Applejack dishonest in Pinkie Apple Pie

[Scootie 109]

Am I the only one who noticed that Applejack was going against her element by trying the pretend to Pinkie that her and her family don't argue. She was being dishonest.

 

It really annoys me how Rarity (my favourite pony) is ALWAYS singled out for not following her element when all the other ponies go against theirs a lot of the time as well, but NO ONE bats an eye lid.

 

Seriously, when Twilight, Rainbow, Pinkie, Fluttershy or AppleJack go against their element, no one notices, but people always seem to find even the tiniest moments when Rarity supposedly goes against her element. I thinks that's highly unfair.

[Iron Shield 88]

Haven't seen the episode so I'll ignore the post for now (until I see the episode, episode 4 is next for me) and respond to the title.

 

There is a few times when Applejack has been dishonest in the show, but not only does that just reinforce no one is perfect, being the element of honesty is about more than just not telling a lie, it's about having personal integrity, being responsible and having an upright heart.

[Bendy 1,821]

Applejack is only Human Pony. People lie sometimes.

 

Plus her being not honest all the time makes her less like a machine, she's more unpredictable and interesting as a character.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Rush

[Scootie 109]

I'm always been fine with the mane 6 not following their elements all the time actually. I agree, it makes them more human.

I think my point is more along the lines that it seems like its fine for AppleJack and the others to go against their element from time to time, but why not Rarity? People want her to be generous all the time for some reason.

[Dashabel 381]

Well the message behind the episode was generated because Applejack was trying so hard to impress Pinkie by appearing like such a lovely family. I reckon lying to impress is allowed. Plus, she was extremely nervous that Pinkie might not think they were all such a great family after all.

 

The message at the end showed Applejack owning up to her dishonesty, which I think is the MOST important part of her element that allows her to regain herself by the end. She admitted why she was edgy and eager to impress, which is always encouraged, I'm sure.

 

Also, Pinkie doesn't give a flying feather about how crazy the family are. She loves them anyway.

[Clover Heart 978]

This depends on your definition of honesty. Are you being dishonest with people if you clean your house when they come to visit and you're normally a slob? Are you being dishonest when you get dressed up for an interview and you usually wear a T-shirt and jeans? Are you being dishonest with someone when you don't like their haircut, but you don't want to tell them to spare their feelings? I think AJ just wanted to make her family seem cordial, friendly and welcoming. I think most people would do the same. Who wants to spend time with people who fight all the time? It's not like an outright lie. She never said "My family never, ever fights." She just didn't want to show that side of her family to Pinkie Pie. I don't think that's dishonesty. I think it's courtesy.

[Shift 4,274]

Have you ever heard 'Sometimes being honest is knowing when to lie'? It's a good example here. AJ wanted Pinkie to like her family as much as possible, so she attempted to exaggerate the truth and lie a bit. You can't expect her to not lie all the time.

[The Ponyville Critic 304]

I'd say that Applejack isn't really the Element of Honesty, she's more the element of integrity, and anyway, in my opinion, honesty isn't about always telling the truth.

[Scootalove 10,692]

You can't always be honest all of the time, meaning when you're the Element of Honesty you still lie at times because not everyone can be honest all of the time. Applejack wanted to show Pinkie that her family is willing to welcome her to the new family whether she is related to them or not, she is trying to show her that her family is welcoming and friendly.

 

Pinkie still wanted to be a part of the family even when they argue, because families always argue and then they're showing that even when they are arguing with each other they never gave up when trying to get to Goldie's house. Besides if you have a perfect character with no personality, they might as well be cardboard compared to a rounded character.

 

Besides, AJ and the other five can't always live up to their elements all of the time. AJ wasn't lying about her family never fighting or arguing, she wanted to prevent the fighting and arguing to leave a bad first impression.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Scootalove

[Argumedies 1,748]

None of them live exactly by their elements, which is how it should be. No one and no pony is perfect.

 

But the OP is right, Rarity gets called out on it more, by farther then any other character to the fact that they had to make an entire episode dedicated to it.

 

Rarity is the most rounded character of the show and I think its BS that people just keep blindly attacking her for things they all do.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Argumedies

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

It's unrealistic to expect them all to live up to their elements all the time, man.

 

Rarity's been greedy before, Twi's magic has failed, Fluttershy's been rude, and I don't think Pinkamena was meant to make people giggle.

 

Does that make Rarity greedy, or Twilight unskilled at magic? Does it make Flutters mean and Pinkie depressing?

 

Of course not.

 

They fight to live up to their elements, and, for the most part, they do.

 

No one's perfect in this show, and that's what sets it apart from, say, G3; they try to live up to their elements, but they don't do it 100% of the time, because, in real life, even the best of us aren't honest, generous, kind, loyal, or funny all of the time

 

It makes them real, and had they all lived up to their elements 100% of the time, I doubt this fandom would exist because that'd be too much like G3

As for the Rarity thing, during my time around this fandom, I noticed the vast majority of her detractors are RD fans, just like a lot of RD detractors seem to be Rarity fans.

 

It's a stupid trend that's just useless to have around, and I'm not gonna join in on the fun with the other Rarity fans because I love RD, but keep in mind that RD, like us Rarity fans, are very outspoken, for the most part.

 

Her haters aren't really large in number, because about 80% of her haters are RD fans, which, in turn, is probably around only 30% of all of RD's fanbase, and the ones that aren't bashing Rares are always ultra-chill people to talk to . Rar's haters are loud, not large.

 

Don't worry about Rarity hate, though, because you and me got it all figured out

Edited January 12, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Jammo 986]

Applejack can lie she's just not very good at it. Applejack is also very considerate and caring. She wants to give Pinkie the best impression she can. I don't think it's dishonest per se. The Apple family doesn't fight often and like any family with a guest they don't want to show them at their best.

[Lyrafinish 72]

Everypony breaks out of there element at times. Although, I don't think Applejack was really being dishonest. She just wanted to make a good impression, and prevent fighting. I would have done the same thing. Besides, Pinkie had no problem with it, so why be mad about it?

[Scootie 109]

To be honest I don't really care if the ponies go against their elements or not. It just seemed that so many other people do, that I felt it weird that nobody had mentioned this particular incident even though it was quite in your face for practically the whole episode. 

I guess it's just that people seem to hold Rarity on a much higher pedestal compared to everypony else, that if she does something bad just once she's all of a sudden a shallow, self-absorbed bitch. After all, pretty much all the threads I came across on here about ponies not following their elements, were almost always about Rarity and people continuously bitching about her.

[ReverseFaller 2,484]

I don't think she was trying to be dishonest. I think she was more or less trying to give Pinkie a good first impression of the Apple family. Also, every pony has broken their element before. They're not perfect. If applejack was honest 100% of the time people would complain that she was a Mary Sue.

[Untitled Goose Q 5,138]

I'm not convinced she was dishonest, really. Her family does not always fight, Applejack was just trying to prevent any fighting from possibly happening. As has been posted before, she never said outright that her family never argues or fights.

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

Applejack wasn't being dishonest. She was just trying to make a good impression in front of Pinkie Pie so that she would be comfortable around them and be proud to be an Apple. This ties into Applejack's perfectionist tendencies more than anything. It's not like AJ went and told Pinkie Pie that they were perfect and never had disagreements. She might have toned down her aggression when Pinkie Pie was around, but I don't see that as dishonesty.

 

To be honest I don't really care if the ponies go against their elements or not. It just seemed that so many other people do, that I felt it weird that nobody had mentioned this particular incident even though it was quite in your face for practically the whole episode. 

I guess it's just that people seem to hold Rarity on a much higher pedestal compared to everypony else, that if she does something bad just once she's all of a sudden a shallow, self-absorbed bitch. After all, pretty much all the threads I came across on here about ponies not following their elements, were almost always about Rarity and people continuously bitching about her.

 

Because it's only been a day since the episode aired? :/ And since you're new to the forum, let me enlighten you on something that I have noticed as a long time Applejack fan: Applejack's dishonest moments have been called out MANY TIMES. Trust me, it's not just Rarity who faces criticism for not always being charitable. Applejack has lied many times throughout the series and this fandom has picked up on that and ran with it. I've seen many people say that AJ is unfit for her element of harmony. I've also seen people say that Rainbow Dash and Applejack should have gotten the opposite elements. I fully disagree with both ideas, but trust me when I say those notions are out there. It's not just Rarity.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Sugar Cube

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

To be honest I don't really care if the ponies go against their elements or not. It just seemed that so many other people do, that I felt it weird that nobody had mentioned this particular incident even though it was quite in your face for practically the whole episode. 

I guess it's just that people seem to hold Rarity on a much higher pedestal compared to everypony else, that if she does something bad just once she's all of a sudden a shallow, self-absorbed bitch. After all, pretty much all the threads I came across on here about ponies not following their elements, were almost always about Rarity and people continuously bitching about her.

Because I wasn't around yet when most of those started, bud

 

Listen, people bitch about Rarity, people bitch about AJ, people bitch about RD...hell, people bitch about all 6 of them. 

 

We gots to deal with it head-on rather than shove it onto the next pony, you know? AJ's cool, dude

[King Sejong 859]

   Of course, the ponies have gone against their elements in previous episodes, and Applejack had defied her element plenty of times. I respect the ponies for their well rounded personalities, they are not perfect, and the flaws each character posses makes them likeable and relatable, plus they are free spirits and are not defined exclusively by the elements. Twilights Sparkle made many mistakes with the element of magic, Fluttershy does have a temperamental side despite having the element of kindness, Rainbow Dash makes choices that is retrograde to element of loyalty, Pinkie Pie did have moments of depression although she is the element of laughter, Rarity does have envy and she is the element of generosity, and Applejack has been dishonest while having the element of honesty, however each pony does have an strength and zeal in the elements they possessed, the lives they have before acquiring the elements made them better candidates, perhaps the positive and negative sides of each pony were the sort of characters needed to protect Equestria, with the elements of harmony. So Applejack was dishonest, but she did eventually fess up and owned up the her mistakes, and with Pinkie Pies' charisma, they did live up to the elements, and that is one of several possible reasons they got the elements in the beginning of the show.   

[Motion Spark 7,811]

I can't believe we are still arguing about why X pony doesn't act their element?

 

seriously, if they were like that, they would be 2-dimensional characters with no depth, in short words...boring and unisteresting, actually Applejack acted like I expected her to be, like a normal, natural and balanced character with her goods and bads.

 

Can you actually imagine someone that it's 100% honest? There's not such a thing and you would not stop being honest if you want to make sure to show someone the best side of your family so they can have fun, just what she did.

 

She is the element of honesty, but Applejack is just more than just honesty, she has a wide variety of other atributes, good and bad, and that's what she and the rest of the mane6 are relatable characters not only for girls, but for everybody.

 

And the hate for Rarity is always expected, at least for me, because the people who say that about her are ignorants  -_-

[TurtlesForSale 128]

I think it wasn't being dishonest ...more trying to make pinkie pie like the family. I totally agree with you though, everyone picks on rarity yet no one says anything when the rest don't go with their elements! I think it's ok if they go against their elements though, it shows that no one is perfect and gives them more character ... still no reason to pick on rarity though. 

[Blique 211]

@@Scootie:

Most people here (even if supportive) are of the opinion that Applejack is guilty of lying and thus going against her element to some degree. However, I wonder if Applejack is actually being true to the element of honesty.

 

"Honesty" doesn't have to mean "telling the truth". It could refer to honest emotions. In Pinkie Apple Pie, Applejack sincerely wanted Pinkie Pie to have fun and be part of their family. Throughout the episode, Applejack struggled to protect that honest wish.

 

In other words, "honesty" is vague; "sincerity" may be more applicable to Applejack.

[Empress Pinkamena 41]

Oh course she's going to have dishonest moments.  It gives her moments of weakness where she can't always live up to her element, making her a three dimensional character, instead of a character defined soly by her element.  Everypony breaks their elements at times.  Twilight messes up her magic a lot, Fluttershy has been rude, Rarity has been greedy, Pinkie has been depressed, Rainbow has been disloyal, and Applejack of course, has been dishonest.  Everypony's flawed.

[FNGRpony 658]

ahem.  Apple jack is the element of honesty but she isn't a one dimensional character.

She does error at times, but that's because apple jack is Hum..... Um ..um..... mortal.

 

That and apple jack is dealing with her family and pinkie pie for an extended period of time.

That would break most people.