Alicorn OC's..are they really that bad?

[Luriel Maelstrom 253]

Oh shit..............I think I passed beyond those points of know return.     WHY?  WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT!!!!

 

*clears throat*

Sorry bout that.......that was just a random, but personally, I have passed those point, but one of my OC in particular are in fact.......................

GENETICALLY RELATED

to the princesses, and in addition, the all have the "God" title, but do have many weaknesses to avoid being 100% invincible. 

It's really just my opinion. And who is talking, I mean I am nothing at the moment. My OC is far worse than some alicorn OCs. But I don't see how some OC can be related to others. My OC is related to Derpy only, because I had a drawing of my OC as an avatar a few people confused it with Derpy. And I don't use it in all RPs, only in RPs with people who don't mind it

Over all, again, It's just my opinion and, again, I am nothing, so if you want to do anything from my list feel free to do it. It's not like I am Inspecter of all OCs

To sum this all up

http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/luriel-maelstrom-r4088

WARNING!

Might cause: Screaming in agony, headache, heart pain, darkening in eyes, nose bleeding and cuteness overload

You've been warned

[Erethiel 41]

I has an oc alicorn the only question being is it a good idea? For the most part, he refuses to use his powers unless necessary or if he really wants to mess with someone.

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/94902-do-you-have-any-headcanons/page-2#entry2530480

Edited June 3, 2014 by TheCreepyBrony42

[Anneal 2,197]

I has an oc alicorn the only question being is it a good idea? For the most part, he refuses to use his powers unless necessary or if he really wants to mess with someone.

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/94902-do-you-have-any-headcanons/page-2#entry2530480

 

If you're going to create an alicorn, containing immense power, regardless of whether you use it or not, is more than enough for people to call "Mary Sue"...because it is. All of you can try to defend your alicorn OCs all you like, but I'm sorry to say, most of them are STILL Mary Sue. Weaknesses aren't substantial if you don't actually play with them in roleplays. 

 

Endurance, apparently, is one of the most common OC godmodding/ Mary Sue traits where an OC just doesn't go down. True, you can claim that you need your OC alive to continue the RP, but chances are, your OC isn't going to be consistently over-equipped for battle, (earth ponies might have the advantage in terms of endurance, though this shouldn't be abused) and will quickly be injured while fighting. And while people do make it look like that their OCs are hurt, the injuries somehow disappear after a few posts, or they do surgery on themselves (it's possible, but BS for the most part).

 

As I mentioned before, roleplaying isn't about winning. It's about a story, and having mook-defeating "special power" alicorns is not a good story. 

[Lightning Bliss 1,674]

At one point a member said my OC was borderline Mary Sue or too overpowered.

 

Ahem...

 

I've met pegasus pony OCs that are able to conjure lightning through their wings/hooves, transform that lightning into magic, and in turn use that magic to conjure any item or being that they wish...

 

- My OC can only teleport objects as big as a pony, from 2 miles a way at MAX and that's pushing it for her. She cannot conjure anything!

- She can levitate at least 10 objects max long as it's as big as a pony or less

- She can make her horn glow

- She can create an ambient enviorment of peace (when threatened and it only happends outside her control, its worthless in attacking)

- On one rare occassion, with the help of a potion that Zecora made for her, she turned into a dragon ONE TIME

- She can create a temporary shield to protect herself (again its a reflex she doesn't know how to do it on command)

- And on rare playful days, she can conjure a mustache on somepony's face, or booty lol

 

80% of the time in threatening RPs she's running for her life or screaming for help for her friends cause she simply can't find the will to use her magic properly, or can't at all. Mainly because (as accussed by Celestia in my gala RP) because she refuses to acknowledge that she's a true alicorn princess and doesn't wish to live in the empire or canterlot, resulting in not being teached in alicorn magic properly. She simply hates that she is an alicorn, thinking its bad enough with her large ears and gryphon tail She doesn't like all the attention and wants to go back to a normal life but she can't. She's accepted this but remains hummble and refuses to live amongst the royals.

 

Tell me everypony... is my OC OP? Does she sound perfect to you? AKA Mary Sue?

 

What's OP to me are the following

 

- Able to heal wounds instantly

- Can conjure anything out of thin air

- Can summon demons/monsters/dragons etc to his/her will

- Can transform into any being they wish

- Is immortal all the way, meaning no damage or aging

- Has the powers of Celestia or Luna cause they are related to them in some way

Edited June 4, 2014 by Lightning Bliss

[Everleaf 541]

Well nope not at all I think some bronies kind of overreact over peoples alicorn ocs it is not there oc like it or not and my Everleaf (which is a alicorn) I am not so sure about royalty however she is only a bit over Cadance which I would say that is not bad she IS the alicorn of the everfree forest and has a more (nature inspired) kind of power but compared to the sisters she is not bad

 

(plus it's just a oc)

 

 

the only alicorns I don't take a liking to is ones that are more powerful than the sisters but hey not my oc I'm cool with it it's not like they are going to be in the show...

Edited August 6, 2014 by Everleaf

[GreyScholar 1,584]

My question is why can't the character be a pegasus or a unicorn, why must you have both?

 

More, how is the character an alicorn in the first place? There are at the moment, at best, two ways a character can be an alicorn. Either you are born an alicorn by having alicorn parent(s), or you 'awaken' as such like Twilight Sparkle or Cadance. As of right now, as currently known, their are four alicorns a character can have as a parent and only one is married.

 

The problem is though that would make your character related to a canon pony from the show... which is frowne on.

 

The problem with them being an awakened alicorn should be very obvious, as it means they'd come to realize some aspect or ideal that earns them alicorn status.

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So really, without bending or twisting canon rules as we currently know them, just about any alicorn OC can be questioned and would need a very convincing explanation.

 

It is not about power level, though that is important, but about rarity and what ways have been established to be an alicorn.

 

Also saying that you pony chooses not to use their more powerful magic doesn't change the fact they have it. Gimping them by making it so they cannot cast spells or fly, only reinforces the question of why not have them a pegasus or unicorn? As what is the point of having wings or a horn if the character cannot use them.

Edited June 7, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

The only bad thing mine is going to fit into is the dark past one... Everything is arguable, since really nothing about him is overdoing the power he has... His abilities are actually going to be focused on sort of a knight role, having good attack/defense spells to use with his friends in case they ever get attacked... He cannot control his alicorn powers, & they only become released once the people (ponies) he cares about are in danger... His color scheme is reminiscent of Luna, minus the floaty hair & tail... He is emotionally unbalanced so hi weaknesses are glaringly large... I plan on him (in a story this is all explained) being captain of the royal guard for Twilight's new kingdom, putting him below the average level of alicorn important status... No relation to any of the mane 6 (he isn't even originally from the universe of MLP (yes I am doing that route. I haven't seen anyone else do it but honestly it is my favorite kind of story & something that practically always invades my dreams, so for my first story & OC I figured I would stick with what I know)... Overall, he is weaker in magic than Twilight & slower & less agile then Dash... So while I understand while people would hate the bad alicorn OC's that are OP & fall into bad tropes, the good ones that actually do try & be creative & not go into the bad tropes shouldn't be ostracized because of just having wings & a horn... Mine is nowhere near the best, but I am certainly trying to avoid letting it go overboard, & many others have made much better ones than I have, & people will continue to make good & bad ones...

[GreyScholar 1,584]

 

Being an alicorn makes a character special, more than almost anything else you can give a character. Heck being royalty is more common. More with there being only four canon examples of alicorns, all royalty and all important and special, means your character not being such would make little sense. Also, ponies with wings and horn in the background do not count as then the one eyed cyclops pony would also be canon.

[Kay Dreamer 884]

Alicorn OC's are a huge pet peeve of mine, to the point where I just simply refuse to join a roleplay with Alicorn characters in it. They're just completely unrealistic. I don't care how mundane you make your Alicorn out to be, it's still an Alicorn; an impossibly rare and powerful being which is either immortal or ascended to Alicorn status owing to an achievement on par with being an Equestrian version of Einstein or Martin Luther King.

 

I'm not trudging through a roleplay having my characters ignore an OC's 'special snowflakeness' like it's an everyday occurrence to meet Alicorns on the street. It's not. Alicorns are royalty, this is not optional, it's canon, and to pretend otherwise is simply making up your own rules in a world where the rules are already pretty clear cut.

 

There is only ONE halfway decent Alicorn character I've seen on this entire site, and even so I'm 50/50 on her. She would fit into the canon universe rather neatly, being (unwilling) royalty with the corresponding duties and she is roleplayed as such. She's not OP either. Even so, despite her being the best I've seen, she doesn't have me convinced. Alicorns just... they take too many liberties with existing canon, and the only way around that is to give them with pre-existing relationships with cast characters, which is another big no-no.

 

It must be said, I'm a strictly canon person when it comes to roleplaying. People who are okay with deviations from canon are well within their rights to tolerate of enjoy Alicorns, but I'm not going to.

[Anneal 2,197]

So really, without bending or twisting canon rules as we currently know them, just about any alicorn OC can be questioned and would need a very convincing explanation.

It is not about power level, though that is important, but about rarity and what ways have been established to be an alicorn.

Also saying that you pony chooses not to use their more powerful magic doesn't change the fact they have it. Gimping them by making it so they cannot cast spells or fly, only reinforces the question of why not have them a pegasus or unicorn? As what is the point of having wings or a horn if the character cannot use them.

It's kind of the same concept as people having broken horns or crippled wings. It's perfectly fine if you're able to shed some light on how your OC got it, but it shouldn't be the main focus ("Boo boo, I can't fly!"), otherwise you should not be placing these features in the first place.

 

Earth ponies are less common in roleplays, but it serves as a "clean slate" where you don't really need to focus on any body features. Crystal ponies are even more uncommon...but that's another thing.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Original Suri

[Wolf Smith 12]

Most are not. I changed mine around a lot to try to fix him being OP. Firstly he can die, weak to some types of magic, and is mostly alone.

[Windseeker 546]

Just because an OC has the physical attributes of a unicorn AND a pegasus doesn't mean they have the magical capabilities to rival Equestria's Princesses. It's a concept so easy to grasp, I have no idea why Alicorn OCs are taboo among the fandom.

 

My Alicorn OC knows quite a bit about telekinesis, that's about it, she doesn't really know any other forms of magic and she is definitely no Rainbow Dash when it comes to flying. 

[Bastion 414]

very hard to pull off, but when it is done right, my my. its brilliant!

[Lightning Bliss 1,674]

@@Wolf Smith,

 

Just to give your OC a fair critic from my point of view Wolf,

 

the problem I have with your alicorn is that he falls under some of my guide lines that determine a "mary sue" to me.

 

This is my list of Mary Sue qualifications, (Everything marked red is what your OC falls under) : 

 

- Bad or good all the way in everything

- Able to heal wounds instantly (this goes for amulets or medallions, they are OP to begin with)

- Can conjure anything out of thin air (A total rip off of Discord)

- Can summon demons/monsters/dragons etc to his/her will

- Can transform into any being they wish

- Is immortal all the way, meaning no damage and/or aging

- Has the powers of Celestia or Luna cause they are related to them in some way (Though in your case your OC is related to Discord and "Nightmare Moon" either way it still falls under this rule)

 

Now here's my OC's summons up,

 

- She was born a pegasus pony

- She has NO relations with any royals, she was your run of the mill pegasus pony with a few deformities

- When she ascended, she 'earned' that right, by stopping the war and understanding the magic of 'peace'

- Even though she's an alicorn, she was a pegasus first, and doesn't fully understand the full poltential of her alicorn magic

- She is hummbled and scared of what she is, and tries to keep her status as low and normal as possible, not going around bragging she's an alicorn. She prefers a normal mare's life, being a faithful wife to her husband.

- She only understands the basics of magic, like teleporting and levitating, with the rare occassion of summoning a shield to protect herself and anger reflex of shooting rainbow magic beams.

- She transformed two times in her existence as an alicorn, one was during a magic spell that went wrong, turning herself into a stallion that twilight had to reverse lol. And the other, turning into a dragon by drinking a potion that Zecora helped to make for her.

 

Point is, she still doesn't fall under my guidelines of a Mary Sue, she's not perfect and always makes mistakes, she's outcasted royalty and frowned upon by Celestia cause she refuses to fully accept her title, she's horrible with magic and by god she ain't anywhere near demigod, let alone god.

 

Now again, this is just my point of view, and you can take it as a critic or not to consider fixing up some loose ends on your OC. He still is OP from what I read in his OC Template to me.

[~*bacon princess*~ 278]

They're really that bad because they're OP. 'Nuff said.

Sure some can be pulled off great (see @Lightning Bliss), but most of the time it's ''THAY WURR RELAYTED TO CAYDENS AND SHAYYYYNING ARMUR AND THE HAVE LAYZUR I'S BC THEY R ALICURNS ND THAY CN DU WATVER DAYYYY WANT BC THEY R SO POWE R FUL DESU"

Edited June 14, 2014 by Schmoreo

[Wolf Smith 12]

@@Wolf Smith,

 

Just to give your OC a fair critic from my point of view Wolf,

 

the problem I have with your alicorn is that he falls under some of my guide lines that determine a "mary sue" to me.

 

This is my list of Mary Sue qualifications, (Everything marked red is what your OC falls under) :

 

- Bad or good all the way in everything

- Able to heal wounds instantly (this goes for amulets or medallions, they are OP to begin with)

- Can conjure anything out of thin air (A total rip off of Discord)

- Can summon demons/monsters/dragons etc to his/her will

- Can transform into any being they wish

- Is immortal all the way, meaning no damage and/or aging

- Has the powers of Celestia or Luna cause they are related to them in some way (Though in your case your OC is related to Discord and "Nightmare Moon" either way it still falls under this rule)

 

Now here's my OC's summons up,

 

- She was born a pegasus pony

- She has NO relations with any royals, she was your run of the mill pegasus pony with a few deformities

- When she ascended, she 'earned' that right, by stopping the war and understanding the magic of 'peace'

- Even though she's an alicorn, she was a pegasus first, and doesn't fully understand the full poltential of her alicorn magic

- She is hummbled and scared of what she is, and tries to keep her status as low and normal as possible, not going around bragging she's an alicorn. She prefers a normal mare's life, being a faithful wife to her husband.

- She only understands the basics of magic, like teleporting and levitating, with the rare occassion of summoning a shield to protect herself and anger reflex of shooting rainbow magic beams.

- She transformed two times in her existence as an alicorn, one was during a magic spell that went wrong, turning herself into a stallion that twilight had to reverse lol. And the other, turning into a dragon by drinking a potion that Zecora helped to make for her.

 

Point is, she still doesn't fall under my guidelines of a Mary Sue, she's not perfect and always makes mistakes, she's outcasted royalty and frowned upon by Celestia cause she refuses to fully accept her title, she's horrible with magic and by god she ain't anywhere near demigod, let alone god.

 

Now again, this is just my point of view, and you can take it as a critic or not to consider fixing up some loose ends on your OC. He still is OP from what I read in his OC Template to me.

Please note: I have fixed most of this. Trust me one Tumblr you better not a Mary sue....lol. I do need to fix his template, so look for an update

[The Shadow Stallion 127]

Now I've RP'd a lot in many other fandoms. I noticed in the brony RP fandom, Alicorn OC's always get bashed/shunned etc. I can understand that some people think they are too OP, but not all of OC alicorns are OP.

 

People automatically go "No Alicorn OC's" as a rule in their RPs and I respect their rights to make their rules. However, I have seen perfectly fine Alicorn OCs (I may be a bit biased because i have 1 and only 1 Alicorn OC) that are not OP, have great RP histories, and can fit perfectly fine with canon and otherwise. They have been rejected just because they were alicorns to begin with. Then I see shoddy Pegasi, Unicorn, Earth pony OC's where someone just half-heartedly put work into, get accepted. I don't see the fairness in it.

 

Some people would rather accept at poorly made OC, then a very well thought out, developed and moderated OC just because it is an Alicorn.

 

I think Alicorn OC's should at least be given a chance before they are bashed into the ground.

 

Also, to all those that think only royals can be Alicorns, I don't recall anywhere that it is specifically stated in words that only Royals can be alicorns. In my opinion there are many ways an Alicorn can be made. Example 1: Pegasus exposed to large amounts of magic. Example 2: A crossbreed between a pegasus and a unicorn (Basically what an Alicorn is) Example 3: Earth pony or pegasus being given magical powers by a unicorn.

 

I also bring up the example of rarity in the episode where she has those butterfly wings. Temporarily she was indeed an Alicorn. A permanent version of that spell = Alicorn. I bet if I made a magical Pegasus without a horn, it would be accepted : P or a Unicorn that could cast a spell that gave it wings, it probably would be accepted too. Just because it isn't an Alicorn.

 

Now respond, I have ranted enough. It just becomes infuriating seeing poorly made characters get accepted when I feel like I've put in hours of work into my character and that others have only spent 5 minutes on theirs. It doesn't seem fair and it is a bit pony-racist I guess you could say. Basically people are not accepting one type of pony because of their physical appearance.

 

Okay now enough ranting, again x.x Respond with your own personal opinions, I won't bash you if you don't agree with me, I just want to know a better reason then just the classical "Oh its an Alicorn", or "Oh its way too OP no matter what you do"

[Stone Cold Applejack 381]

Because alicorns are over powered. I mean by that that they are magic, can fly, & have earth pony strength so they are very over powered.

[The Shadow Stallion 127]

Again, they don't have to be.

 

I will bring my OC as an example. He has magic, but he doesn't know how to use and it is fairly weak under normal circumstances. He can fly pretty well and he can fight, but I wouldn't say he has earth pony strength.

 

To top it all off his greatess weakness is light itself. If someone were to shine a flashlight on him it would drain him physically, rendering him rather weak and defenseless.

 

Just because an alicorn is "OP" Doesn't mean it can't be balanced out by weaknesses and flaws.

 

Wouldn't a Superhero be considered OP to a human, but yet they have flaws and weaknesses which balance them out.

[Windseeker 546]

I honestly have no idea, but you made a excellent point about Alicorns existing outside of Royalty. I don't know if it's been declared canon that the princesses are the only Alicorns.

 

I have a Alicorn OC, she is a decent flyer and mediocre in magic, miles away from Princess material. Seriously, I too wish that people quit making the godmod assumption just because a pony shares the same physical characteristics of both a pegasus and a unicorn.

[The Shadow Stallion 127]

I would also like to point out. magic itself is technically OP, so wouldn't that mean Unicorns are OP too.

 

With a swish of their horns they can move rocks 20x their weight or create magical wings or a disk to float. Technically they'd be able to fly, use magic, and have earth pony strength. The only difference between an alicorn and unicorn is that alicorns have wings, but they wouldn't even really need them. The wings are more symbolic then anything since most alicorns and unicorns can teleport with magic which is faster and probably safer then flying.

 

-takes off lawyer glasses- I rest my case.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Because alicorns are over powered. I mean by that that they are magic, can fly, & have earth pony strength so they are very over powered.

When did overpowered = bad character? There are many great characters who have ridiculous powers in their verses and many terrible characters that held little power.

[Stone Cold Applejack 381]

When did overpowered = bad character? There are many great characters who have ridiculous powers in their verses and many terrible characters that held little power.

Well some people think that overpowered= bad character. Also a few alicorn OCs are mary sues but that's not the major reason.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Well some people think that overpowered= bad character. Also a few alicorn OCs are mary sues but that's not the major reason.

Not all overpowered characters are bad as it's a matter of the writer's skill in crafting a character. I'd rather have an oped but awesome Alicorn Oc that is filled with awesome background and character instead of a weak powered but terrible Earth pony oc that will make me cringe for how poorly written mary sueish he is. Also, mary sue \= overpowered as well as Bella from twilight is a perfect example of what I mean.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Nuke87654

[Stone Cold Applejack 381]

Not all overpowered characters are bad as it's a matter of the writer's skill in crafting a character. I'd rather have an oped but awesome Alicorn Oc that is filled with awesome background and character instead of a weak powered but terrible Earth pony oc that will make me cringe for how poorly written mary sueish he is. Also, mary sue \= overpowered as well as Bella from twilight is a perfect example of what I mean.

I totally agree with every single thing you said. I honestly don't really care if you're OC is an alicorn as long as you are good at making it. So yeah I agree with you.