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[Haven Celestii 9,385]

So, guys, did you know that Vayne's win-rate with BotRK is ONLY ABOUT 50-55% (According to LoLKing)?

 

I have a new Vayne build to test. It's unconventional, no BotRKs OR Phantom Dancers. I will try this build:

Berserker's Greaves W/Furor, Bloodthirster, Infinity Edge, 2x Zephyr, and Mercurial Scimitar. Ought to be interesting.

 

The DPS would be ridiculous, I calculated a fairly high 2280 every 2 seconds WITHOUT SILVER BOLTS PROC DAMAGE. This is assuming the DPS will get to 2.5, which with DOUBLED Attack Speed (2 50%s), is probably about right.

I do something similiar already, except with a BOtRK for even more attack speed, Phantom Dance, and Static Shiv for tons of movespeed and attacks speed.

 

You'd have maximum survavibility as you'd be lifestealing at the speed of light, so in theory, you should be super fine unless crits are a thing to worry about. I also run what I run for the kiting ability as taking no damage is 100% better than trying to heal over damage. Idk how well yours will actually do with a properly farmed enemy. I know with my build a Jinx was able to hold her own against me due to her attack speed. Or maybe it was technically the other way around. *shrugs*

 

You may also want an armor pen for tanks. Crits only go so far as ive come to learn and you've only an IE in your buuild. It prolly won't save you from a proper tank unless you can kite them well.

Double Zephyr? Isn't that a waste of Tenacity?

And this

This is why I dont stack Phantom Dancers.

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

Double Zephyr? Isn't that a waste of Tenacity?

I can just replace that with a Phantom Dancer. Less Attack Speed and AD though.

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

I can just replace that with a Phantom Dancer. Less Attack Speed and AD though.

Probably should, though I'd listen to Haven, he is a better ADC than I am lol

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

I do something similiar already, except with a BOtRK for even more attack speed, Phantom Dance, and Static Shiv for tons of movespeed and attacks speed.You'd have maximum survavibility as you'd be lifestealing at the speed of light, so in theory, you should be super fine unless crits are a thing to worry about. I also run what I run for the kiting ability as taking no damage is 100% better than trying to heal over damage. Idk how well yours will actually do with a properly farmed enemy. I know with my build a Jinx was able to hold her own against me due to her attack speed. Or maybe it was technically the other way around. *shrugs*

 

Well, here are several things:

1. DPS in this build has little reliance on the crits. They just happen.

2. Shiv? What about Silver Bolts? Or is that not on Vayne? On Jinx or Ashe, it's powerhouse.

3. BotRK might not be a good choice. It's a common choice because most LoL Vayne players believe it Stacks with Silver Bolts. It really doesn't. It just deals a little extra damage. It's Attack Speed boost is not even a lot either.

4. Phantom Dancer is also an overrated item. It does give a decent DPS and Movement Boost, but Zephyr is really better on that.

[honk friend 1,978]

hey guys

I got league to work again, I just had to wait like an hour and suddenly the update unfucked itself

Also, played 10 games and won 9 of them, not bad considering the fact that I haven't played regularly in a long time.

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

Well, here are several things:

1. DPS in this build has little reliance on the crits. They just happen.

2. Shiv? What about Silver Bolts? Or is that not on Vayne? On Jinx or Ashe, it's powerhouse.

3. BotRK might not be a good choice. It's a common choice because most LoL Vayne players believe it Stacks with Silver Bolts. It really doesn't. It just deals a little extra damage. It's Attack Speed boost is not even a lot either.

4. Phantom Dancer is also an overrated item. It does give a decent DPS and Movement Boost, but Zephyr is really better on that.

Yeah, the crits in my build are actually more just there as I really only want the attack speed personally.

 

More attack speed = more silver bolt procs = more damage. Idk how well it actually is compared to other items for Vayne, but I find it to be pretty damn useful.

 

It doesn't stack per se, but it is still percent health damage, which, is exactly what Silver Bolts is. That's a nice chunk of percent health you're dealing there with both at once.

 

It may be, but I love chase game and being able to fluidly move through minions and such is just for me. I might try a Zephyr and Phantom on her next time I do play her though.

 

Probably should, though I'd listen to Haven, he is a better ADC than I am lol

While I may be somewhat ok at ADC, I in all honestly don't care for it to a degree.

 

I know how to play it so an extent, but the theories and reasons behind all that are a damn mystery to me. xD

This goes for just about everything in this damn game. x)

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

Yeah, the crits in my build are actually more just there as I really only want the attack speed personally.More attack speed = more silver bolt procs = more damage. Idk how well it actually is compared to other items for Vayne, but I find it to be pretty damn useful.It doesn't stack per se, but it is still percent health damage, which, is exactly what Silver Bolts is. That's a nice chunk of percent health you're dealing there with both at once.It may be, but I love chase game and being able to fluidly move through minions and such is just for me. I might try a Zephyr and Phantom on her next time I do play her though.While I may be somewhat ok at ADC, I in all honestly don't care for it to a degree. :lol:I know how to play it so an extent, but the theories and reasons behind all that are a damn mystery to me. xDThis goes for just about everything in this damn game. x)

 

Yeah definitely understandable.

 

Building Shiv on Vayne is still MUCH BETTER THAN BUILDING RUNAAN'S. That's just laughably horrific building.

[Glaceon 793]

As a Vayne main that has been playing Vayne for 2 years and been playing ADC for 3 years.
I agree with Haven.
 

 

It doesn't stack per se, but it is still percent health damage, which, is exactly what Silver Bolts is. That's a nice chunk of percent health you're dealing there with both at once.

 You guys should try getting Youmuu's Ghostblade, use it whenever you ult and your DPS skyrockets.

Also crits are important with any ADC build. The silver bolts are a good chunk of your damage but crits just make your attacks all the more painful.

A common build path for me is Bork (Sustain, AtkSpd, passive and active is too good to pass up.) -> AtkSpd Boots -> Youmuu's (The active is too good and on a short cooldown too. Armor pen and crit chance + damage is good too.) -> Phantom Dancer (Better for late game fights than Shiv.) -> Defensive item (Banshee's/GA/Frozen Mallet/Scimitar) -> Defensive or Damage item (IE/Trinity Force) depending on the situation.

Double defensive items are such a big game changer that often times enemies would stop trying to focus me first and go for another target instead.

 

 

So, guys, did you know that Vayne's win-rate with BotRK is ONLY ABOUT 50-55% (According to LoLKing)?

Too clarify this item is bought be Vayne in almost every single game. Since a good majority of Vaynes get BorK and not all of them play Vayne regularly the win/loss ratio tends to be 50/50.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Glaceon

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

You guys should try getting Youmuu's Ghostblade, use it whenever you ult and your DPS skyrockets.

 

Also crits are important with any ADC build. The silver bolts are a good chunk of your damage but crits just make your attacks all the more painful.

 

Double defensive items are such a big game changer that often times enemies would stop trying to focus me first and go for another target instead.

Ive never cared for Youmuu's for whatever reason. Mostly just cause its another active I'd have to get used to using. x)

May try it out at least once though.

 

Crits are why my stupid build of IE, PD, and SS actually hurt. If you've ever seen someone have to leave from one crit, imagine about 5 of them within a second or so before one can actually think to walk away. Shits funny yo. \o/

 

I should also start buying defensive items again.

While, its fun to melt literally everyone with crits, Id be more safer with the defense. Not sure if I'd actually win or do better as I do damn fine with what I do, but yeah.

 

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I can't even begin to explain my pure hatred of people who quit the game early just cause it seems bad. >.>

Has no one ever heard of ACTUALLY TRYING? :l

Edited November 14, 2014 by Haven

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

I actually hate Youmuu's. IT LOST ME A GAME, as Tryndamere. WHOM BUILDS THAT AS A CORE ITEM. I have a grudge, yes.

 

I prefer Runaan's in it's place for Twitch, and Zephyr instead for Vayne.

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

For the record, changed name to Lun4Shy on my League account, just in case anyone wants to add me or sees the name and is thinking about deleting me lol

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

I actually hate Youmuu's. IT LOST ME A GAME, as Tryndamere. WHOM BUILDS THAT AS A CORE ITEM. I have a grudge, yes.

 

I prefer Runaan's in it's place for Twitch, and Zephyr instead for Vayne.

Idk how an item loses a game for you and not how you use it or something, but ok.

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I can now 100% confirm that playing League without a cursor, is in fact, very hard and very awkward. :z

[Glaceon 793]

I actually hate Youmuu's. IT LOST ME A GAME, as Tryndamere. WHOM BUILDS THAT AS A CORE ITEM. I have a grudge, yes.

How does an item lose you a game? <.<

 

Ive never cared for Youmuu's for whatever reason. Mostly just cause its another active I'd have to get used to using. x) May try it out at least once though. Crits are why my stupid build of IE, PD, and SS actually hurt. If you've ever seen someone have to leave from one crit, imagine about 5 of them within a second or so before one can actually think to walk away. Shits funny yo. \o/

 

A cool little tip of when to activate Youmuu's is whenever you want to ult. Usually this means that you'd activate it at the same time as your ult but in situations when your ult is on CD you can just activate Youmuu's instead and get a good steroid. Also you can activate it to run away. (The CD is stupidly short.)

 

Now about getting Shiv and PD. I honestly feel that you don't need both. It tends to be redundant and you can easily swap one of the two for a defensive item. Both are expensive buys and getting both delays your build quite a bit.

 

 

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On an unrelated note here is my usual build path for Vayne:

 

I usually get 1 defensive item before I buy one of the two 'damage item' options.

 

 

The items I use here so far have covered almost every situation I find myself in. From hard dive comps all the way to poke comps.

The Frozen Mallet is usually taken when my opponents are stuff like: Udyr, Nocturne (Just get away from the ult), Volibear, Singed and other stuff with no short CD dashes.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2014 by Glaceon

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

Now about getting Shiv and PD. I honestly feel that you don't need both. It tends to be redundant and you can easily swap one of the two for a defensive item. Both are expensive buys and getting both delays your build quite a bit.

Oh, I know I don't need both and that I could have something potentially better in that spot. I just find it a lot of fun to do and since ive not actually had too much problem with coming back from a bad start with it or pushing myself even further ahead with them I continue to do so. Very rarely will I build properly as of late. May start going back to doing that eventually, but for now, Imma keep at it.

 

But, yes, I do understand there are much better options to go for. ^^

 

 

Also, >Frozen Mallet

I likes you. xD

You just gave me a reason to buy one now and good lord am I going to take it! x)

[Glaceon 793]

 

 

Also, >Frozen Mallet I likes you. xD You just gave me a reason to buy one now and good lord am I going to take it! x)

 

It does not work in every situation. It is a highly situational item so I'd be careful when to invest on buying it. 

[Magnum Flare 553]

Tryndamere has been on of my go-to top laner, because of what he's capable of if he used full damage build. My usual build is Start > PD > >Greaves > BotRK > LW/IE > BT/ Defensive item. I've seen some Youmuu user and I must say, I must try this sometimes. The ArPen really helps. If things are good, u can 100-0 ADC in 4/5 hits, assuming you have full rage.

 

Anyway,

 

Today is my second meeting with my college LoL club and I have fun there. I played Udyr and managed to snowball along with my Mordekaiser. Also my Nasus Rune page is almost complete! I only need 2 more CDR blues and it's finish. Final results is AD Red, Armor Yellow and CDR Blues/Quints. This gives me 15% CDR + 5% from masteries. Just add Frozen Heart to the item and I'm at max CDR (I really need it for Nasus stacks. You're almost guaranteed to win with lots of stacks, like Udyr's Feral Stack)

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

Me and Spirit Rush were on fire this game

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1633554666/207425875

 

I was the AP Kog'Maw, he was the Jinx

 

Erm... For some reason the stupid link name thing isn't working... Ignore that till I get it fixed -_-

Hmm... I think I am going to try Gnar, he is pretty strong, who knows I might do good as him;

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1634454742/207425875

 

Well shit lol, I should go play another; "Defeated"

 

Ok fine, one more, and then I'll decide if Gnar is my kind of...

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1634604547/207425875

     

 

I LOVE YOU GNAR BABY!!!

(Though I'm not that cute... Or have tails... Or a woman.)

Edited November 16, 2014 by KokuraiNoSenshi

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

I really, REALLY don't like Quinn. Her ADC game is pretty bad, none of her abilities are even powerful enough to pull much off. Other than her passive, nothing boosts damage output, or has sufficient amounts of damage to kill. Take Twitch here as an example. Twitch has his Ambush, which, while providing invis, also gives him Movement Speed, and extra Attack Speed for the engagement. Also Contaminate has relatively high potential. Quinn's kit is really only good for ESCAPE. I literally treated her like I do most ADCs (DPSCs, really), and I went 2/11. Isn't that pathetic?

 

On another note, does anybody know how to build a Ryze well? He's my new main mid now instead of Veigar, because Veigar's early game is pathetic. It's lost me games, other than that supp game. A Varus fed and blamed it on me on that. He said that I couldn't supp just because I slightly miswarded. Learn how to ADC. I can teach if you want, bud. Ugh.

 

I have the idea of building an early Tear of the Goddess for Mana, A good few Rods, and maybe a Rabadon's to top off the AP. Maybe some Spell Vamp to stack with his ult, also. But, I don't know him too well. I see his potential, though. I carried a losing team with him the other day. Lost still, but I still outdid everyone else.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Twilly F. Sniper

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

I really, REALLY don't like Quinn. Her ADC game is pretty bad, none of her abilities are even powerful enough to pull much off. Other than her passive, nothing boosts damage output, or has sufficient amounts of damage to kill. Take Twitch here as an example. Twitch has his Ambush, which, while providing invis, also gives him Movement Speed, and extra Attack Speed for the engagement. Also Contaminate has relatively high potential. Quinn's kit is really only good for ESCAPE. I literally treated her like I do most ADCs (DPSCs, really), and I went 2/11. Isn't that pathetic?

 

On another note, does anybody know how to build a Ryze well? He's my new main mid now instead of Veigar, because Veigar's early game is pathetic. It's lost me games, other than that supp game. A Varus fed and blamed it on me on that. He said that I couldn't supp just because I slightly miswarded. Learn how to ADC. I can teach if you want, bud. Ugh.

 

I have the idea of building an early Tear of the Goddess for Mana, A good few Rods, and maybe a Rabadon's to top off the AP. Maybe some Spell Vamp to stack with his ult, also. But, I don't know him too well. I see his potential, though. I carried a losing team with him the other day. Lost still, but I still outdid everyone else.

I can give you the Quinn bit, as Ive actually not heard much anything good about her being done as a regular ADC. Making her more bruiser is apparently the way to go with her or something. Also, you having a bad time  with her doesn't make her bad.

 

Idk about Ryze mid anymore. Last I heard it went out with his range and he's a top laner now. I mean, you can do it as its not, like, impossible or anything. Fuck, I main Annie, I know about trying to get close enough for anything. So, yeah, still possible, just not as good as it was.

 

His build primarily depends on who he's facing on the enemy team. He also goes off of mana, not ap. So you want to build as fucking much as possible. Tear and Rod are pretty staple on him. Tear early as possible so it stacks quickly and Rod afterwards if you can so it can start stacking as well. Frozen Fist or Frozen Heart for ad people (Could even damn do both if you really wanted or need the tank), Spirit Visage for ap people and it does decent with your ult's spell vamp, idk how well spell vamp actually works on him in the case of WoTA, but it seems like a damn proper idea, Sorc or lucidity boots depending on what you want as both are helpful to him, and Void Staff/Abyssal Sceptar for MP. I guess one could stack Rods, but Idk how viable that actually is. I'd just get more health or bulkier if I couldn't figure out what else to get.

 

Lastly, Viegar isn't exactly meant for early. Even with it being not the best, you're supposed to farm like a boss and come in mid-late and literally nuke EVERYTHING. His early didn't lose you any game, your lack of understanding how to work with it did. If the early is bad then you farm it up to keep up and play it safe until you can do what you need to safely and well. The only time this is not the case is when the enemy team is smart enough to actually continually keep you down and not let you farm, literally, at all.

I'd also like to point out that I don't find Ryze's early extremely well either. Much too mana dependant to really be outstanding. Once that's covered though, he's an annoyance/monster to be near. >.>

 

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I keep getting a bunch of random FR from people I have no idea who they are. If it happens to be anyone from here, then you should let me know, otherwise I won't accept it. :z

[Glaceon 793]

Quinn is unviable and pretty bad tbh.

Ryze gets damage from mana more than AP so build mana.
Stick to one RoA though, multiple RoAs take too long to build.
You are expected to be tanky as Ryze.

[Magnum Flare 553]

I am in serious need for another champion to play. Seriously, I've been losing games with my 2 main (Nasus and Udyr). All I have are some cheap IP champ, Aatrox, Jinx, Braum.

 

Anyone has any champion suggestion? For the record, my 5 most picked champion are Nasus, Udyr, Twitch, Kayle and Tryndamere.

 

Also, is Tryndamere Jungle really good? I've been facing him twice and he kills a lot.

 

P.S The other day, I was sppectating a friend of mine when I saw her top laner IGN is Vinyltavia 

Edited November 17, 2014 by Kneesocks

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

I am in serious need for another champion to play. Seriously, I've been losing games with my 2 main (Nasus and Udyr). All I have are some cheap IP champ, Aatrox, Jinx, Braum.

 

Anyone has any champion suggestion? For the record, my 5 most picked champion are Nasus, Udyr, Twitch, Kayle and Tryndamere.

 

Also, is Tryndamere Jungle really good? I've been facing him twice and he kills a lot.

 

P.S The other day, I was sppectating a friend of mine when I saw her top laner IGN is Vinyltavia 

Gnar :3 I'm sorry but yeah, Gnar. He is so strong overall; Early game he is a lane bully (just rush Tri and then either defensive stats if going even or cutlass if ahead), and by late game he is super hard to kill and has not one but 2 team stuns with his W and ult. He takes awhile to get used to (much like I complained about back when he was new) but I so do not regret giving him a second try, in fact I have more regrets on having my name changed to Luna4Shy instead of buying his skin

[Magnum Flare 553]

Gnar :3 I'm sorry but yeah, Gnar. He is so strong overall; Early game he is a lane bully (just rush Tri and then either defensive stats if going even or cutlass if ahead), and by late game he is super hard to kill and has not one but 2 team stuns with his W and ult. He takes awhile to get used to (much like I complained about back when he was new) but I so do not regret giving him a second try, in fact I have more regrets on having my name changed to Luna4Shy instead of buying his skin

 

 

Now that I think about it, I just how Mega Gnar wrecks sht in fights. I like how much chaos Mega Gnar can make to the enemies.

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

Now that I think about it, I just how Mega Gnar wrecks sht in fights. I like how much chaos Mega Gnar can make to the enemies.

Even when behind as Gnar, one good ult or W at the right time and place can make a lost game into a snowballing victory

[Magnum Flare 553]

Tried Olaf today, verdict? He's okay, his E beat the crap out of the enemy. I might need more games to give full verdict.