What's with all the Season 6 hate?

[CypherHoof 26,483]

5 minutes ago, The Nth Doctor said:

And maybe something about Starlight Glimmer have the most rushed redemption arc ever - something you can blame the end of Season 5 for, because that godawful song showed so many wonderful scenes that should've been episodes in their own right, but noooooooo

Not sure what happened around SG's redemption (and the godawful song) really.

The biggie there is her apology to the village she wronged - as we were in a montage, we have no idea what really went on there, but I suspect Twi had a quiet word in advance that she had taken Starlight under her tuition to try and straighten her out, and she would REALLY appreciate it if they didn't form a linch mob when she brought Starlight to offer her apology.  It also helps that there were a whole bunch of months between Twi freeing the village and Starlight being brought back to apologise, given things never seem as bad in hindsight. But yeah, a linch mob would seem the natural reaction to seeing Starlight again, you know, all things considered.

The other thing she needs to make up for of course is her extended fsckups during the re-mark two parter, but those really only affected Twi and Spike; that redemption arc is still in progress (with Starlight being quite frantic about not being released from Twi's oversight at the start of S7, and if that episode plus Music-box-Twi is any indication, Twi isn't quite ready to let go yet either)

[DonMaguz 1,023]

7 minutes ago, CypherHoof said:

The other thing she needs to make up for of course is her extended fsckups during the re-mark two parter, but those really only affected Twi and Spike; that redemption arc is still in progress (with Starlight being quite frantic about not being released from Twi's oversight at the start of S7, and if that episode plus Music-box-Twi is any indication, Twi isn't quite ready to let go yet either)

I think her redemption arc is complete now, she seems to have forgiven herself and has stopped being so insecure about everything.

That being said, she has still to learn from Twilight and she acknowledged it, but I see her taking her decisions and asking Twilight's advice instead of asking her permission which is a defeatist/submissive guilty behavior.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

Just now, DonMaguz said:

I think her redemption arc is complete now, she seems to have forgiven herself and has stopped being so insecure about everything.

Not sure the scene with her, hooves over eyes, sobbing that she will never go with her gut again agrees with that...

 

Just now, DonMaguz said:

That being said, she has still to learn from Twilight and she acknowledged it, but I see her taking her decisions and asking Twilight's advice instead of asking her permission which is a defeatist/submissive guilty behavior.

So long as she ASKS for advice. She seems to want to avoid those conversations; the confrontation in second prances would never have happened if she had just told Twi she was going to be late for dinner, and maybe suggested that Twi take Celestia to watch Trixie's magic show to demonstrate she had found a new friend. Similarly, the full on train wreck that was ELTSD required her to ignore Spike's good advice and refuse to even ask Twi....

[FemaleIntrovert1995 138]

I liked 11 out of 26 episodes in season 6. However, that doesn't mean I hate season 6. Like you I thought it was a decent season. There was nothing too bad to cry over. But, the other 15 episodes felt like filler. I'm looking at you "Applejack's Day Off"  

[Stardust Balance 7,740]

Applejack's Day Off.

I can't even- That was probably the most baffling, incoherent and inconsistent mess of an episode I've ever seen in TV history. It felt all over the place and took this bizarre unclear method to convey its overall message. Like different ideas were thrown together into making a jumbled message. I still have no idea what actually happened during that episode.

[FemaleIntrovert1995 138]

2 minutes ago, Stardust Balance said:

Applejack's Day Off.

I can't even- That was probably the most baffling, incoherent and inconsistent mess of an episode I've ever seen in TV history. It felt all over the place and took this bizarre unclear method to convey its overall message. Like different ideas were thrown together into making a jumbled message. I still have no idea what actually happened during that episode.

It was a horrible ripoff of Apple Buck Season. 

[SugarCoatxMarblePie 701]

Because their nostalgia kick is getting ruined.

[KH7672 1,604]

3 hours ago, CypherHoof said:

Not sure the scene with her, hooves over eyes, sobbing that she will never go with her gut again agrees with that...

About that, that was Dream Starlight who said that. A Starlight whose cutie mark switch literally caused the nightmare versions to form. Notice how she keeps saying "Equestria is doomed" Equestria's not really doomed because the sisters had to switch roles for a day. However Equestria in her dream was doomed because that Equestria was being taken over by Daybreaker and Dream Starlight believed that. All the real Starlight did was let a little thought oops I may have messed up, into a full blown psychological nightmare like a lot of people get when stress is put on them.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

14 minutes ago, KH7672 said:

About that, that was Dream Starlight who said that. A Starlight whose cutie mark switch literally caused the nightmare versions to form. Notice how she keeps saying "Equestria is doomed" Equestria's not really doomed because the sisters had to switch roles for a day. However Equestria in her dream was doomed because that Equestria was being taken over by Daybreaker and Dream Starlight believed that. All the real Starlight did was let a little thought oops I may have messed up, into a full blown psychological nightmare like a lot of people get when stress is put on them.

I think it is what she was really thinking though. It's probably why Celestia and Luna both reassured her, back in the waking world, that she had made the right call - they may not have actually believed that, but knew she needed the reassurance (mind you, I think she may have had more confidence had not Twi freaked out on multiple occasions on her, and you could make the argument that, had Starlight NOT had that particular nightmare, Celestia might have emerged from her night's work still convinced Luna had an easy job and the "it takes such a brave pony" speech would have gone unsaid)

[Velvet Blush 11]

What? For me, season 6 is best season 

[Sly 236]

Between six years long story arcs concluded in crappy way (WHAT THE FUCK HABER WAS THINKING BY GIVING A SUCH IMPORTANT EPISODE TO A WEIRDO WHO NEVER WROTE ANYTHING IN HIS LIFE?!), various character derailments (see The Cart Before the Ponies and 28 Pranks Later) and forced trashy treatments for the six characters who made this show great in the first place (To Where and Back again, and even the premiere in a certain sense)..... I think that the S6 pretty much deserves the hate it gets. It still has its good amount of good episodes but the way Haber mistreated the Mane 6 in most of the season was just unforgiveable to me. If it wasn't for the existence of the Movie and for the fact that Songco and Lewis took the lead lf the writing in S7 (and oh boy if they are making a really good job at it) I would have quitted MLP after that abomination of finale. Unfortunately.... that guy is gonna return in the next season, and maybe all the future ones. So, yeah after a really good S7 and a very promising theatrical Movie, MLP is gonna meet Spongebob's, The Simpsons' and FOPs' fate soon enough. Let's just enjoy what remains until then. Then everybody does what they wanted. Not my problem by the way... there are still a few uncovered things that I'd have liked to see before I quitted the series (the alicorn lore, Discord's origins and more about the Zebras) but rather of having them made by Haber, I prefer not having them at all.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Sly

[Thrond 3,263]

I don't really know why this season is so much less popular than 5 or 7, which I find to be significantly worse and every bit as inconsistent in their own ways. It's a bit less polished but I also find it a lot more consistently entertaining than the seasons directly before and after it. If I were to complain, I'd say my main issue is that there's a lot of overly simple episodes in the second half which don't give the mane six that much depth and aren't all that funny. (It's still kinda inconsistent when compared to earlier seasons.) Here and there, there's some characterization issues which didn't come up in later seasons (but which are still present in season 7), although it sorta just seems like a tradeoff for the horrific character blandness which infested season 5. While I liked Starlight's arc, it's a little inconsistent, and "Every Little Thing She Does" in particular leaves some holes in her development. And yeah, sure, I like "Newbie Dash," but it could have been a fair bit better. 

But, you know, of every season since S2, S6 is the one which made me most enthusiastic for the direction which the show is taking. There's a lot that season did right in my opinion, and while season 7 has improved on a fair few of them, I just don't think it's as much fun. I still don't really get why season 6 is the one which got so much hate, but whatever, I haven't really been in touch with what the fanbase loves and hates in years. 

[AlbaTross 1,586]

While I don't get all the season 5 hate, especially since that season practically went down the fan wishlist and checked off several items, I do kind of get the season 6 hate.  I don't hate it personally, but I found it to be the most mediocre season since season 3, and mediocre and FiM should never be used in the same sentence IMHO.  Season 6 has some great moments and even entire episodes that I'd classify as great...there are just fewer such episodes than there are in other seasons IMHO, and a higher percentage of episodes that aren't so great.  Oh, and it's also the most unfocused season we've had since Twilight's coronation.  In general though, it just has an air of the series being past its prime, and mostly new writing staff that hadn't quite hit their stride.  I'm happy to say that with the exception of a few episodes, season 7 has been head and shoulders above its predecessor IMHO.  

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

4 minutes ago, AlbaTross said:

While I don't get all the season 5 hate, especially since that season practically went down the fan wishlist and checked off several items, I do kind of get the season 6 hate.  I don't hate it personally, but I found it to be the most mediocre season since season 3, and mediocre and FiM should never be used in the same sentence IMHO.  Season 6 has some great moments and even entire episodes that I'd classify as great...there are just fewer such episodes than there are in other seasons IMHO, and a higher percentage of episodes that aren't so great.  Oh, and it's also the most unfocused season we've had since Twilight's coronation.  In general though, it just has an air of the series being past its prime, and mostly new writing staff that hadn't quite hit their stride.  I'm happy to say that with the exception of a few episodes, season 7 has been head and shoulders above its predecessor IMHO.  

I do t think season 5 is unpopular at all, in fact I think it had the most votes for best season in a poll thread here a couple months ago.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

1 minute ago, ShootingStar159 said:

I do t think season 5 is unpopular at all, in fact I think it had the most votes for best season in a poll thread here a couple months ago.

That's good to hear.  I guess it's more popular in hindsight then, because when it was airing there were all sorts of threads talking about how the series was going downhill at that point.  

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

2 hours ago, ShootingStar159 said:

I do t think season 5 is unpopular at all, in fact I think it had the most votes for best season in a poll thread here a couple months ago.

I heard people complained about S6 more than S5, S5 had many fantastic episodes that people busy to praise them.

What people complain about S6:

- Some episode followed some cliche story without any twists, even A Hearth's Warming Tails, one of the best episode of S6, is heavily criticized by using classic story. 

- People said S6 played too safe ( compare to S5, which contain some craziest episodes of the show).

- People complained about Starlight.

- People dont like Josh Haber as story editor.

- Some issues with characterization (which happened in every season anyway).

 

Beside some bad episodes, i dont see people complained too much about S5 as a whole. 

To me, S6 is my third favorite, it had many useful lessons i can use in real life. It didnt have many outright terrible episodes like S4 did. Maybe it just me, i dont get why some people keep making S6 like the atrocity. 

2 hours ago, AlbaTross said:

That's good to hear.  I guess it's more popular in hindsight then, because when it was airing there were all sorts of threads talking about how the series was going downhill at that point.  

I followed this forum during S5 and S6 era. S5 era is like a heaven to me, you can hear people screaming in joy at the screen and talk about their best episodes. S6 is the most depressing, a lot of thread deranged into 'Starlight vs Sunset', 'downhill', 'the end of the show', that make me just stay on episode only related threads. 

[Crystal Peppermint 1,108]

Well from 26 episodes i only liked Top Bolt and The Saddle Row Review. Season 6 was pretty lame and most of the time i just stopped watching, because the whole episode was so predictable.

Edited August 24, 2017 by Crystal Peppermint

[Sly 236]

1 hour ago, Crystal Peppermint said:

Well from 26 episodes i only liked Top Bolt and The Saddle Row Review.

Asd, those would be the two episodes that did justice the most to the Mane 6 in the entire season. I see what you did there.