Love and Tolerate: Time for a change.

[Shanks 10,816]

Loving and tolerating isn't bad per se but the way some people have used it as a weapon to attack people they disagree with and attempt to treat the fandom like it is some kind of religion does need to change. Calling all non fans "haters" isn't exactly fair or accurate for that matter so there needs to be a bit more discernment between actual haters that go out of their way to hate on bronies and people who the show is simply not their cup of tea. Calling people with different opinions on plot twists, character of what have you in the show "haters" is also not a good thing. While I have seen some people over react to twilicorn I have also seen this holier than thou take it or leave it attitude of some of its supporters even toward people with legitimate differences of opinion. As for haters in general they like it when we give them attention so I don't waste my time responding to their BS.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

Firstly, "Love and Tolerance" isn't something all bronies -- and by bronies I mean A) those willing to call themselves bronies and B ) those who share the common interest of the show -- subscribe to. It's a choice and not one all choose to make. 

 

Secondly, just how are you looking at the fandom? We're not some kind of a tribe or nation. While it'd be nice if we got along like a very healthy community, it's more of a bonus rather than a requirement as with all fandoms out there.

 

Third... There's something I suspect about people who adhere too tightly to the show's ideals and that's their authenticity. Is it really you I'm talking to or is it this mask called "Love and Tolerance" or "True Brony"? Don't sacrifice your true character for these ideals. I wouldn't know how such a degree of silliness could even be measured.

 

Really, I'm under the impression that all of this wouldn't be a thing if the subtitle wasn't "Friendship is Magic."

 

So yeah... As for dealing with haters... Well, it's sort of a general skill set and should be treated as such. Generally speaking, try and figure out what perspectives, approaches and procedures would help you to not get stressed or avoid harm when confronted with said haters. If it's purely on the internet then it's mostly a matter of not getting stressed from haters.

Edited March 20, 2014 by SunBurn

[The Soldier 2,044]

 

 

Uh.

 

Love and Tolerance is what keeps this fandom together!

 

You want us to go back to 4chan and become rabid monkeys again?!

 

In case you didn't know, the earliest bronies were some very mean people before the term of "love and tolerance" was introduced.

 

"Love and Tolerance" was incorporated into the fandom by the teachings of the show!

 

Honesty, Generosity, Kindness, Laughter, Loyalty and Wisdom (Magic) is love and tolerance my friend.

 

The show already tells us to stand up and be firm without sacrificing kindness and compassion for that person.

 

Bronies are just sitting here dodging insult after insult gracefully and now you want us to fight with them instead of let the haters hate?

 

Have you ever heard of the term "turning the other cheek"? All we will be doing is "feeding the trolls" if we fight back. We must let the hate die on its own.

 

"Love and Tolerance" is the act of turning the other cheek at a hater, we dont have to enforce them to watch the show! Yeah we can defend our right to watch it but we dont, and I mean dont fight back.. Hell if we teach this fandom to start hating then we will fear the haters and they will fear us! We dont want that! Not over some goddam show about cartoon ponies!

 

 

 

 

You want to know what this "Love and Tolerance" has done with this fandom thats never been done before?

 

It's made most bronies %50 nicer than your everyday person, It's stopped multiple suicide attempts, Bronies donated over $70,000 in funds to a brony who was made fun of for liking mlp, and attempted to hang himself and failed, he was in a coma for a while and now he has been breathing for over 78 hours thanks to our support(here and here). We've donated to multiple funds and charities through "seeds of kindness" and so so much more.

First off, "Love and Tolerate" was a meme originated from 4chan. So basically, we are following an advice the earliest bronies (you would call it) made, which means we basically follow an advice made by mean people for mockery, not by nice people to spread their kindness.

 

Love and Tolerance also did NOT stop multiple suicides, nor make them nicer. Because it's so overused, it's more of god damn annoying. The reason why most of us are so nice is because we have morals and goodwill, nothing more. Following some advice (which, as I said, is an overused, way-so-2010 meme) is like blind faith to me

[Remi 1,309]

So, the fandom has been around awhile now, and like all new fandoms, or new ways of doing things, it had to be built up on something. For the bronies, the fandom was built up largely with one thing in mind: Love and Tolerate. Well my friends, it is time to change. As most of you know, the term Love and Tolerate wasn't originally used by bronies, but was actually used by internet trolls throughout 4chan for a decent amount of time. The term was then taken to heart by bronies and has been used throughout the fandom ever since. This has had some good repercussions, but at the same time, it has made us a very easy target. I would like to compare the term Love and Tolerate to the Articles of Confederation of The United States.

 

      Little history lesson. The Articles of Confederation were formed to help bring a small amount of order to the U.S. during the Revolutionary War. This was the first constitution. But this constitution had issues. How did they solve it? They decided that as a nation, they would come together and figure out how to change these issues. After a few years of discussion, they came to a conclusion and eventually The Great Compromise was created, bringing the Federalists - people who supported change - and the Anti-Federalists - the people who supported the current ways - together.

 

      That is exactly what we as a fandom need to do. We need to fix the issues that this term brings to the fandom. The issues I see, for example are stuff like how people treat us. I am teased and made fun of all the time. Are you not tired of this? Personally, I am tired of being treated like a damn doormat! I believe, that if we take this term that we have written across our flags, and make into something bigger, and better, that maybe we will be treated differently. Whether that means just tweaking the words themselves, just tweaking the meaning, or even just a whole new term all together. We NEED to change.

 

      So my question for all of you is this: Do you think we need to change? If so, what are your ideas? I would love to hear some of them. And if you don't think we need to change, then explain why you feel this way. Thanks for reading.

>"internet trolls throughout 4chan..."

Ugh why do so many people treat 4chan and its users like low-life scum? We wouldn't be here without /co/ and /b/ boards.

 

>"taken to heart by the bronies..."

Pfft, sure, if 'taking to heart means acting like a total jackass and hypocrite and thinking saying 'Love and Tolerate' compensates for everything.

(I'm talking about a select group of brones, so don't torch me yet.)

 

>"I am teased and made fun of all the time..."

Boohoo. There are people who are going through much worse things other than being made fun of for liking ponies.

 

>"are you not tired of this?!"

Well If you're like a show about cartoon horses I think you should have been prepared for that to occur.

 

Why, yes, we do need to change; we need to stop thinking we're the big cheese because we like a girl-oriented show. Woohoo, it was shocking the first few weeks, but now it's 2014, and no one really cares about it anymore, and if people still make fun of you, and you still feel offended, you need to step up.

 

Also, we need to get the hardcore bronies to shut up about how much they love MLP, which the practically broadcast to anyone near them, and thus giving this whole fandom an awful look.

 

And before you torch me,

 

*prepares to be burnt alive at the stake*

 

This is all my opinion.

[man dude man 555]

Love and Tolerance are walks of life, ideologies if you will. 4chan trolls may try to take the credit for trying to make a joke out of a beautiful thing, but thats because they really don't have to much of anything to want to take credit for. You should want to tolerate people. If you think that it's a joke than you are leading a joke of a life as a human being, if you aren't willing to accept other human beings for who and what they truly are, it's more than likely because you yourself have yet to be fully accepted for the animal you really are, and you need to find actual love and tolerance to help you embrace what it's actually about.

[TheChosenPony 279]

First off, "Love and Tolerate" was a meme originated from 4chan. So basically, we are following an advice the earliest bronies (you would call it) made, which means we basically follow an advice made by mean people for mockery, not by nice people to spread their kindness.

 

Love and Tolerance also did NOT stop multiple suicides, nor make them nicer. Because it's so overused, it's more of god damn annoying. The reason why most of us are so nice is because we have morals and goodwill, nothing more. Following some advice (which, as I said, is an overused, way-so-2010 meme) is like blind faith to me

I will repeat myself:

 

Honesty, Generosity, Kindness, Laughter, Loyalty and Wisdom (Magic) is love and tolerance my friend.

 

This fandom has taken these "elements of harmony" to affect, using then as "love and tolerance" that was once used to make fun of us

 

Okay, so the fact that this whole community is gentrified proves my point, this whole fandom proves my point.

 

Bam! Searched this forum for suicide and got this 

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/85824-i-want-to-die/page-2?hl=suicide#entry2333727

 

Did you even click any of those links? The fact that the brony community alone donated over $70,000 for this kid obliterates the meaning of your argument.

[Colorful Respawn 399]

If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. can change the way we look at different races, then we bronies can change the way the world looks at us!

[Remi 1,309]

Love and Tolerance are walks of life, ideologies if you will. 4chan trolls may try to take the credit for trying to make a joke out of a beautiful thing, but thats because they really don't have to much of anything to want to take credit for. You should want to tolerate people. If you think that it's a joke than you are leading a joke of a life as a human being, if you aren't willing to accept other human beings for who and what they truly are, it's more than likely because you yourself have yet to be fully accepted for the animal you really are, and you need to find actual love and tolerance to help you embrace what it's actually about.

Okay first off 4chan actually was where Love and Tolerate originated, and secondly, 4chan is full of great people, if you actually look.

>"if you think that it's a joke then you are leading a joke of a life..."

whoa man, easy on the philosophy pills.

 

He's talking about the meme "Love & Tolerate", not the moral norm.

 

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I will repeat myself:

 

Honesty, Generosity, Kindness, Laughter, Loyalty and Wisdom (Magic) is love and tolerance my friend.

 

This fandom has taken these "elements of harmony" to affect, using then as "love and tolerance" that was once used to make fun of us

 

Okay, so the fact that this whole community is gentrified proves my point, this whole fandom proves my point.

 

Bam! Searched this forum for suicide and got this

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/85824-i-want-to-die/page-2?hl=suicide#entry2333727

 

Did you even click any of those links? The fact that the brony community alone donated over $70,000 for this kid obliterates the meaning of your argument.

Okay, it's very good that a life was stopped from ending because of it, but hardcore bronies plaster the saying all ober the place and expect eir actions to be justified. They're extremely hypocritical, and the main reason why people don't like this fandom.

 

Love and tolerance has more examples bad use than good use, honestly.

 

If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. can change the way we look at different races, then we bronies can change the way the world looks at us!

Please, please don't compare something as silly and non-important in the progression of life to what miraculous triumphs MLK had. Edited March 20, 2014 by deadmau5

[Solid 1,327]

Love and tolerate the people, dish out all you got on the topic.

 

One common problem of Internet discussions, personal insults rather than actually focusing on topic.

 

What I think our definition of love and tolerate is, forget the personal insults, focus on topic!

 

In other words, we can troll without getting into trouble, such as

 

"Your argument is not valid, b/c blablabla" yep, Love and tolerate, while trolling like a boss, with actual facts and evidence.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Solid Scorpion

[TheChosenPony 279]

Okay first off 4chan actually was where Love and Tolerate originated, and secondly, 4chan is full of great people, if you actually look.

>"if you think that it's a joke then you are leading a joke of a life..."

whoa man, easy on the philosophy pills.

 

He's talking about the meme "Love & Tolerate", not the moral norm.

 

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Okay, it's very good that a life was stopped from ending because of it, but hardcore bronies plaster the saying all ober the place and expect eir actions to be justified. They're extremely hypocritical, and the main reason why people don't like this fandom.

 

Love and tolerance has more examples bad use than good use, honestly.

 

Please, please don't compare something as silly and non-important in the progression of life to what miraculous triumphs MLK had.

 

Thats exactly what I'm referring to, the fandom took an insult and turned it around.

 

This fandom is probably one of the most caring, kindest group I have stumbled upon since christianity.

 

I mean the alone fact that even a simple status update about suicide will get users from all over this thread to post discouragement toward suicide

 

Heres one example.

 

All I want to know is how is it bad? The meme and the moral concept.

 

The meme has been dead for ever, and now bronies are taking it literally, which is a good thing

Okay, it's very good that a life was stopped from ending because of it, but hardcore bronies plaster the saying all ober the place and expect eir actions to be justified. They're extremely hypocritical, and the main reason why people don't like this fandom.

 

I haven't really seen that anywhere, unless your talking about the uber fake troll bronies who go around with their "love and tolerance" and diss people off then I've met a few of them

[Remi 1,309]

Thats exactly what I'm referring to, the fandom took an insult and turned it around.

 

This fandom is probably one of the most caring, kindest group I have stumbled upon since christianity.

 

I mean the alone fact that even a simple status update about suicide will get users from all over this thread to post discouragement toward suicide

 

Heres one example.

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All I want to know is how is it bad? The meme and the moral concept.

 

The meme has been dead for ever, and now bronies are taking it literally, which is a good thing

 

I haven't really seen that anywhere, unless your talking about the uber fake troll bronies who go around with their "love and tolerance" and diss people off then I've met a few of them

4channers weren't really insulting brones, they were merely poking fun at the show.

 

Christians aren't really the most caring and loving people I've met, even worse when I am an Atheist.

 

Well duh, I mean, isn't that pretty much a social law?

Other than that, that picture doesn't involve love and tolerate, so, it's not too relevant.

Also, awhile back, I posted a status saying "If I could kill myself, I would."

You know how many comments I got?

 

0.

No help from anyone on here.

 

I never said it was bad; the poster was simply taking Scout's post way out of proportion. Neither are bad.

 

Well they took it literally at the beginning, and have yet to get hypocricy out of the system, so. :v

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

To the person that thinks 4Chan is full of great people(and no, I'm not dissing because I like lurking /x/ and it does do productive things for the internet from time to time even if /mlp/ devolved into a shit-hole after it pretty much merged with /b/ and turned into elitist assholes)

 

 

On topic. As nice as it would be, you really can't police a fandom because it's a huge and deserve group of people. All you can do is not condone the assholism in the hopes it doesn't spread. 

[Adente 1,000]

We aren't a government, so we can't draw parallels to one. We're a group of people who like a cartoon and talk about it on the internet. Not quite the same thing as the framing of the Constitution. 

[man dude man 555]

Okay first off 4chan actually was where Love and Tolerate originated, and secondly, 4chan is full of great people, if you actually look.

>"if you think that it's a joke then you are leading a joke of a life..."

whoa man, easy on the philosophy pills.

 

He's talking about the meme "Love & Tolerate", not the moral norm.

 

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Okay, it's very good that a life was stopped from ending because of it, but hardcore bronies plaster the saying all ober the place and expect eir actions to be justified. They're extremely hypocritical, and the main reason why people don't like this fandom.

 

Love and tolerance has more examples bad use than good use, honestly.

 

Please, please don't compare something as silly and non-important in the progression of life to what miraculous triumphs MLK had.

I'm talking about the ideologies the show follows, 4chan didnt create "Love and tolerance" as ideas is all that I am stating, if you love and tolerate somebody you surely would tolerate their perspective on not wanting to objectify decent human morals and principles into a meme that is spoken jokingly. I mean we are talking about the MAGIC OF FRIENDSHIP, and lets not even get started on their individual contributions through their elements of harmony. If Trolls want something to be proud of so bad, heres an idea, why not actually love and tolerate people, and not boast about internet meme achievements that amount to nothing, and actually live by the principles, becasue they sure are principles and morals to be proud of.

Edited March 20, 2014 by FlutterZ93

[Remi 1,309]

To the person that thinks 4Chan is full of great people(and no, I'm not dissing because I like lurking /x/ and it does do productive things for the internet from time to time even if /mlp/ devolved into a shit-hole after it pretty much merged with /b/ and turned into elitist assholes)

 

 

I knew you'd come to me Shoboni.

 

Now, tell me more about why I should reconsider my opinion and dislike 4chan based on your views.

[TheChosenPony 279]

4channers weren't really insulting brones, they were merely poking fun at the show.

 

Christians aren't really the most caring and loving people I've met, even worse when I am an Atheist.

 

Well duh, I mean, isn't that pretty much a social law?

Other than that, that picture doesn't involve love and tolerate, so, it's not too relevant.

Also, awhile back, I posted a status saying "If I could kill myself, I would."

You know how many comments I got?

 

0.

No help from anyone on here.

 

I never said it was bad; the poster was simply taking Scout's post way out of proportion. Neither are bad.

 

Well they took it literally at the beginning, and have yet to get hypocricy out of the system, so. :v

 

Thats because you don't have any online friends (on this website) silly! They're on sale all over the website for the price of free.

 

Also, if you said you would kill yourself in a public video, there would be thousands of millions of responses, who do you think you are, deadmau5? not famous or something?

[Remi 1,309]

Thats because you don't have any online friends (on this website) silly! They're on sale all over the website for the price of free.

 

Also, if you said you would kill yourself in a public video, there would be thousands of millions of responses, who do you think you are, deadmau5? not famous or something?

Oh silly me, I forgot I have to be friends with people so they can give a shit about me.

 

[correct response]

[TheChosenPony 279]

Oh silly me, I forgot I have to be friends with people so they can give a shit about me.

 

[correct response]

 

Well no, you have to friend them on the website so they can be notified of your status change

Edited March 20, 2014 by TheChosenPony

[Remi 1,309]

Well no, you have to friend them on the website so they can be notified of your status change

On home page (index.php?), the most recent 5 status updates will be shown for everyone to view, so I don't really have to add them, it really all depends if anyone cares or not.

[TheChosenPony 279]

On home page (index.php?), the most recent 5 status updates will be shown for everyone to view, so I don't really have to add them, it really all depends if anyone cares or not.

 

Well I for one, dont pay attention to that and cut to the forums part 

[Remi 1,309]

Well I for one, dont pay attention to that and cut to the forums part

 

This only strengthens my point of "...it really all depends if anyone cares or not."

[TheChosenPony 279]

This only strengthens my point of "...it really all depends if anyone cares or not."

Welp, I care, but all im here for is mostly for forums- I'm not sure about everyone else's opinion though

 

I dont go sifting through status updates all the time, but when I do, (I drink dos equis) If I see a suicidal update, I'll encourage that person to keep going strong. I like to do that anyway. Makes me feel good inside. 

Edited March 20, 2014 by TheChosenPony

[man dude man 555]

You found one starving for attention, let him take pride in generating an anonymous meme that was generated in sarcastic ill intent in the little to no regard of other human life. Keep feeding him if you will, he will keep eating, and attempting to spit it back in your face, he's correct, love and tolerance is about accepting everyone for who they are, and the prideful, internet narcissists will come around, that or they will remain alone and emotionally and sexually repressed, and they will continue looking for confrontations with genuine people on forum sites because it is the pathetic highlight of their week aside from posting nude pictures to /b/ and making someone cry.

[Ribbonfree 2,383]

To the person that thinks 4Chan is full of great people(and no, I'm not dissing because I like lurking /x/ and it does do productive things for the internet from time to time even if /mlp/ devolved into a shit-hole after it pretty much merged with /b/ and turned into elitist assholes)

 

 

On topic. As nice as it would be, you really can't police a fandom because it's a huge and deserve group of people. All you can do is not condone the assholism in the hopes it doesn't spread. 

 

Lemmie defend the Chan real quick, even though this conversation has otherwise advanced beyond the point where I care about it. Everyone is a terrible person in some respect. 4 Chan is just honest about that fact. That's why they're respectable, in my opinion. I also admire the power of anonymity, Moot's made quite a few good points on it and how it promotes free idea exchange (for good and ill) if you follow him on Tumblr.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Little Black Dress

[man dude man 555]

Lemmie defend the Chan real quick, even though this conversation has otherwise advanced beyond the point where I care about it. Everyone is a terrible person in some respect. 4 Chan is just honest about that fact. That's why they're respectable, in my opinion. I also admire the power of anonymity, Moot's made quite a few good points on it and how it promotes free idea exchange (for good and ill) if you follow him on Tumblr.

Nobody ever debated that honesty was a bad thing, but it's something you work off of. You don't say "You know what, to be honest, I'm a terrible person, but I am going to treat you like crap, but it's okay, because I am being honest about it". Thats like saying "well he admitted to killing the guy, but ya know what, I don't think hes to bad, at least he owned up to it, maybe we should let it slide". I am just saying that I am here to accept and love, and what not, but some time tough love comes into play, and trolls are the ones who need it, not the ones who need to be dishing it out. If you are a piece quit telling yourself that coming to terms with the piece that you are makes it okay. People should want to improve themselves, if not for humanitys sake but for the sake of their own well being, and future interpersonal relations. The one thing the OP was right about is that we are a collective, we are a collective that all love the same ideas (supposedly, those of us who aren't forum trolling) and those ideas revolve around the moral principles of the show. I will refrain from using "love and tolerate" because I was recently informed 4chan trolls decided to get jobs and can afford to trade mark the words for their own. However, share kindness, and generosity, it's a good thing to be "honest", but all in good fun and laughter, and stay LOYAL and TRUE to what it is you CLAIM TO BELIEVE IN, guess that could kind of go with being honest and genuine. Then lets be friends.