Do You Support Twilicorn?

[sticky3004 3]

I do suppot twilicorn because now their adventures and tasks will elevate to another level of awesomeness and friendship.

[jessbronymow 3]

what really annoys me is people saying it was rushed but the writers have beeen building up for it throughout the whole serise and its awesome, sorry for spelling, im not good with spelling

[Seldon 12]

Even though the change seemed quite sudden, even though the final episode was too fast, I think they did a great job.

I don't know the English expressions, but us Italians distinguish tv shows with a "Trama orizzontale" ("horizontal plot", i.e. episodes are cronologically or logically connected, like the chapters, or better the installments of a novel, and most each of them adds something to the global plot) from tv shows with a "Trama verticale" ("vertical plot", i.e. sometimes there is a global plot but each episode can be seen as an indipendent story, except maybe from few episodes that "carry the plot forward"). Of course few shows are totally horizontal  or totally vertical.

MLP:FiM is mainly vertical, and I think that it's very difficult to introduce a big change in such shows. Also twenty minutes is a small amount of time to make it happen.

That's why I admire how they dealt with Twilicorn.

 

I don't question why they decided to make her an alicorn: twists and turns just happen, and as a Game of Thrones viewer (and reader) I am used to big and sudden changes.

 

Maybe if Twilight was my favourite pony or I didn't like pegasi I would care more, but I would probably think: "Twilight seems very happy about becoming an alicorn, and who wouldn't be happy to get wings? Her happyness is not just Hasbro's decision, it's a natural reaction. And if she cannot not be happy, at least I cannot be sad or angry". Yeah it's quite a long thought.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Seldon

[DND 2,355]

YES. Yes I do. All of my opinions why are summed up by Digibrony:

 

 

Guys, this whole thing probably should've been obvious. I thought it was a great idea, and it certainly seemed like Twilight would become a princess at one point.

[Benphar 3]

Been gone for a bit due to having a case of real life syndrome. Anyhow I would like to point out a couple of things. Call Hasbro evil and greedy if you want, but their actions are done in the best interest of their company, not out of the goodness of their hearts. A company cannot survive if it is not loyal to the money. Hasbro is not a thrift store so they depend on selling their products to ensure their survival. It looks to me that MLP has a 2 fold purpose. Advertising and Entertainment. So even though the whole twilicorn thing was just to make more money, I'll wager that it worked and therefore brought more success to the company and contribution to the economy. Which, like it or not, is more important than a good story.

 

Another thing, a change of the body does not mean an immediate change in personality. I liked twilight for her personality and not for her body. Yes having wings will change her personality because she will be learning things she otherwise wouldn't have. But the core of her personality is not likely to change in my opinion unless there is an even more epic event in her life.

 

 

 

I am getting weary of the same things being said over and over so just to bring a little more color to our current discussion, I want to hear how all of you think your friends/family would react if you suddenly grew wings and became a major political player. At first I am sure I would have fun giving rides to my nieces and nephews but it would get old being asked the same questions by different people. Can I have your picture? Can I have a ride? Would you pass this law? ect. ect. In the end I would still prefer to keep to myself. On top of that it might result in my losing my job because wings wouldn't exactly be conducive to driving since we transport heavy equipment on a daily basis. In our world I would be paid to be a politician, but then there are worries of assignation, secrets, and so on. Having wings would be cool even with the downsides. But being involved in politics would suck all the way around. Your thoughts? 

 

[Shawn Parks 1,798]

In my case, suddenly having a new special ability and having an important job would be awesome.  Having any job would be great, actually. 

[Shanks 10,816]

In my case, suddenly having a new special ability and having an important job would be awesome.  Having any job would be great, actually. 

And I think it could be awesome if I won the lottery and was able to seduce any woman I wanted with the blink of an eye but is not exactly the most believable thing ever. Sure I may now be neutral on twilicorn but "it would be cool" is no offense one of the worst arguments I have heard in favor of it. Wish fulfillment which is what this clearly is is not wrong in and of itself so long as it is not to the point of Mary Sue territory. What makes twilicorn dangerously close to that is precisely because it has been presented so poorly so far with a season finale that made no sense and seemed to come out of nowhere, it can still work and I am cautiously optimistic after seeing Equestria Girls but that was still quite the clusterfuck.

[Dark Horn 430]

@,

 

As you said yourself, anyone who has seen Equestria Girls knows that Twilight is still having trouble adjusting and with being an alicorn.

 

She's not a Mary Sue, period, and likely, will never be.

[Shanks 10,816]

She's not a Mary Sue, period, and likely, will never be.

No she indeed is not at this point, and it is fortunately far less likely that she will become one than I originally feared which is great because she is one of the best characters on this show but it is still possible as nobody really knows for sure if twilicorn will in fact actually work. And whether it ultimately ends up working or not dosen't change the argument I responded to is in fact a very very bad argument to support twilicorn. There are good arguments both in favor of and opposing twilicorn as well as on the neutral side, even when my opposition was at its strongest I still called BS on certain arguments on my side like "she will leave her friends" for example.

[Shawn Parks 1,798]

 "it would be cool" is no offense one of the worst arguments I have heard in favor of it. 

 

I wasn't making an argument in favor of Twilight becoming an alicorn.  I was responding to the previous post.  My post was about me. 

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

Unfortunately the writers had to handle this nonsensical idea developed by Hasbro, and at the end they couldn't make it fit right in the show. Or at least I felt it that way.

Such a rushed change without any base,  that is hard to handle without the proper plot roots to bound it into the story progression in a believable way. And so the tree without roots, grew as fast as it crashed into the ground, hurting the overall quality and the common sense in the the plot progressión.

 

Losing credibility is equal to lose depth. Without any depht was kinda hard to relate myself with such big a change. Change that probably will end up being shallow due to the probable continuity in the story line. But then wat was the reason for such a big change beyond selling more toys?



Will the writers be able to come up with some good new ideas based around twilight's change?

Probably yes!


Does this make the Twlight's transformation a good change?

I don't think so. Because good ideas could have been developed without even touching the alicorn matter.


So we'll see...

Edited July 25, 2013 by They call me Loyalty

[Jamesblorg39welsh 125]

i dont exactly like the idea of twilicorn and the songs were  really lame it seemed like if they took out the whole twilicorn thing it wouldve just been a normal episode

[Mutemutt 773]

*snip*

I must confess that I hate the Alicorn race with burning passion. Without any real reasons other cheapness, their superiority, and their OPness. That being said, I don't have a thing against the characters of alicorns (i still like luna very much for her personality), but I hate alicornism itself. I hate Alicorn OC's, i hate their demi-god status, i hate that Cadance was changed to an Alicorn rather than a unicorn like she was supposed to be, and i hate that Alicornism has now been forced into the mane six. What's wrong with Twilight being princess who is a unicorn?

I hate Alicorns because there's no ignoring their royal perfection anymore. It has been made clear by the show that earth ponies are the mostly lowly race you can get (remember how they were peasants in the pageant play? and how the non-earth mane six were *reduced* to the level of earth ponies by discord?), unicorn and pegasi are tied in class (soldiers and scholars/wealthy merchants in the pageant play), and Alicorns as the most superior class (royalty).  In other words, hate the inequality of the races.

*snip*

 

Whoa. I always felt the exact same way; I just never had guts to say it, I guess. I just hate how much better the alicorn race appears to be compared to the other races. What I wouldn't give to have Twilight as a unicorn princess, to prove, at least on some level, that alicorns are not that much greater than the other races. The alicorn superiority has always rubbed me the wrong way.

[rvb 19]

I see the different races of ponies as part of a larger whole, with each pony (and race) being just as important as any other -- think how boring life would be for them (and for us!) if all ponies were alicorns?  Or all unicorns?  All of the ponies are happy being just who they are (including race, personality, color, cutie marks, and everything else that makes each unique).  The Earth ponies are happy even though they can't fly like the Pegasi, the Pegasi are happy even though they can't do magic like the Unicorns, and the Unicorns are happy even though they can't fly like the Pegasi.  

 

As an example, speaking personally, I'm happy and I like being me even though there are much better bass players out there than me.  Just because someone else has more talent or abilities than me does not mean that I am worth any less as a person.  

 

To sum up, I see it as Twilight's friends all being excited and happy for her new wings -- Twilight's wings do not suddenly make her friends worth any less and there is no inherent reason for them to stop being happy with who they are.  Now, some ponies could choose to feel jealous and decide that they can't be happy unless they have wings too, but that would be their choice.

 

To sum up the summary, as I see it ponies (and humans) have equal worth simply because they are -- not because of what they are.     Each is a unique piece of the larger whole, and without each unique piece being exactly what it is the whole would be incomplete.

Edited July 27, 2013 by rvb

[Thunderstorm 120]

At first I was outraged. But now I don't really care.. She's still the same Twilight we all know and love...

But with an epic pair of wings.

[CT-1138 3,182]

I'm indifferent. I don't mind it, really, but I do hope that the in S4, Twilight finds out that it's lonely at the top being a princess, and missing her friends, has Celestia pull a duex machina on her to turn her back into a unicorn. 

[Crazydud619dx 30]

Before the season finale, I didn't really support the whole "transformation" at all. I've somewhat accepted Twilight as an Alicorn now, but I still think her being a princess now isn't really fair, especially when you factor in her friends. It's kinda like saying she is more special or better than the rest of them due to her gaining wings; it could also lead to them (or at least some of them) envying her.

[Dark Horn 430]

@,

 

Woah. Turning Twilight back into a unicorn?! Not only would that erase Twilight's full potential and status, but it's not really lonely at the top, to be honest.

 

I mean... Celestia... Luna... Cadence... Skyla... plus, just because she suddenly sprouts wings doesn't mean her friends grow envious and desert her!

[CT-1138 3,182]

@,

 

Woah. Turning Twilight back into a unicorn?! Not only would that erase Twilight's full potential and status, but it's not really lonely at the top, to be honest.

 

I mean... Celestia... Luna... Cadence... Skyla... plus, just because she suddenly sprouts wings doesn't mean her friends grow envious and desert her!

Eh, I'm just not really sure if I can accept the whole Princess thing. I don't mind the Alicorn thing so much as it's kinda weird having Twilight being a princess. Plus, it upsets the 2 Unicorns, 2 Pegasi, 2 Earth Ponies thing going on with the Mane 6. 

[Dark Horn 430]

@,

 

Yes, I did notice the disruption in the 2-2-2 balance.

 

But despite that, have you seen Equestria Girls and/or the S4 spoilers? Twilight stands by her friends as if she was still a unicorn. Maybe she displays a little more status, but, oh well. She is the main character, after all.

[Princess Periwinkle 3,775]

Some people say that Twilicorn was never the original intention of FiM. That this is all just pandering/marketing or whatever.

 

Well take this or leave it, since I don't have a credible source at the moment, but according to the MLP Wiki, Magical Mystery Cure was written by M.A. Larsen in November 2011. The source that the wiki cited over there no longer exists, though. Here's the page if you feel like looking.

 

Anyways... just wanted to point that out.

 

EDIT: Source

Edited July 29, 2013 by Sky Chaser

[Mr. Changeling 132]

I like twilicorn (however, my opinion is biased (twilight is best pony)). I think that it is a cool concept and I am pretty excited to see the new episodes for it. And to me, it is basicly the season 2 premier and equestria girls; so many people were bashing on it, but once they came out, people were blown away (atleast for the season 2 premier. Equestria girls was .... Ehh .... but it didnt suck). To me it is the same deal, youve got to trust the writers on this, they havent let us down yet.

[ThunderShock1 24]

Here's my two cents on how some bronies call the group: Twilight and her sidekick five.

 

I don't think that's a good assumtion.  The group works TOGETHER.  They support EACH OTHER.  And there have been episodes where the others have solved each others problems WITHOUT Twilight.

 

And say whatever you will, Twilight is very clearly the series' MAIN CHARACTER.  She starts off as an introvert who doesn't want friends, goes through some trials and tribulations, and eventually becomes an alicorn.

 

It may have been sketchy at times, but hey, at least she had an arc.  At least we all clearly understood what the F!$@ was going on! 

Edited July 28, 2013 by ThunderShock1

[Shanks 10,816]

It may have been sketchy at times, but hey, at least she had an arc.  At least we all clearly understood what the F!$@ was going on! 

Yes, we did at least until the season 3 finale which was random and not exactly the good kind of random. I seriously couldn't figure out what the hell was going on throughout the entire episode, the whole thing just seemed like a mere formality until the coronation at the end. The good thing about alicorn Twilight only being on screen for such a limited time is it does give the writers more time and room to actually smooth this over.

[danjuno 8]

I don't think it was a very creative idea. That said, I could get behind it if I trusted the writers, but after Magic Mystery Cure and Equestria Girls, I just don't. I would love to see DHX recruit some fresh talent.

 

Some people say that Twilicorn was never the original intention of FiM. That this is all just pandering/marketing or whatever.

 

Well take this or leave it, since I don't have a credible source at the moment, but according to the MLP Wiki, Magical Mystery Cure was written by M.A. Larsen in November 2011. The source that the wiki cited over there no longer exists, though. Here's the page if you feel like looking.

 

Anyways... just wanted to point that out.

This was 7 months after Lauren Faust (the creator) quit, so the aforementioned argument (this wasn't her destiny from the beginning of the show) still stands. Also, after some research, I found that Lauren posted on her DevianArt account that she never said she was going to make TS a princess or an Alicorn. Though this does beg the question, if not either of those things, what did Lauren have in store for us?