Do you feel sorry for Diamond Tiara?

[Azureth 687]

After knowing more of her backstory and redemption, do you feel sorry for her in spite of what all she did before?

[They call me Loyalty 1,951]

It was evident Diamond tiara didn't receive much affection from her family. She needs attention but fears rejection. Projecting onto others the same judgmental view she measures herself with, because of feeling unwanted. This is how I perceive it.

Yes, seeing things from her perspective made me feel somehow identified.

[cmarston1 5,962]

A little.

I really liked how she was handled in Crusaders of the Lost Mark, one of the few reformations in the show that I actually like.

However it is a bit sad she never really got to do anything else afterward.

[Yoshi89 5,293]

Diamond Tiara has become a well-written character now that we got to see what her family is like. She's the product of a much-implied loveless marriage and the target of abuse by Spoiled Rich. For anyone with an abusive parent, that does hit close to home.

 

 

Her characterization from the Election arc from the comic was well-done. It helps that Apple Bloom looked genuinely shocked to hear that Filthy became too busy for her since he became mayor.

 

[Violet_S 785]

Yep, I really do after seeing the type of mother she has >.< She just didnt receive the attention she needed from her family and she was trying to find it outside of her family.. maybe not in the best way possible but she's still a filly so I can understand why she acted the way she did in the first place. 

[BlueStreak98 828]

The more I've read into it, the more I do feel bad for her. I can say from experience it's not easy to be in a house like that.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

I suppose. I mean I feel sorry for her character in the since of the situation she came from, and the fact it is hits home on what a lot of children go through, but I actually kind of liked her as a CMC foil. It also bugs me a little that we have not seen much of the CMCs classmates in any meaningful episodes unless you want to count the Cart Before the Ponies?

[ggg-2 3,553]

No, why would i? Not only did her reason for being a bully come the buck outta nowhere after 5 straight seasons of her having no other characterization, said reason has been cliche for decades. i can excuse the CMC getting their cutie marks, but everything else about Lost Mark was one giant ass pull.

[Luigi 7,871]

Yes I do. We all see the evidence that Spoiled Rich was a bad influence on Diamond Tiara. Telling her not to hang around with the crusaders because she thinks they're lowlives.

 

Spoiled Rich cared for Diamond Tiara since she was a baby, and when she gets older, she makes her think dark thoughts of middle class ponies? You just don't do that to your own daughter. By that meaning, does Spoiled Rich think Diamond Tiara was a lowlife before she got her cutie mark? Does she really think it's okay to set your own child up to be a bully? When Diamond Tiara is grown up, married, and eventually carrying a baby inside of her, she'll remember how much of a bad influence Spoiled Rich was and vow to herself to never make that same mistake upon her children.

[Odd Ball 231]

I feel more sorry for Silver Spoon, it's clear Diamond Tiara didn't treat her as a friend.

Edited February 19, 2017 by Odd Ball

[Olsen1987 133]

yes, thanks to that song of hers.
really stirred up some feelings.

[Zachary 5,522]

I felt sorry for Diamond Tiara, I used to not like Her but then I watched Crusaders of the Lost Mark and now I do Like her a Little bit.

[Le Trotteur Sauvage 13,053]

Yeah kinda. She's still young and by growing up she'll probably change...well I hope...
That doesn't mean I approve her behaviour, in fact I want to slap that bitch, but I know that's not really her fault. She just need friend, to open up to other, see that money is not everything and especially in equestria where rich people don't have as power as we have in our shitty world !
To be honest I don't feel bad I feel sad for her.

[SBaby 660]

No, why would i? Not only did her reason for being a bully come the buck outta nowhere after 5 straight seasons of her having no other characterization,

 

Kids that are abused or mistreated rarely advertise such, out of fear of retribution.  They are typically threatened by the ones abusing them that it'll be worse if they tell anyone.  And this is ten times harder if the person is a parent, teacher, or adult that watches over them, because they are a person of authority to them.

 

 

 

said reason has been cliche for decades.

 

If you feel that way then bullies in real life must be the most cliché of all to you.  A vast majority of real-life bullies are the way they are because they are abused at home and need an outlet.

 

 

That said, it felt more like she was raised to be bigoted.  Not so much that she was actually abused.  But the real villains in this situation were definitely her parents.

Edited February 19, 2017 by SBaby

[Lil Pip 775]

Kids that are abused or mistreated rarely advertise such, out of fear of retribution.  They are typically threatened by the ones abusing them that it'll be worse if they tell anyone.  And this is ten times harder if the person is a parent, teacher, or adult that watches over them, because they are a person of authority to them.

 

 

 

 

If you feel that way then bullies in real life must be the most cliché of all to you.  A vast majority of real-life bullies are the way they are because they are abused at home and need an outlet.

 

 

That said, it felt more like she was raised to be bigoted.  Not so much that she was actually abused.  But the real villains in this situation were definitely her parents.

Technically neglect is a type of abuse, so is psychological abuse or verbal. Granted it wasn't the worst kind of abuse, heck Luna showed more evidence of psychological neglect during her dream episode, than Diamond has shown here. But its definitely not a pleasant thing, and tensions would be high nonstop leading to restlessness and fatigue constantly, leading to easy boredom, boredom increases crime and drug use, general misbehavior. Plus not being told different, you believe the lies told by your parent, because it circulates so much in your head and you never hear a dissenting opinion. The CMC stood up to her, then helped her, then Diamond stood up to her mom, and if anything may end up helping her too as she was shown a new way to handle things. She will probably be good now.

 

And people think its not realistic, but it is. In elementary school I stood up to bullies, then befriended one later when we reflected on it on the way home from school. And that school was full of bullies. Ended up moving out of there. The bullying wasn't terrible tho, but continuously on my mind making me uneasy. I wonder if alot of middle-schools are that way(5th 6th grade)?

 

Back then I was actually a bully too out of fear, to teach others not to bother me, a self-defensive bully, except I bullied one friend a little then, still got along and helped that one tho. But it was funny when I pushed my thumb into his back while curling back the top of his shoulder/shoulder blade, then he would make a loud noise and the teacher would berate him, it was funny. I did that, because someone did it to me once.

 

After moving out I was still in the pre-emptive safety mindset for nearly a year, always quiet in the back of class to avoid confrontation, despite needing glasses, which I never wore, so I became good at listening to the teachers, and didn't even need to take notes after a while, and in class later in high school I would play the nintendo ds or nap in classes, a little sleep deprived cuz thats high school. Yet I almost never missed a class, and easily passed lazily. Never went to after-school activities. Didn't show up for graduation.

Edited February 19, 2017 by Lil Pip

[Scootaloo9074090 502]

On 2017-02-18 at 1:01 PM, Violet_S said:

Yep, I really do after seeing the type of mother she has >.< She just didnt receive the attention she needed from her family and she was trying to find it outside of her family.. maybe not in the best way possible but she's still a filly so I can understand why she acted the way she did in the first place. 

I kind of feel bad for her even diamond tiara did mock Scootaloo  handicapped  but now we know that her mother Spoiled rich is to blame for her behavior and I have forgiven diamond Tiara 

[CypherHoof 26,483]

1 minute ago, Scootaloo67575 said:

I kind of feel bad for her even diamond tiara did mock Scootaloo  handicapped  but now we know that her mother Spoiled rich is to blame for her behavior and I have forgiven diamond Tiara 

  I don't really feel, despite that being how the lost mark episode spins it, that her mother can take all the blame.

  Spoiled Milk didn't tell her daughter to specifically go after Scoots' flight disability, or to blackmail the ponies during the newspaper episode, or any of the other day-by-day meanness she showed. I mean, I get it - her mother was a terrible example, and was pressuring her to be the same. But her father knew better and was pushing her to treat everypony else with respect and politeness, and she could have as easily followed THAT advice instead.

  So really, it is more than she enjoyed being mean and abusive to ponies she considered less important than herself, and her reformation was more that she wanted to have friends and peers MORE than she enjoyed being a bully. I notice that even AFTER her big speech, she was still ordering ponies around - phrased more as suggestions, but while they were installing the playground equipment, she was still telling ponies what to do.

  Not that I think her reformation is fake - I just think it is a lot more like Discord's (where he was willing to trade some restraint on his actions in return for Fluttershy's good opinion of him) than a radical change in personality or attitude.

[Scootaloo9074090 502]

1 minute ago, CypherHoof said:

  I don't really feel, despite that being how the lost mark episode spins it, that her mother can take all the blame.

  Spoiled Milk didn't tell her daughter to specifically go after Scoots' flight disability, or to blackmail the ponies during the newspaper episode, or any of the other day-by-day meanness she showed. I mean, I get it - her mother was a terrible example, and was pressuring her to be the same. But her father knew better and was pushing her to treat everypony else with respect and politeness, and she could have as easily followed THAT advice instead.

  So really, it is more than she enjoyed being mean and abusive to ponies she considered less important than herself, and her reformation was more that she wanted to have friends and peers MORE than she enjoyed being a bully. I notice that even AFTER her big speech, she was still ordering ponies around - phrased more as suggestions, but while they were installing the playground equipment, she was still telling ponies what to do.

  Not that I think her reformation is fake - I just think it is a lot more like Discord's (where he was willing to trade some restraint on his actions in return for Fluttershy's good opinion of him) than a radical change in personality or attitude.

well diamond Tiara Special Talent is leadership and so Diamond Tiara is a good leader 

[Pentium100 2,262]

Not really. 

1. She's rich. If she does not want to, she would be able to love off the money without having to work, thoush she's proably going to work to get even more money.

2. It was her decison to bully the CMCs and that behavior is inexcusable. Her mother, while not ideal, did not put a gun to her head and order her to bully them or do the other bad things she did in the show.

2 minutes ago, CypherHoof said:

Not that I think her reformation is fake - I just think it is a lot more like Discord's (where he was willing to trade some restraint on his actions in return for Fluttershy's good opinion of him) than a radical change in personality or attitude.

This is probably a more realistic "reformation".

[CypherHoof 26,483]

3 hours ago, Scootaloo67575 said:

well diamond Tiara Special Talent is leadership and so Diamond Tiara is a good leader 

Not sure that's true. Her on interpretation is that her special talent is "getting others to do what she wants" which sounds more like a fasttalk/persuasion skill than leadership qualities.  We don't get to see the fillies a lot, but the only one that actually seems to show leadership skills is Applebloom.

[Scootaloo9074090 502]

20 minutes ago, CypherHoof said:

Not sure that's true. Her on interpretation is that her special talent is "getting others to do what she wants" which sounds more like a fasttalk/persuasion skill than leadership qualities.  We don't get to see the fillies a lot, but the only one that actually seems to show leadership skills is Applebloom.

At  least it isn't Carnage seriously That guy is a Psychopaths' good thing  Diamond Tiara or the Cutie Mark Crusader didn't meet  Carnage 

 

this guy can do Serious Damage to equestria  If he break losses and go on a Killing spee

Edited May 8, 2021 by shadow565787

[EpicEnergy 23,240]

Why should I? She wasn't abused in any way, shape, or form, nor did she have a tragic childhood. It was simply a perspective that was pushed on her by Spoiled Rich that caused Diamond Tiara to be a bully, but even then there is no evidence of indoctrination or forcing that perspective on her.

Some users in this topic have suggested that Diamond Tiara was neglected by her parents, which is why she was a bully. However, there is no evidence, as far as I know of, that shows she was neglected. Remember that Filthy Rich is a kind pony for the most part, although somewhat manipulative when it comes to money, so Diamond Tiara most likely wouldn't have been neglected by him. And Spoiled Rich, while being prideful and arrogant, did not show any signs of neglecting Diamond Tiara.

[Dreambiscuit 10,738]

She's a little snot...but she's an interesting little snot. So, while I can't exactly sympathize with her 100% I can see her as a character that matters in her own way and as such, care about her. So let's just say she's a flawed character with some learning and developing to do, and I'd be supportive of that. 

[CypherHoof 26,483]

8 hours ago, EpicEnergy said:

Some users in this topic have suggested that Diamond Tiara was neglected by her parents, which is why she was a bully. However, there is no evidence, as far as I know of, that shows she was neglected. Remember that Filthy Rich is a kind pony for the most part, although somewhat manipulative when it comes to money, so Diamond Tiara most likely wouldn't have been neglected by him. And Spoiled Rich, while being prideful and arrogant, did not show any signs of neglecting Diamond Tiara.

  I think it is more Spoiled Rich "leading by example" - Diamond Tiara saw her mother getting everything she wanted, and not having to work for it, just by being a snob and a "karen" and thought "ok, so that's how it's done." Her father, by contrast, was visibly nice to everypony, because that is good business sense, both with customers and suppliers (and you have to assume in such a small town, that's basicaly everypony), but he still had to work hard for what he has.

  During this episode though, it became increasingly obvious to her that she wanted all of that, but also wanted Friendship (shown to be the most powerful force in Equestria, after all) which other fillies clearly had the benefits of, and her one lifeline in this (Silver Spoon) had finally been alienated by her actions too.  So she is dialing it in a bit - she is stilll being manipulative, but she is now watching carefully the public "optics" of her actions, and curating what she is seen to be doing in that light.  That may be a little cynical, but seen from that perspective, defending the CMC and requesting her father pay for the equipment her own mother had arranged to be rejected could be a PR move - not necessarily being any better, but saying "if you are my FRIEND, I won't aim it at you; now don't you want to be my friend?"

  And honestly I am fine with this; given time, it will just become habit and then her default thinking; reconsidering mean actions to avoid backlash will give way to not considering them at all, and it will take a fairly heavy upheaval to jolt her out of that pattern.

[Scootaloo9074090 502]

16 hours ago, EpicEnergy said:

Why should I? She wasn't abused in any way, shape, or form, nor did she have a tragic childhood. It was simply a perspective that was pushed on her by Spoiled Rich that caused Diamond Tiara to be a bully, but even then there is no evidence of indoctrination or forcing that perspective on her.

Some users in this topic have suggested that Diamond Tiara was neglected by her parents, which is why she was a bully. However, there is no evidence, as far as I know of, that shows she was neglected. Remember that Filthy Rich is a kind pony for the most part, although somewhat manipulative when it comes to money, so Diamond Tiara most likely wouldn't have been neglected by him. And Spoiled Rich, while being prideful and arrogant, did not show any signs of neglecting Diamond Tiara.

 kind of feel bad for her even diamond tiara did mock Scootaloo  handicapped  but now we know that her mother Spoiled rich is to blame for her behavior and I have forgiven diamond Tiara