity, all the talent and fun, the Fan work and Fan Art, and all of the amazing Blowing-Your-Mind-Away awesomeness that comes with it, not just cuz of some the bullshit crap that happens in it. I am never leaving this amazing fandom, and i am never gonna be against it either, not by a longshot.

 

I am Forever a Brony. Aint nothing gonna change that.

And that is The Truth.

 

I shouldn't really be labeling these people as good or bad anyway, it was just easier for me to explain it that way. We are all Bronys, we all love the show. You can call Yourself an Anti-Brony if you really feel you must, (even if its is contradicting), i just wanted to say what i was thinking.

 

I completely agree with your assessment of the MLP community, Brony's, 100%. There ARE going to be people that just don't agree with you and can either be whining spastic little kids about it or just get along as a whole. And yeah, there are going to be places that people cannot tolerate for different reasons. Heck, I from time to time write NSFW stories but that's just for mostly my entertainment and anyone else that reads it.

 

So yeah; agree, disagree, tolerate, whatever. Bottom line, it's a fandom of a show in the end that everyone here loves to watch and enjoy, why not at least try to get along?

[InfinityWhale 771]

 

Can you name specific people? Can you name a large enough portion of people to overcome the good people in the fandom? Because unless you can give me numbers, significant to overcome all the really cool people in this fandom, you have no evidence, and there is nothing to support your argument. This is statistics. As the fandom grows, the variety of people will, until you get some jerks and some n00bs, but you cannot yet support that the good outweighs the bad, nor that it ever will.

[PonyEcho 1,610]

As I have said in my massive wall of text. You will find jerks like that all over the place. Why do you worry yourself with the fact that there are people like that, who also enjoy a show you do? It makes no sense to me. Of course you are going to find people who don't agree with you, or you don't agree with. The fandom is HUGE. If you worry about jerks who share the same fandamoniam as you, you might as well worry about every jerk in the entire world. Whatever, I had hoped you read my wall of text. But you did not comment on it so I will just stop myself.

 

the reason i mad a deal of it with in the this community is because i have not seen anyone else even talk about it, not once. other communities i.e. gamers are aware that some of the people in it are cunts that show no respect and treat newer game like some kind of barbarian horde at the gate, just like the fighting game community are aware the there is a level of sexism and sexual harassment behavior there and are trying to take that out ( to most peoples dislike) the fact is there mentioned

[InfinityWhale 771]

the reason i mad a deal of it with in the this community is because i have not seen anyone else even talk about it, not once. other communities i.e. gamers are aware that some of the people in it are cunts that show no respect and treat newer game like some kind of barbarian horde at the gate, just like the fighting game community are aware the there is a level of sexism and sexual harassment behavior there and are trying to take that out ( to most peoples dislike) the fact is there mentioned

 

In what universe do you dwell in? Everyone is perfectly willing to address the problems you have outlined. Heck, your own thread disproves the point. But, they are just not big enough to deal with most of the time. Just be a good example and be a cool brony, and everyone will follow suit.

[Friendship_Cannon 1,676]

ok i'll try to keep this short and avoid rambling to much, i also have to other thing i would like to get of my hairy chest

 

ok lets get started

I am a Anti-Brony!! and now i sit here and watch as you get all confused "if you a anti-brony why are you here?" my answer would be i have every right to be on this forum but that would be me being an ass hole so the truth is...

 

i'm not the kind of Anti-brony that you would usually think of, i like the show, i like talking about it and i like bronies based on a individual bases. I'm against the idea that we all have to conform to the popular opinions of the fanbase and those who don't are looked down upon and branded hater or troll or fake bronies or what ever it called now.

 

now for a little history lesson

I discovered MLP around October and started calling my self a brony around November i then started to get into the community and some bronies highly recommended My Little Dashie to me calling it the greatest / saddest story ever so when i read it and discovered it was average/bad i decided to point out this fact. this was then followed by people say that if i didn't like/cry though it i was not a 'true brony' then i went else where to talk about and not only was i called a troll but they though i hadn't even read the fan fic then i was dog piled to the point i had to do a full review of the fan fic in detail to prove it.

 

next was before/ around the derpy dilemma, as some of you may know i found the beginning of the last round up offensive and did email a complaint (and i'm sure i wasn't the only brony to do so) so when it was removed to be edited i was revealed, then i saw all the panic over it then it was change and there was backlash so i tried to calm people down and stated why it was offensive and explained why i complained, which was stupid of me because i became a big red target.... didn't end well

 

and that's when i packed it n and refused to call my self a brony anymore and did hang out with hater and anti-bronie's who actually started to make sense (kinda) most of them do attack anyone who just watches the show so i stop hanging out with them and lurked and began to notice something.

 

Love and Tolerance had become a joke and nothing more then people saying " it may appear like i'm paying attention to you but your opinion mean nothing to me" its a shield just like when jerk pull out the word politically correct to defend themselves when people point out the jerks.

 

also i have a problem with the older Broines mostly nowdays because they seem to think that there superior to the newer bronies and even have the gaul to blame them for basterdising that it mean to be a brony when the truth is its there fault and there not some kind of i figure that every one should strive to be there jerks who just want to feel superior.

 

ok i'm gonna stop my self now and make my main point before i start ranting about princess molestia something that need to stop dead

the whole "yeah i was a brony during the 4chan war so i know more then all you newfags who just need to stop ruining it for us" need to stop the "hey you opinion i somewhat negative to the brory ideal i'm just gona get some friend and dog pile you then end with a love and tolorate to show that i don't give a fuck about you, your nothing" needs to stop and the "omg did you rely send an email complain about derpy in the last round up, you must be some hater / troll ban him from the forum" rely needs to fucking stop, it all need to stop. we need to hit some kind of reset button on this shit because yeah its not a bid deal and i have to work to point this out because as the fandom grow so does this and then Bronies will end up a carbon copy of almost every other fandom.

and that's pretty much it now i can put the link to this on my signature so people will stop asking

 

now for some bonus stuff

 

 

ok can we stop complaining about people leaving. people leave get over it i know its harsh but it the truth, they leave and you will likely still be in contact with them so its rely no harm also we have more fun people joining the forums then leaving so be happy and start welcoming them.

 

also can we stop the whole troll leaving thing, it not funny and it over used to the point of annoyance, and if i was able to report people for it i would because it tke the emotion away from when people actually leave, its a dick move cut it out.

 

 

 

also i would like to talk about the Max Veers/ Brony rapist thing (go look it up if you want the details). and i'll admit i jumped the gun because well rape is a serious thing and should never be a fucking joke its one of the most increased crimes of the past decade and some of the rapeist don't get punished due to a lack of genuine evidence so they get off scott free and the victim continues to suffer.

 

now i did allot of looking around about all this and i can find evidence that show whether he's innocent or guilty so we cant cast judgment and start threatening him nor and we judge people for defending there friend, however they are scum bags for how they have gone about it all so yeah innocent until proven guilty but hes still a cunt.

 

boy, you´ve been through some hard times since you began to call yourself a brony, and I can understand most of your arguments....

 

But maybe, and please, don´t generalize all the bad things. There are 100.000s of us, and everyone has his own sight on things. I guess you didn´t expect everybrony you met to be like: love, respect, accept everyone, and in such a large community that isn´t possible (I guess). But to stay cool, to respond calmly and to keep searching for the type of bronys you agree with in all of your points is something that will take its time. And it will work, I´m quite sure.

 

So, please, don´t give up on us. Only because the few stupid people (like insulting you for not liking my little Dashie) are the loudest, and they are always, that doesn´t mean that there isn´t quite a big base of "normal" people like you and me

 

I got to know enough bronys here on the forums to be sure about that, but all I can do is to plead you to not avoid from the brony community...

[Dark Qiviut 22,401]

 

My response to this:

 

Regarding the Derpy situation, I've basically ranted against the change several times in the past. Some of them are consolidated in this post from my early days in this forum, and I still stick by it. So I will no longer comment about it any further.

 

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As for "love and tolerance," I've seen some people take the phrase out of context. It originated from 4Chan as a way to countertroll the trolls. However, now that the fandom is no longer confined into 4Chan, it's now spun to become a bigger factor in life and fandom. It's not a main theme of the show, but more of a product for most of the core fandom. Now, do some people take it out of context? Yes. But most of the fandom does truly use it to help progress in life in some fashion.

 

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Now, with My Little Dashie, I've seen people recommend it or vice-versa, and the bronies' responses were completely opposite of your scenarios. The reason why MLD is popular and well-liked are:

 

1. The story carries a very personal feeling to many people, because the circumstance of someone's "pet" being taken away is something that happens a lot. Pets are a lot like children, because the "owners" and animals have a deep, close bond. Losing them in any manner is absolutely heartbreaking. And in MLD, the narrator (who grew to be a more confident person and father) and RD grew a powerful, loving relationship.

 

And then to have the bond stripped from you? Who WOULDN'T be heartbroken!?

 

 

2. The format is written in first-person perspective akin to a diary. These are all considered crucial moments in their relationship. The format and perspective makes the story more personal to the viewer.

 

Now it doesn't mean it's without flaws. The fanfic definitely hasn't aged that gracefully due to its lack of polish and large timeline gaps. But the impact, moments, format, words, and close relation/experience viewers have with the narrator and tandem still makes the story as powerful then as it is today.

 

When they don't care to read it (and if they do, don't care for it), I haven't seen such a huge confrontation over it.

 

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And now, for all the reasons you give above, you therefore call yourself an "anti-brony." For this, I'm not going to be cute here.

 

Your reasoning for it is flawed at least and ridiculous at best.

 

A brony is of the following:

• A brony is a fan of the show.

• In addition, a brony converses to and/or contributes to the fandom and show in any positive way he or she can. This means participating in MLP:FIM forums, Websites, discussions, meetups, or showcasing any kind of artwork such as fanfiction, cosplaying, fanart, customs, plushies, and so on.

You fit into both perfectly. You love the show and you're involved in this fandom.

 

You don't need to have a very popular, unpopular, well-informed, or poorly informed opinion to be or not be a brony (or be this so-called "anti-brony"). Take it from me, for example. I'm a Sonic fan who didn't conform to the general ideals of the fans of the Classic Sonic Era (from 1991 to 1998), one that is considered to be the peak of the franchise and fandom. Hell, I even wrote a whole essay supporting the post-Classic Era. However, just because I don't conform to most of the "basic" Classic Sonic fandom politics doesn't make me any less a fan of both the franchise and the fandom nor does it mean I have to give myself an extra haphazard label to constantly stand myself out amongst the rest of the fandom. I'm still a Sonic fan nonetheless.

 

This example applies to you: You may not follow every single so-called "popular" ideal, but you ARE a brony. You're a fan of the show, and you try to get involved in the fandom. You're kidding yourself if you say otherwise. And giving yourself another label to make yourself stand out amongst the tens of thousands of "other" bronies is elitist and, quite frankly, doesn't make look you any less pretentious than some of the overzealous members of the fandom you supposedly confronted with.

 

And this is the main flaw in your argument and your "anti-brony" conclusion. Every single fandom has a huge group of positive contributors as well as its fools. My two main fandoms, Digimon and Sonic, have them. Hell, the latter fandom has so many subfandoms and debates that your head will spin.

 

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has that, too. They have the overzealous members, and they also have some sub-divisions. Some of the more overzealous crew will mellow out and realize how silly they look; some of them will use their zeal more wisely; others may prance to another fandom to play with. I see them, too, and I won't lie that it gets annoying.

 

But like what AnonBrony said, I'm a brony, and I will not leave this fandom. There are too many great people out there who greatly contribute to the community. All this fandom contributions like customs, songs, plushies, charities, fanfic, and fanart is only making the community grow. Do we have our differences? Certainly. But for the most part, we're very closely knit and supportive.

 

Some of the reasons we see such a passionate fandom as this one are as follows:

• This show really is one of the best out there. There's a lot of crap on TV nowadays, and this one is a major breath of fresh air. It's hailed as one of the greatest family-friendly animations because it develops the characters, worldbuilds excellently, has great writing, and gives the medium (Adobe Flash) the respect it finally deserves.

• The staff WANTS us to dig deep into the show, because they put in so many hidden references and techniques for the viewers to break down and build on. Someone broke down the main walk cycle in "Smile, Smile Smile." Another broke down the hidden message behind Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark design. All of these helps break down the messages of the shows more and, in fact, helps the fandom (and staff) appreciate the show more.

• There's a close relationship between the bronies and staff. Quite often, the fandom and staff don't see eye to eye due to culture/language barriers or because the staff tends to focus on "doing their own thing" (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse). But when they have a close relationship, it can get really close. The brony/staff fandom relationship is the closest I've ever seen by a mile.

   

  Hell, look up Tara Strong's story surrounding Kiki's battle with brain cancer; the bronies have been continually donating money to help Kiki battle and beat her disease.

• To be brief (and to reiterate), the show is just great. When a show is that great, you're going to get those passionate fans. Some of them may go too far, but they still have that passion (and justified reason behind it).

You've only experienced a subset of the fandom. There are so many great things the fandom offers. They're only going to offer it even more because Season 3 is approaching, and the community is only going to get bigger. You only saw a piece of it, and you're unfortunately not giving them the chance by stereotyping them as a group full of them and giving yourself that ridiculous "anti-brony" coverup.

 

This leads to my one-line suggestion — Ditch the so-called "anti-brony" label and give the fandom more of a chance.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Dark Qiviut

[InfinityWhale 771]

 

You just summed up my thoughts on the conversation succintly and intelligently. Prolly one of the better posts I have ever seen on this site.

 

/end thread.

[Princess_Molestia 1,460]

I just dislike the word brony, the root word, bro is even worse, unless you are my brother, you don't call me bro

I am not nervous about my enjoyment of MLP, I use my blind bag ponies as tokens in card games, some positive responses, some mildly negative (nothing insulting towards me, though not so much anymore, I had a really bad temper).