Why was Queen Chrysalis such a jerk to everyone?

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

I suppose the simple answer is simply: because she could. However, her plan was to marry Shining Armor, so it would make sense to act relatively like Cadence to not arouse suspicions. If everyone wasn't so wrapped up in wedding excitement they might have actually listened to Twilight earlier, which would destroy her master plan to an extent.

 

In a way it makes sense for her to snub Twilight, as Chrysalis was shown that she was supposed to know Twilight, and Twilight might bring up old times which she would obviously have no memory of. However, as she states in her song, she doesn't care about Shining Armor, the dress, the cake, or anything else. If she didn't care then why not just play along for the hour or two before the wedding? You could see she was visibly panicked when Twilight confronted her on her actions.

 

In the end, though, it ultimately wouldn't have made any difference. Her plan would have been a success regardless if only she hadn't sent Twilight to the Canterlot Caves. Twilight had just been royally disowned by everyone and was apologetic so she was no longer a threat.

Edited October 17, 2013 by Never2muchpinkie

[Fluttershutter 2,545]

Yeah, you'd think she wouldn't want to do anything to arouse suspicion but I guess she just couldn't control herself. Still doesn't make sense why she should care about the dress or what Shining Armor wears.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

Yeah, you'd think she wouldn't want to do anything to arouse suspicion but I guess she just couldn't control herself. Still doesn't make sense why she should care about the dress or what Shining Armor wears.

That could just be it. She's so much of a witch she can't help but be condescending to others. All she did was paint a target on herself and ruin her own plan.

[Shanks 10,816]

I think in order to do what she had to do to feed her subjects she had to dehumanize the ponies, and she apparently did this to such an extent as to in some cases abandon prudence and go out of her way to torment them. A certain amount of dehumanization is necessary to harm anyone for any reason even in the case of basis survival as it is with the changelings, it still dosen't let her completely off the hook though.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

I think in order to do what she had to do to feed her subjects she had to dehumanize the ponies, and she apparently did this to such an extent as to in some cases abandon prudence and go out of her way to torment them. A certain amount of dehumanization is necessary to harm anyone for any reason even in the case of basis survival as it is with the changelings, it still dosen't let her completely off the hook though.

Well, I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense. I wonder if you meant demoralize, but either way, the changeling feed on love. Depressing the ponies is the complete opposite and wouldn't help in her goal. Though how much love would they really be feeling once her army broke in anyway?

[Scootalove 10,689]

Chrysalis should have not said anything but, her plan would have been perfect if she kept Twilight busy other than sending her bride maids. She could have not aroused suspicion instead, it happened anyway.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

@@Never2muchpinkie,My own response revolves around a headcanon of mine.

Do you know what immersion is? Immersion is a real life natural phenomenon that occurs to people when they perceive experiences progressively realistic inside their minds. In other words what's fake for them becomes real.

Bear with me please...

Remember the series "Animorphs"? It's about 5-6 or however much kids (i don't remember the exact number). Planet Earth is invaded by an alien race that hides as parasitic organisms in human bodies. The "alien" resistance gives the kids the ability to transform to animals but for a limited amount of time. That time was 2? Hours? I don't remember... What i do remember is when the time limit expires the kids were forced to stay in that form forever. There was also another case... When transformed the kids were sometimes overcome by the instinct of the animal in which they transformed into. I remember reading a point where they were transformed into ants and they were overcome by the "collective behavior" of the colony the ants had. 

Now remember the saying "Fake it, till you make it."? I believe the changelings are able to experience immersion in a much deeper and dangerous way. Should they transform into somepony or something for more than their mental capabilities can handle... they are lost in it. They start believing that they are really the one they depict. 

My headcanon says that this might MIGHT have been immersion stress. Because if she was lost... who leads the changelings? 

A non-headcanon approach of mine explains this sorta differently but with the same purpose. She has a plan, something to do... she needs to attend to it and make it happen. She doesn't have time to deal with the preparations of the wedding and she is rather anxious/stressed/impatient to see this happen. She has a purpose after all... So she gives Rarity extra work, she hates being interrupted by Minuette/Colgate (It was her right?) due to her highly authoritarian attitude (Also her opinion doesn't matter in the end and she makes it apparent in her own way), and she doesn't like Pinkie's party because let's face it... it's a party for low age people. Maybe it's because she doesn't have that kind of parties that she hates them... As for Twilight... she waved her flank IN HER FACE!!! I consider this quite embarrassing... i wouldn't speak to a pony that did this to me. Unless i knew that pony, and unless i wasn't a princess to be taken seriously for this matter!!! 

So yea... that's my explanation. Nothing is done with no reason....

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

@nioniosbbb Well done, you got the Animorphs right. 5 of them (to start with, more are added later) and the limit is indeed 2 hours. And I think your ideas on "immersion" are indeed accurate. I also think a changeling, if playing a role too long, could be lost to it.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

@, 
 
If i had to say something about the changelings i would say that "love" isn't exactly what it sounds. If love was a form of feeding why not make a bordello and get on with it? No i think love translates to "life". You know the saying that goes "Life without love is no life at all?" I believe the changelings are somehow losing life the most common attribute/reason i can give to this is that they suffer from some sort of disease.

You know the demons from World of Warcraft? When they invade a world they look for the primary source of magic in order to consume it and grow stronger. If now we see that the magic of the world is sometimes equal to the magic of life itself... then demons actually seek life. It's their source of strength and sustenance. Now if we take the explanation of hasbro that changelings are actually ponies "grotesque" ponies to be exact, then we can actually say that the changelings are not demons. So why do they search for love? Or life for that matter...

My own headcanon says that the changelings had some encounter with demonic entities. Those entities managed to corrupt the changelings. The changelings managed to somehow keep their free will but essence of the demonic entities remained in their bodies. This resulted in a curse that ended up "eating" their "magic" or "life" from the inside creating the holes that the changelings have. The more "hungry" a changeling is the more holes they get. I believe the most common death for a changeling in massive internal organ failure due to this.

I have more... you just ask me.

[Malinter 3,064]

Chrysallis isn't used to dealing with others with free will. Its that simple. She's a queen, she's used to people not questioning what she says. How pissed off would she be if any of her changlings just turned around and said 'No' to an order she gave?

 

And more to the point, Cadence isn't exactly an easy act either, In fact as it turned out, her act fell completely flat the instant anyone Cadence knew or if she stayed around people too long her facade started slipping.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

A non-headcanon approach of mine explains this sorta differently but with the same purpose. She has a plan, something to do... she needs to attend to it and make it happen. She doesn't have time to deal with the preparations of the wedding and she is rather anxious/stressed/impatient to see this happen. She has a purpose after all... So she gives Rarity extra work, she hates being interrupted by Minuette/Colgate (It was her right?) due to her highly authoritarian attitude (Also her opinion doesn't matter in the end and she makes it apparent in her own way), and she doesn't like Pinkie's party because let's face it... it's a party for low age people. Maybe it's because she doesn't have that kind of parties that she hates them... As for Twilight... she waved her flank IN HER FACE!!! I consider this quite embarrassing... i wouldn't speak to a pony that did this to me. Unless i knew that pony, and unless i wasn't a princess to be taken seriously for this matter!!! 

 

So yea... that's my explanation. Nothing is done with no reason....

Yes, but her plan could have been enacted at any time at all. She was slowly draining the life and concentration from Shining Armor. She probably could have started the invasion at any time. However, she says that even though she don't care jack for him, she still wants him to belong to her, which is why the wedding had to come before the invasion. So, really, what is it that she needs to do? Just wait a few more hours for the wedding. Everything else is set up. Her army is busy pounding away at the shield, she's busy getting ready for the wedding and stealing a little more of his life where she can. However she uses that time is irrelevant so long as the end result is the wedding.

 

As for Twilight's flank waving...it's part of their 'secret hoofshake.' Cadence is supposed to know it. That she acts weirded out by it is what ultimately makes Twilight suspicious in the first place.  When she follows it up with, "It's me, Twilight." She doesn't backtrack and think, "Oh, crap. I'm supposed to know this pony." It's "Meh, whatever." Which only further pissed Twilight off and deepened her suspicions. Okay, she wouldn't want to do the dance, but if she had only worked a little on placating Twilight, the ONE, SINGLE pony who actually thought anything was amiss, she would have won. As she said she didn't care about anything but her end goal of marrying Shining Armor and her army invading. The cake, the reception, the dress. She herself says she doesn't care about any of them, so why not just pretend to like them to stop Twilight glaring at you? Problem solved.

 

End speech. 

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

@nioniosbbb Brilliant. Just brilliant. I do think you are on the right lines when it comes to the Changelings  it does seem to fit. Feel free to PM me more stuff, as it may not be wise to clutter this thread up, and I could use the material do a scientific analysis on the Changelings.

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

A good question, and I might have a somewhat plausible answer.  Her ultimate goal is to not get caught.  In order to not get caught, she needs to have as little social interaction with others as is necessary.  She does this by disliking all of the work that is done for the wedding, thus making sure that everyone is constantly busy trying to fix it.  She also needs to feign a crabby mood (blamed on the stress of trying to make the wedding perfect) so that others won't even want to socialize with her unless strictly necessary.  That way, the only pony that she really needs to put on an act for is Shining Armor, and she has her magic to deal with that.

[Abstract 832]

There's one important piece of information I think that we are missing; exactly how long was Chrysalis' facade as Cadence going on before the Mane 6 showed up? I mean, her plan was clearly a mapped out affair, not just a spur-of-the-moment "hay guiz lets invade Canterlot lol"; she couldn't have just started imprisioning and impersonating Cadence that very day, otherwise Shining Armor, if no one else, would have noticed something amiss.

 

What I believe, is that perhaps she was much earlier than shown in her facade as Cadence, and in those times she was probably doing a much better job of playing the part; But her desire to see her hard work and planning succeed made her anxious, impatient and led her to carelessness (since she had already had everyone fooled up to the point of Twilight coming in the picture). And, in her rush to achieve all that she wanted, let down her guard and let enough slip to arose Twi's suspicions. Furthermore, after Twilight confronted her at the pre-reception, she is shown to have nearly blown her own cover before slyly hiding her tracks and playing the sob card like one might expect; however, with as massive of a freakout as she must have been having in her own head, she rashly decided to "re-locate" the problem to be as best hidden as she could think, instead of taking the time to think and realize that she almost definitely would have been better off doing nothing to Twi.

 

So.... yeah, my "theory" if you will.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Yes, but her plan could have been enacted at any time at all. She was slowly draining the life and concentration from Shining Armor. She probably could have started the invasion at any time.

On the same note you could say that Princess Celestia could have cancelled the wedding in order to find the invader and capture/eliminate him/her. Remember the moment Shining Armor was showing her spell to Twilight? The shield was already up... Shining Armor was just powering it up. Which means that Shining Armor acted more like a power-source rather than some sort of Goliath holding the shield up. Chrysalis didn't just need to get in, and disable Shining Armor... she needed him disabled and the shield broken down. Which means she had to fool everyone for long enough in order to hide the fact that the shield was not being powered-up properly. Then she had to gather the army in order to actually break the weaker shield.

 

Now if you ask me with a cancelled wedding the guards and the rest would have a lot more free time to actually find her and suspect this. Probably Queen Chrysalis convinced them that doing that would discourage the enemy and the changelings would just wait until the right time... probably sometime later after the ponies "eased-up". The thing is however that while the wedding was protected... the city was extremely busy which probably meant that the changelings and she, had more time to fool everyone. Who would suspect that Shining Armor was under a spell if everyone was too busy looking elsewhere to notice it?

 

Also she knew that she just couldn't fool EVERYONE. Eventually someone would discover her... like Twilight. Maybe her "being rude" was part of her plan. Remember... Twilight didn't even know about the changelings before the wedding, she didn't even think that her "beloved" foalsitter had just... changed. She grew up, and so could Cadence have... there is no evidence that they met regurarly during AFTER the time Cadence was her foalsitter-to the point where she was her brother's bride. She hadn't even met her brother for an Equal amount of time for all we know... 

 

Twilight Sparkle didn't know she was a changeling/impostor! She just thought Cadence, or at least the "present" Cadence was not the right mare for her brother! It was only after she saw that spell being cast on Shining Armor that she considered of Cadence being "evil"... Still at that time... SHE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS A CHANGELING. She got paranoid and started blatantly accusing everyone that they didn't notice how "evil" or "mean" she was... Queen Chrysalis just had to "boohoo" cry and Twilight was out of the game...

 

How do you prove your false point? My busting an arguement saying that it is "false". Who would question her if such suspicions were proven to be incorrect? Would anyone even consider of posing the same question again? No...

 

There is a legislation or something like that i think? You can't be acussed of the same crim twice. She used it... bingo.

 

 

 

she almost definitely would have been better off doing nothing to Twi.

Maybe she thought she couldn't take the risk... Probably she should have killed both Cadence and Twilight when she had the chance since she has proven that she is by far stronger than both of them... or can be. 

 

@, Will do my friend... when i get the time. In the meantime feel free to read my fanfic that contains a lot of headcanon about the changelings linked in the signature. Still being written.

Edited October 17, 2013 by nioniosbbbb

[Abstract 832]

 

Maybe she thought she couldn't take the risk... Probably she should have killed both Cadence and Twilight when she had the chance since she has proven that she is by far stronger than both of them... or can be. 

 

Well, whatever her justification for the action, it goes back to what I said: most people don't make the soundest of decisions when under pressure, or in the heat of the moment; had Chrysalis taken more than a minute to consider possible outcomes of her actions, she may have very well decided to go about the whole thing differently, and IMO, probably should have.

[Fhaolan 4,484]

You get the feeling that Chrysalis didn't do enough research for this plan of hers. It's entirely possible she behaved this way because that's what she thought 'princesses' act like. She didn't actually study Cadence's behavior, Shining's family history, or pretty much anything other than immediate cosmetic stuff. Old cheese-legs isn't a very good planner, really.

[Megas 27,787]

 

I don't see any other reason than her being evil. She was already planning on taking over Canterlot/Equestria, so I doubt she'd care about the people she was manipulating

[FNGRpony 658]

Maybe feeding off love makes you a jerk?

Maybe she's always been like that.

 

I mean we can go on and on,

and the more you ask this if she doesn't show up in season 4 i'm gonna be cheesed lol

[Forlong 1,726]

Imagine Cruella DeVille having to blend in at Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.  She'd go nuts.

 

That's what it was like for Chrysalis.  She wasn't used to being around such friendly and compassionate creatures, and it got on her nerves.

[FNGRpony 658]

Imagine Cruella DeVille having to blend in at Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.  She'd go nuts.

 

That's what it was like for Chrysalis.  She wasn't used to being around such friendly and compassionate creatures, and it got on her nerves.

 

 

I can buy that but she didn't seem to try LOL.

I mean you ever deal with someone being fake nice?

I mean even if you loath someone,

 

you could put up a better front than she did lol.

 

Remember discord pretending to be nice?

I mean everyone saw through it lol,

 

but even that was a better front.

Edited October 18, 2013 by FNGRpony

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

Imagine Cruella DeVille having to blend in at Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.  She'd go nuts.

 

That's what it was like for Chrysalis.  She wasn't used to being around such friendly and compassionate creatures, and it got on her nerves.

Of course she wouldn't be able to pull off Cadence perfectly, given the scenes of Twilight replanning the wedding preparations, but there are villains who get a real kick out of deceiving the heroes as to their real intentions, and revealing it at the moment it will hurt them the most.   As she states herself, Chrysalis had never been in an area filled with so much love. That shouldn't have annoyed her, given it's exactly what they need to feed on. The more the better.

[FNGRpony 658]

Of course she wouldn't be able to pull off Cadence perfectly, given the scenes of Twilight replanning the wedding preparations, but there are villains who get a real kick out of deceiving the heroes as to their real intentions, and revealing it at the moment it will hurt them the most.   As she states herself, Chrysalis had never been in an area filled with so much love. That shouldn't have annoyed her, given it's exactly what they need to feed on. The more the better.

 

 

Wait did you suggest maybe Chyslesial should maybe on a emotional high?  I mean drown ding in love.  Heh that would been interesting to.

It would been one thing if she slipped up now and again,

 

and tried to back track, however  the changeling queen acts with all the stealth of a troll trying to get banned on the first day on a forum.

she has the biggest case of "who gives a buck."

 

If she was unable to fake nice, i really would need to see her around her hive smacking people around like mom from Futurama,

who by the way can still fake nice LOL. 

Edited October 20, 2013 by FNGRpony

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

I know this might be considered spamming but... they are "story" songs. While i don't embrace them in their whole... i believe they provide some interesting insight. Not fully correct of course but... yea.

[Koelath 445]

It's what's called the Idiot Ball. Sometimes to progress a plot to the proper ends, people have to be really really really dumb.