What Would Have Happened Had Twilight Never Met her Friends?

[Meeps 297]

If Twilight had never made contact with the rest of the Mane 6 as Celestia had expected her to, and they weren't around for any of their biggest battles (Chrysalis, Mightmare Moon, etc) what would've happened to Equestria? Would the royal sisters have persisted on in defending the kingdom without them, or was their formation timely enough to prevent Equestria's ruin?

[cmarston1 5,959]

I assume any of the dark alternate timelines from the season 5 finale would come to pass, if Twilight never became friends with the rest of the mane 6.

[Maple Bat 3,568]

Easy. In case you don't remember or you didn't see the episode Starlight did prevent them meeting.

Most likely Nightmare moon would rule Equestria seeing as it was the first thing they fixed as a group of friends

[Foxy Socks 2,599]

Well she would turn out very much like Moon Dancer was before she helped her make friends, and the alternate timelines could have happened.

[FlareGun45 2,221]

This has already been answered in the season 5 finale! XD

But what I wonder is, what would happen if the CMCs never met, or if Spike never been born?

[Lunarpalette 2,175]

Um... end of season 6 of course!

[Meeps 297]

15 hours ago, Maple Bat said:

Easy. In case you don't remember or you didn't see the episode Starlight did prevent them meeting.

Most likely Nightmare moon would rule Equestria seeing as it was the first thing they fixed as a group of friends

Lmao, I'm dead!!! xD I forgot all about the alternate realities in that episode, wowwww. Time for a rewatch of the series, methinks. Also, kinda mind boggling just how extensive MLP is with continuity and such to be a cartoon. In that respect, it almost reminds me of... Steven Universe, or Avatar: The Last Airbender. All the characters grow so much that by the time you look back from a later season, the differences are very respectable indeed.

Hehe, I'm still tickled that I didn't remember this plot event. Thanks for answering, everypony 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

Honestly, the S5 finale pisses me off for being one of the biggest wastes of potential in the entire series.
instead of actually exploring the concept in depth of what would happen if they never met each other or gained their cutie marks, the episode just glosses over it with a "DON'T QUESTION IT, STUFF'S MESSED UP!" explanation and we hop from one bad situation to the next with no rhyme or reason.


This was a great plot idea, and it was basically turned into a background footnote of another plot (Twilight and starlight's debate) rather than truly exploring it.

I actually kind of enjoyed the episode due to finding starlight and twilight's interaction entertaining, but that doesn't mean that I'm not horribly non-plussed by the massive waste of potential and wish the episode hadn't come to pass in its form.
(I'd LOVE for them to borderline retcon it by making a Comic arc plot that focused on an alternate timeline where it never happened and explored each of the six's different lifes)

[Meeps 297]

On 5/10/2017 at 6:24 PM, Unlikeable Pony said:

Honestly, the S5 finale pisses me off for being one of the biggest wastes of potential in the entire series.
instead of actually exploring the concept in depth of what would happen if they never met each other or gained their cutie marks, the episode just glosses over it with a "DON'T QUESTION IT, STUFF'S MESSED UP!" explanation and we hop from one bad situation to the next with no rhyme or reason.

I have to say, they did really gloss it over quite a bit haha. It was presented in very much a "yeah, bad stuff. Not going to elaborate, but somehow this kind of stuff could come to pass in this situation. Moving on!"

[Number62 1,258]

On 5/10/2017 at 4:24 PM, Unlikeable Pony said:

Honestly, the S5 finale pisses me off for being one of the biggest wastes of potential in the entire series.
instead of actually exploring the concept in depth of what would happen if they never met each other or gained their cutie marks, the episode just glosses over it with a "DON'T QUESTION IT, STUFF'S MESSED UP!" explanation and we hop from one bad situation to the next with no rhyme or reason.


This was a great plot idea, and it was basically turned into a background footnote of another plot (Twilight and starlight's debate) rather than truly exploring it.

I actually kind of enjoyed the episode due to finding starlight and twilight's interaction entertaining, but that doesn't mean that I'm not horribly non-plussed by the massive waste of potential and wish the episode hadn't come to pass in its form.
(I'd LOVE for them to borderline retcon it by making a Comic arc plot that focused on an alternate timeline where it never happened and explored each of the six's different lifes)

I feel the same way as you, but I personally hated those episodes for those reasons among others.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

simple. she would continue to be a NEET

[Jane 123]

Equestria would be the same, I don't think any timeline of The Cutie Re-Mark happened. I mean, it was terribly exaggerated, almost at the level of Mary Sue; Without her, there is no world, nor would anyone's life be the same, everyone would suffer as they are not smart enough or strong enough to survive without Mary Sue.

[Kadeda 178]

Twilight is more likely to become evil at some point. She was one step away from strait up hating people in general and absorbed in learning magic which is power. Not a good combination of things to be honest. Celestia would most likely handle nightmare moon but i doubt Luna would be back. She would probably have killed her this time.

Without the element of magic and the others going to the main 6... Discord would never be free as Celestia would keep control of the elements.

Queen Crissy would be easily defeated once discovered... by either Candace and Shining Armor or Celestia. Twilight might play the same role that she did in the finale for the most part.

King Sombra would be taken more seriously by Celestia and defeated instead of handling it as a test. She may send Twilight there still... it depends on what Twilight is doing at this point. It's possible she could be on the verge of evil... How long Sunset was good before turning evil? Why does everyone close to Celestia eventually turns evil?

The plants should be easy for Celestia with the elements to handle. Discord could possibly be freed here which would be a problem.

Tirek would show... as Cerberus leaving hell has nothing to do with Twilight and the others. Tirek and Discord on the field at the same time might be impossible to deal with... (Unless they fight each other) and we would never meet Starlight Glimmer. 

I don't know how the hell Crissy got all the main characters but that might be the point where Good Twilight influence truely truely saved Equestria. At the same time. If Chrissy doesn't consider Twilight important then she could win. Crissy biggest weakness is looking down on people.

The PoS and Starswirl would stay in limbo. The Storm King won't be a problem as there won't be a reason to come to Equestria.

There won't be no school for Cozy to join... therefore no reason to break her goody two shoes act.

And i haven't seen season 9 so i dunno.

[Jane 123]

Following the previous comment,

Spoiler

Celestia would not think about retiring, Discord would never have supplanted Grogar, if Celestia manages to send Tirek back to Tartarus (S4), Tirek would still be there, Cozy would still be a normal child since she never went to school and Celestia never locked her in Tartarus. As we never found Starlight, Chrysalis is still Queen of the Changelings and none of them would have ended up in a silly statue of stone.

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Jane

[Goat-kun 2,527]

A better show

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[Kadeda 178]

4 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

A better show

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It would be much more morally interesting at least. I would be interested in seeing Twilight in these situations without her friends. I guess movie Twilight would be the best example.

[Pandora 38,063]

Short: friendship is tragic

[applesjck 5,601]

The alternate dark timelines would probably have come to pass.

[Darksword66 230]

Actually, this is something that i had to think about for the most recent to pass universe for the RP i am one of the game masters for. Me and my co-game master, had to figure out a universe where Twilight never really managed to make friends with the characters she made friends with. She would have been sent there but nothing would have happened essentially. We played with the idea a lot and brought in another what if that came from the idea of what if Sunset never left either out of spite. And played with that idea on would she had taken that role eventually? or would she had stayed the way she was.

The entire timeline was very different and of course wasn't restricted by the limitations of "no death" and the like by Hasbro. i would say though for the most part the world would have mostly been either like on of those timelines, like the timeline i had to make with my friend or it wouldn't have changed. Maybe they would have had a different means into the whole thing? Many possibilities. I'd like to think that Essentially Celestia would have probably just figured out a way to deal with Nightmare and from that point potentially have took control of the kingdom, though maybe more aggressively than before if she had to do something horrid with Nightmare Moon.  anyways~

Twilight probably would have eventually made friends...but probably not those ones? Celestia may have moved her around town to town till she learned that she needed to make friends or so forth. who knows~ 

[Goat-kun 2,527]

19 hours ago, Kadeda said:

It would be much more morally interesting at least. I would be interested in seeing Twilight in these situations without her friends. I guess movie Twilight would be the best example.

There is no moral argument for friendship. There might be one for friendliness, but I digress. Princess Twilight became a shit character after her coronation. She and her friends have always been regarded by our glorious writers as a package and not as individual characters of individual worth. The whole princess thing just exacerbated this problem. Twilight never meeting her friends would be a good thing. Twilight meeting Mane 5 and becoming friends with them along the way would also be a good thing. Movie Twilight would be good if that negativity was her true conviction. Alas, it's just the usual personality and experience altering plot device.

 

Salty Fanfoal: But Goat-kun, I like everything!

Yes, you probably like Disney Star Wars too and this is the only argument you're not afraid to use cause all your other arguments are jibber-jabber that don't make you feel morally superior to me. Princess Twilight is shit cause she fails to serve any prominent group of would-be viewers.

 

Salty Fanfoal: But Goat-kun, it's a kid show!

Yes, and if you think that little girls want to be princesses cause they want to be stronk and empowered whamen bureaucrats who need no bicycle you have another thing coming.

 

Salty Fanfoal. But Goat-kun, you're a racist misogynist!

Why of course I am. I want my strong and empowered female characters to be a bit more awesome than a glorified symbol more flaccid and ineffectual than your average neocon politician, and that makes me a total -ist and -fobe of stuff!

 

Salty Fanfoal: Well ... you-you're wrong cause you're mean and you hurt my fee-fees! It's true. My Luna plushie said so.

 

And that's how you make an abominable strawman

[Kadeda 178]

17 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

There is no moral argument for friendship. There might be one for friendliness, but I digress. Princess Twilight became a shit character after her coronation. She and her friends have always been regarded by our glorious writers as a package and not as individual characters of individual worth. The whole princess thing just exacerbated this problem. Twilight never meeting her friends would be a good thing. Twilight meeting Mane 5 and becoming friends with them along the way would also be a good thing. Movie Twilight would be good if that negativity was her true conviction. Alas, it's just the usual personality and experience altering plot device.

 

 

 

Salty Fanfoal: But Goat-kun, I like everything!

 

Yes, you probably like Disney Star Wars too and this is the only argument you're not afraid to use cause all your other arguments are jibber-jabber that don't make you feel morally superior to me. Princess Twilight is shit cause she fails to serve any prominent group of would-be viewers.

 

 

 

Salty Fanfoal: But Goat-kun, it's a kid show!

 

Yes, and if you think that little girls want to be princesses cause they want to be stronk and empowered whamen bureaucrats who need no bicycle you have another thing coming.

 

 

 

Salty Fanfoal. But Goat-kun, you're a racist misogynist!

 

Why of course I am. I want my strong and empowered female characters to be a bit more awesome than a glorified symbol more flaccid and ineffectual than your average neocon politician, and that makes me a total -ist and -fobe of stuff!

 

 

 

Salty Fanfoal: Well ... you-you're wrong cause you're mean and you hurt my fee-fees! It's true. My Luna plushie said so.

 

 

 

And that's how you make an abominable straw man

 

 

 

Sounds like you have other issues with the show.

[Goat-kun 2,527]

3 hours ago, Kadeda said:

Sounds like you have other issues with the show.

You don't say. I've been around the block for so long that I can understand my own opposition better that they can understand themselves The arguments I used to debate with myself are the golden standard for your average one-track fan who wants to disprove one's point and they are quite hard for a novice to go against.

[Number62 1,258]

On 1/8/2020 at 11:53 AM, Jane said:

Equestria would be the same, I don't think any timeline of The Cutie Re-Mark happened. I mean, it was terribly exaggerated, almost at the level of Mary Sue; Without her, there is no world, nor would anyone's life be the same, everyone would suffer as they are not smart enough or strong enough to survive without Mary Sue.

As much as I don't like to think so, "The Cutie Re-Mark" doesn't suggest that Equestria would be fine without the Mane 6's friendship.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Even Starlight made the question why Twilight's friendship is so special that can wrap the future of Equestria and even then, there is no answer for the characters. The Tree of Harmony already has Twilight cutie mark in it so it means that Twilight meets her friends and then become the princess of friendship is the part of Harmony's machination to create to ultimate harmony of Equestria. Twilight is the most important because she represent the MAGIC, no matter how strong the friendship is, without magic the world will fall into darkness, so everything in Equestria is driven by magic and friendship is just one form of magic and in this universe, it is the best of all. The Harmony is the best chess master of the entire universe and villains, no matter how strong their conviction is, are destiny to lose. 

[dead account 2,710]

We saw the alternate timelines.