Is season 3 destined to ruin Pinkie Pie's reputation?

[Motion Spark 7,807]

Not to the fandom. It's clear that the fandom creates their own content and many base their beliefs of the show in fan-made material, like fics, arts, animations or music. For example, characters like Bon Bon or Octavia hasn't even spoken yet and we all have a popular idea of how their personalities may be, because of the fan-made content.

 

So I asked this question to you, based in the show only... Let me elaborate better...

 

We all know that Pinkie is the hyper, happy, party monster character of the show, but on season 3 I've seen Pinkie Pie fracturing the thin line of being hyperactive and fun to being idiotic and characterless.

 

Since season premiere, I noticed Pinkie being like this, and this disconfort me, because she's not like the Pinkie that I used to love. I felt her crazy antics and jokes to being forced, and totally unfunny, It felt nothing like the effortless funny Pinkie that I saw on season 1 and 2. 

 

Then came out "Too many Pinkies", a Pinkie Pie episode. I felt her being SOOO reckless, she usualy is, but she's wise at the same time even if she doesn't make sense, like in "Feeling Pinkie Keen" or "Green isn't your color", because she knew the consecuences of making copies of herself, did she even thought of what if she was about to do to get rid of these clones? Also, I felt the clones to be really stupid, and since the clones are exactly like her, therefore she's stupid too. Rewatch the clones parts if you don't believe me and see the reactions of Ponyville's villagers, they really hated her XD. The episode was fun though, very WTF for her 4th wall breaking abilities, but she usually do that.

 

And now, in this episode of the CMC, Pinkie Pie RUINED THE WHOLE EPISODE, even if her lines were very brief and not important in the slightliest, she still had a HUGE impact on me and it impress me how IDIOT she was on that episode, her lines didn't make sense, not in WTF way but in a really STUPID way, her behaviour, her voice, her STUPID puns. 

I don't even want to slap her, I want to slap the person who wrote that episode and did that to Pinkie. Anyways, I'm not confortable of what I'm seeing of Pinkie Pie in this season, and I hope to see things getting in place with her, even if she makes cameos during episodes.

 

I didn't expected this to feel like rant LOL. But I'm curious, what do you think of this?

[Loriem 639]

So i am not the only one who hated too Many Pinkie Pie's? YES!

 

Anyway, i think you might be on to something, but we are still early in the season, so we will see how this goes.

[Motion Spark 7,807]

So i am not the only one who hated too Many Pinkie Pie's? YES!

 

Anyway, i think you might be on to something, but we are still early in the season, so we will see how this goes.

I didn't hate the episodes, but it wasn't one of my best either. And this is a speculation thread, that's why I made the question, if she continue like this, I'll make Applejack to take her place in my fav ponies list.

[Lost Profile 644]

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First off... Get your facts strate... Bon Bon has had a few lines...

 

Second... I'm discussed, pinky is a hyper party animal... And the pony that is the friendliest around...

 

Pinky dosnt get good feed back from most pre bronies, I was like that once...

But now that Iv been a brony for some time, I respect and like pinky pie...

 

And that's something that you obviously don't have

[Motion Spark 7,807]

First off... Get your facts strate... Bon Bon has had a few lines...

What I meant is, can you make a conclusion of Bon Bon's personality with her lines? I'm sure the answer is no.

 

Second... I'm discussed, pinky is a hyper party animal... And the pony that is the friendliest around... Pinky dosnt get good feed back from most pre bronies, I was like that once... But now that Iv been a brony for some time, I respect and like pinky pie... And that's something that you obviously don't have

Pinkie, is my 3rd favorite pony and it gets me mad, to see her like this. 

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Um, it was pretty clear that the clones were one dimensional copies of Pinkie without the character depth that makes her interesting. Hence none if the clones having existential crises, becoming depressed, or having the willpower to pass the paint test. As for the CMC episode she got around 1 minute of screen time and was used for comic relief as per usual with her.

 

I personally don't see any problems so far and I'm sure we'll have some great moments with her later this season.

[WildCard 1,037]

I didn't like "Too many Pinkie Pies" because the whole episode seemed a bit stupid to me(I usually don't like those cartoons that rely on their silly and slapstick humor like f.e. Spongebob), but Pinkies Flugelhorn part in episode 1+2 was awesome in my opinion (Her jester outfit looked sooo adorable :3).

Her part in the CMC episode is questionable: I liked it because I love puns but I agree that Pinkie seemed "different" and weird, like she was on drugs or alcohol(giggling all the time, not making sense, not caring about anything that happened)

Edited November 28, 2012 by Wildcard

[YesIAmTori 285]

Pinkie Pie is my second favourite pony and some of my friends even say I act like her sometimes (always laughing, making puns, trying to cheer everyone up) so I would hate for that to happen to her but it seems that it's inevitable.

[Sequinox 48]

I'm not too keen on how much more eccentric they are making Pinkie Pie.  I did like leaf pun in the latest episode, but the scene before that just reminded me of the creators trying too hard to make her that crazy, random character (almost similar to GIR from Invader Zim).

 

Too many Pinkies was a total overdose for me. 

 

I did like her in the premiere episodes though.  I thought her jokes were funny, even if they were taking her usual character a bit out of context.

[Batbrony 16,056]

The first paragraph is a post that I made in a similar thread yesterday, but the point remains the same:

 

I gotta say, I would not like to see Pinkie Pie get any crazier or random than she, or her clones, did in "Too Many Pinkie Pies". Random characters can easily get ruined when their randomness is taken to too extreme and ridiculous levels; the best example that comes to mind for me is Patrick Star, who has become absolutely ruined in the latter seasons of Spongebob, if I'm not mistaken. That said, I don't think that Pinkie will be any more random, because the actions of the episode made it quite clear that the Pinkie clones were significantly more mentally unbalanced than Pinkie has ever been, and hence more random in their behavior than she has ever been or ever will be; thus, I don't think the folks at Studio B are going to make the mistake of making Pinkie's behavior this season any crazier or more random than it's already been.

 

Now, as for the latest episode, I'll give you that the joke was extraordinarily random and made no sense, even by Pinkie's standards. However, I don't think this is indicative of the direction Studio B is taking Pinkie in.  Honestly, I think they needed to kill 30 seconds to a minute with padding, and Andrea Libman was probably available, so they figured, hey, let's have a short Pinkie joke.  Did it make much sense?  No.  Was it stupid?  Yes, I'd say it was.  Did I find it amusing?  I actually did, and really enjoyed the joke, even if it was uncharacteristic.  But again, I think that this is not indicative at all of the direction they'll be taking Pinkie; however, I can see how, after an episode like "Too Many Pinkie Pies," you'd be brought to that conclusion.

 

Nevertheless, I think a couple of points should dispel of your fears.  First, what did everypony think after "Lesson Zero" last season, before any other episodes showed?  I myself wasn't watching the show at that point, but I imagine that at least some bronies were probably worried that Twilight was going to keep being depicted as some crazed bookworm, at least for a week or so, after that episode premiered, just as you have worries about how Pinkie Pie will be depicted after "Too Many Pinkie Pies".  But that didn't happen; Twilight still has crazy moments every once in awhile, but she's never repeated a breakdown like she had in "Lesson Zero". Similarly, I don't think that Pinkie will often repeat the behavior she exhibited in "Too Many Pinkie Pies," despite the exception to that rule that the writers decided to make this last week for a short scene that, I still say, was probably just padding.  And if you need any more evidence, just look at how she behaved in "Crystal Empire" Parts 1 and 2.  I don't know about you, but I for one thought that Pinkie was behaving pretty normally; random, yes, but she still made some valuable contributions to the groups efforts, especially when putting on the Crystal Fair.

 

I hope this helps answer your question Motion Spark, and hopefully dispel of some of your fears that Pinkie is going to be ruined this season.  Granted, I cannot say with any certainty what direction Studio B is going to take with her character, but I think that, based on their track record, we have nothing to worry about! 

Edited November 28, 2012 by Batbrony

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,696]

I for one would like to see Pinkie's more serious and sensitive side revisited, as glimpses of it are all too rare since Season 1. I don't have a beef with how she's been portrayed since then, I just think they could be doing more with her.

[Marceline 187]

You know, I think the main point of "Too Many Pinkie Pies" might have been to poke fun at the previous generations and what pony-haters think of the show.  Allow me to explain.

 

The earliest generations of MLP weren't really bad.  They were made in the 80's based on plastic pony toys.  I think they did a pretty decent job.  But generation 3 is probably one of the more well-known (at least more thought-of) generations when it comes to MLP for anyone who doesn't know anything about the show.  Like you hear many bronies say today, they were reluctant to watch the show, due to the overly-girly-stereotype ideas coming into their minds.

 

So anyone who doesn't know anything about the show is probably thinking of G3, which, as I had mentioned, is fueled by female gender stereotype; pinkness everywhere, girly-girly stuff, tea parties, cheesy over-done voice acting, "having fun," etc.  Of course that's going to push a LOT of people away from MLP:FiM.

 

Now let's take a look at the events in Too Many Pinkie Pies.  Pinkie really cares about her friends, and she doesn't wanna have to choose between them when they're doing different things at different times (I know that feel).  So she duplicates herself, not knowing that her duplications actually won't be exactly like her; they're made of her "fun" side.  So they are very one-dimensional.  Kind of like the ponies in G3.

 

So all those "fun" Pinkies get out of control and cause trouble, you see that the only true Pinkie is actually sad and worried.  She has character.  Pinkie Pie isn't actually all about "fun fun fun," she just cares about her friends, and she's sad because her friends are upset about her clones, and that if they don't figure out who she is, they may send her into the pond by accident.  So she does something that only a character with depth would be able to do - she sits there and watches paint dry with much determination, as the other depth-less Pinkies become distracted by their super-happy-fun-ness.

 

As we know, one of the Pinkies morphed her face into a G3 pony . . . and was quickly sent away.

 

So combining all this information, to me, makes it seem like they were trying to show that MLP:FiM isn't like the loveless, generic pony days of old.  It's full of diverse characters with depth, beautiful animation and voice acting, and of course . . . love.  And that's why it isn't just a bunch of cookie-cutter ponies with cookie-cutter personalities.

[Motion Spark 7,807]

As for the CMC episode she got around 1 minute of screen time and was used for comic relief as per usual with her.

well that minute was more than enough to get me mad. 

 

I did like her in the premiere episodes though.  I thought her jokes were funny, even if they were taking her usual character a bit out of context.

if I can save one joke from her in these episode it would be her party cannon in reverse, after that, I don't remember much about Pinkie.

 

I hope this helps answer your question Motion Spark, and hopefully dispel of some of your fears that Pinkie is going to be ruined this season.  Granted, I cannot say with any certainty what direction Studio B is going to take with her character, but I think that, based on their track record, we have nothing to worry about! 

I loved reading your analysis XD

I think that Pinkie is getting worse per episode, both in the Crystal Empire and Too Many Pinkies, she was bearable...I felt her forced to be funny though. But it felt like Pinkie, but although she had only a cameo in Bad Seed, I despised with all my being her appearance in the episode, even if that was a filller...

I dunno if I'm getting older fast or what, but I hated what they did to Pinkie in that episode.

[Radiance64 7,053]

No way, I think they're just exaggerating here a bit more is all. I personally though she was perfect in The Crystal Empire, the funniest Pinkie's ever been imo. And Too Many Pinkie Pies was a pretty ok episode, I mean sure the clones were annoying but they were supposed to be, and the real Pinkie was acting nothing like them in the end. And as for her puns in One Bad Apple, sure they were kind of out of place but they didn't ruin the whole episode for me, that's ridiculous. There's still a lot of season 3 left to go, so let's not jump to these sort of conclusions so quickly just yet.

You know, I think the main point of "Too Many Pinkie Pies" might have been to poke fun at the previous generations and what pony-haters think of the show. Allow me to explain.

 

The earliest generations of MLP weren't really bad. They were made in the 80's based on plastic pony toys. I think they did a pretty decent job. But generation 3 is probably one of the more well-known (at least more thought-of) generations when it comes to MLP for anyone who doesn't know anything about the show. Like you hear many bronies say today, they were reluctant to watch the show, due to the overly-girly-stereotype ideas coming into their minds.

 

So anyone who doesn't know anything about the show is probably thinking of G3, which, as I had mentioned, is fueled by female gender stereotype; pinkness everywhere, girly-girly stuff, tea parties, cheesy over-done voice acting, "having fun," etc. Of course that's going to push a LOT of people away from MLP:FiM.

 

Now let's take a look at the events in Too Many Pinkie Pies. Pinkie really cares about her friends, and she doesn't wanna have to choose between them when they're doing different things at different times (I know that feel). So she duplicates herself, not knowing that her duplications actually won't be exactly like her; they're made of her "fun" side. So they are very one-dimensional. Kind of like the ponies in G3.

 

So all those "fun" Pinkies get out of control and cause trouble, you see that the only true Pinkie is actually sad and worried. She has character. Pinkie Pie isn't actually all about "fun fun fun," she just cares about her friends, and she's sad because her friends are upset about her clones, and that if they don't figure out who she is, they may send her into the pond by accident. So she does something that only a character with depth would be able to do - she sits there and watches paint dry with much determination, as the other depth-less Pinkies become distracted by their super-happy-fun-ness.

 

As we know, one of the Pinkies morphed her face into a G3 pony . . . and was quickly sent away.

 

So combining all this information, to me, makes it seem like they were trying to show that MLP:FiM isn't like the loveless, generic pony days of old. It's full of diverse characters with depth, beautiful animation and voice acting, and of course . . . love. And that's why it isn't just a bunch of cookie-cutter ponies with cookie-cutter personalities.

Your sig works perfectly here.

[GuillermoGage 246]

It's clear that the fandom creates their own content and many base their beliefs of the show in fan-made material, like fics, arts, animations or music. For example, characters like Bon Bon or Octavia hasn't even spoken yet and we all have a popular idea of how their personalities may be, because of the fan-made content.

Not meeeeee! (I say in that suggesting singsong voice) Pfft. Octavia is nothing more than a pretty mare who plays the cello. Derpy Ditzy Doo is not a mother and what does she even have to do with muffins? Her cutie mark is bubbles.

 

 

Eeyup, Pinkie Pie is probably the canary in the coal mine to figure out if MLP:FiM goes the way of SpongeBob SquarePants. Or just if any character gets relentlessly and lazily flanderized, that would be the time to call it quits and celebrate the great first few or x amount of seasons of My Little Pony that was.

 

But that's not happening right now! I'm sure this is the zaniest and most careless Pinkie will ever go! She is not dumb cartoony comic relief! 

[Opalicious 799]

Personally, I completely agree with you. To me, she just seemed so different. This all started in the first episode, with Pinkie Spy, where she tried out her night vision goggles and crashed into the pole. This started to get me wondering why something so...physics obliging would happen. Then, in Too Many Pinkies, thought she did some classic Pinkie stuff, she spent too much time explaining why she was doing things. The epic Pinkie reformation combo was when she jumped into the water. That was not Pinkie. While the fandom is making jokes on how she bends the law of physics, I just don't remember her as somepony who bends the laws intentionally. And then for the combo bit. Right afterwards, she explained to Rainbow Dash why she jumped into the water like that, something I don't think the old Pinkie would have explained otherwise. Moving on to the Babs Seed episode, I've been trying to crack that joke that she was laughing on when she was on the boat. Sure, she was in a lettuce shaped boat, and the CMC shouted, "Let us in," clearly understood as, "Lettuce in," yet I still don't quite get it. And why did she go from piloting the boat when she was laughing at their 'joke', to throwing out the ladder and then sitting on a sofa reading a magazine. I don't see it in her. Verdict: She has changed to me. Thoughts? Comments? And most expected, criticism?

[Clarity 3,094]

I don't really see any difference, but maybe it's just because I never found Pinkie's antics funny in the first place.

 

And I hear that some of you get angry for Pinkie Pie to only get a minute of screentime in the newest episode. But you know what? AJ got more, but that was quickly forgotten in the shadow of Pinkie's obsession with veggie salad. The moment was funny, most people liked it, and remembered her over AJ. So I think you all should be happy

[One 498]

I remember after seeing the first two episodes I replied in a different forum how "They have 11 episodes left to renew themselves." But after the pinkie episode and CMC episode, I really feel like they have 9 episodes left... I dont think they're gonna make it. Also the "unwanted" memes that came with season 3 has annoyed me, like Gak for example.

 

A lot feels different in this new season, like the show has completly derailed and is heading in a new direction.

[Nohbdy 4,108]

One might consider Pinkie to be a clown archetype, not unlike the character of Feste from William Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. She's a bit silly, a bit immature, and a bit crazy,  and people aren't inclined to take her seriously. At the same time, she's frequently the most insightful and wise of the characters.

 

Indeed, her characterization will be an  indicator of when the show starts to decline, simply because she is trots the fine line between clown and fool.

[Marceline 187]

I remember after seeing the first two episodes I replied in a different forum how "They have 11 episodes left to renew themselves." But after the pinkie episode and CMC episode, I really feel like they have 9 episodes left... I dont think they're gonna make it. Also the "unwanted" memes that came with season 3 has annoyed me, like Gak for example.A lot feels different in this new season, like the show has completly derailed and is heading in a new direction.

 

Isn't season 3 supposed to be a story arc?  It's much shorter than the other seasons; it may just have different stuff in it because it's . . . well . . . different itself.

. . . Also, what is "Gak?"  ._.

[Dusty Soul 2,613]

I did find that one scene in the first episode with the night vision goggles to be rather forced, so I can agree with most of what your saying.  She has gotten a bit out of control, even for Pinkie.

[Arcanel 3,041]

I dunno if I'm getting older fast or what, but I hated what they did to Pinkie in that episode.

Nah, you're not getting older (otherwise, this might get awkward for me XD). Anyway, if anything, you're being defensive of Pinkie because you're afraid that she will get dumbed down, which isn't bad at all. =) However, I don't think you should fear Sparky. Besides, everyone makes mistyakes they don't realize. Look at the type of mistakes others have done. AJ never learned to get help, effectively putting others in danger, Twilight got super crazy instead of dealing it for what she is known for, logic, effectively making herself dangerous to others, and so on. They are mistakes that others would consider silly but it's part of their personalities. Pinkie's too attached to her friends and fun to let the opportunity pass, and let's not forget the fact she DOES NOT want anypony get sad. AJ is too proud to get help and wants to reassure her confidence by making almost impossible stuff. And Twilight has never, EVER failed an "appointment" of any kind, let alone one to Princess Celestia, and I'm sure she did not want to begin now.

 

You gotta look deeper into the mind of the ponies before going on your own. One of Pinkie's goal in life is to make everypony smile, wherever, whenever. Never forget that fact. =).

[Motion Spark 7,807]

Then, in Too Many Pinkies, thought she did some classic Pinkie stuff, she spent too much time explaining why she was doing things. The epic Pinkie reformation combo was when she jumped into the water. That was not Pinkie. While the fandom is making jokes on how she bends the law of physics, I just don't remember her as somepony who bends the laws intentionally

This word "combo", I can't place it...

actually the water part was very Pinkie, and I liked that part, because there's not other pony who can pull that off other than Pinkie Pie, even RD was wondering how did she do that.

Also, I don't undertand what do you mean with intentionally, she can stretch her limbs, morph her body, pull LARGE objects out of nowhere, she's the only pony that defies the laws of physics.

 

 

 

I don't really see any difference, but maybe it's just because I never found Pinkie's antics funny in the first place.

 

And I hear that some of you get angry for Pinkie Pie to only get a minute of screentime in the newest episode. But you know what? AJ got more, but that was quickly forgotten in the shadow of Pinkie's obsession with veggie salad. The moment was funny, most people liked it, and remembered her over AJ. So I think you all should be happy

Clary, I know that your favorite pony is Applejack... read this spoiler, you'll love it

 

 

...I think that you are AJ's #1 fan, much more than akimBrony

 

 

 

buuuuuuuut, you should stop, you have to stop shoving AJ into people's faces, it's kind of irritating actually. You know why at least I, talking about her? because that was a CMC episode, then, she was outstanding! she was motherly, responsible, mature and adult. I have no complaits with Applejack, actually, I think she's the more balanced of the mane6, which probably people don't pick her for discussion, because there are few bad things to say about her.

But, this is a Pinkie Pie thread, a bad Pinkie Pie thread, and you are still trying to add Applejack into the mix, you are acting like these bronies that want to turn everyone into bronies, and you know what the fandom think of these bronies.

Isn't season 3 supposed to be a story arc?  It's much shorter than the other seasons; it may just have different stuff in it because it's . . . well . . . different itself.

. . . Also, what is "Gak?"  ._.

for what I fear...season 3 nor any upcoming season will be story oriented, adn that's something I would like the show to have, if there are some story involved, it would be Twilight getting better at magic. 

You gotta look deeper into the mind of the ponies before going on your own. One of Pinkie's goal in life is to make everypony smile, wherever, whenever. Never forget that fact. =).

I know what her goal is, but does she have to be a moroon without intelligence to be make everypony smile? she's usually a moroon, but she makes sense by not making sense, she was somewhat wise and intelligent, and this Pinkie is lacking this characteristics, but let's see how she evolves during the rest of the season. 

[Marceline 187]

for what I fear...season 3 nor any upcoming season will be story oriented, adn that's something I would like the show to have, if there are some story involved, it would be Twilight getting better at magic. 

 

I don't think that's very logical that they would do that.  There's nothing wrong with a little story arc/side bit like this every once in a while.  It freshens things up, changes things so it's not constantly cookie-cutter season after cookie-cutter season.  And I'm pretty sure season 3 has a lot to do with Twilight improving.

[Motion Spark 7,807]

I don't think that's very logical that they would do that.  There's nothing wrong with a little story arc/side bit like this every once in a while.  It freshens things up, changes things so it's not constantly cookie-cutter season after cookie-cutter season.  And I'm pretty sure season 3 has a lot to do with Twilight improving.

I agree with you 100% and I support your idea, actually I made a thread about that same issue. But sadly MLP has never been a story oriented cartoon, we see, really tiny bits of story improvements, but what happens to the villains of the show? they are long forgotten and the way they impact is long forgotten as the next episode starts.