Jan animations shut down by hasbro/C&D

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Confirmed for C&D, hasbro has killed button mash, arguably one of the best fan made animations, who is next? Snowdrop? Digibroni? Episode reviews in general? After doublerainboom being C&D'd, along with ask molesta, a large number of overseas plushie manufacturers, it seems hasbro may finally be cracking down on those who use its trade mark.

http://m.youtube.com/channel/UCa5Gle6aZGN8sLFLZfmbuEg

The link to Jan's youtube page shows that all pony videos are gone.

 

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IUXMulZbO1 Update from Shadyvox, the voice of button himself, it is a confirmed C&D, and they will not be continuing any pone related works in the future.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Miaq_The_Liar

[Adente 1,000]

Aw... I liked those videos! I hope someone saved them and can reupload them! 

[Scootalove 10,689]

Really to hear about what happened to them. I really did love their animated videos, now I'm going to miss them.

[NavelColt 22,879]

Assuming it is C&D, that's truly unfortunate indeed. If nothing else though, it's obvious what mediums Hasbro goes after. Things so official & viral that it could be quite easily mistaken for official content, *Fighting is Magic, top-of-the-line animations like Jan; Double Rainboom would have been most likely if they hadn't gotten educational permission first*, and viral concepts and things that they don't need their target audience seeing *Molestia blog, etc*.

 

While sad indeed, I really don't wanna see people going on about Apocalyptic Hasbro eliminating all fandom content, like people love to do every single time they C&D something. Because as unfortunate and irritating as it is, that's not true by leaps and bounds. Go talk to Warner Brothers and just about every music company on the face of the planet if you want to talk about removing fan content just because it's there and you've been made aware of it :3 When you look at the sheer scope of not just fandom content, but high-quality fandom content that this fandom has made, and then you look at the handful of things Hasbro's gone after, it should not be hard to see that they're pretty damn fair and lenient for the most part.

 

Hasbro has zero to gain from crusading around and trying to quell fandom content. Hell, they've given out licenses to things like welovefine and other merchandise organizations, specifically for our demographic's interest. Few, few companies would do shit like that. This fandom has given them fucktons of money more than anything they'd have ever initially gotten from just their target audience. It's probably because of our impact that's gotten the show going on to five seasons and beyond. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot by trying to stop their fanbase from giving them free advertising, throwing money at them for merchandise and giving their show a worldwide publicity that they pretty much don't have to pay for.

 

They could be worlds, worlds less fair and be killing off a lot more things than they do. And as a company that needs to protect its' trademark like all companies, they're required to do at least some C&D type action. The fact that of the endless list of fandom shit this fandom has produced, they've stopped nothing but a handful of only the highest-known and highest-quality things, is pretty lucky.

Edited March 23, 2014 by ~Chaotic Discord~

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Assuming it is C&D, that's truly unfortunate indeed. If nothing else though, it's obvious what mediums Hasbro goes after. Things so official & viral that it could be quite easily mistaken for official content, *Fighting is Magic, top-of-the-line animations like Jan; Double Rainboom would have been most likely if they hadn't gotten educational permission first*, and viral concepts and things that they don't need their target audience seeing *Molestia blog, etc*.

 

While sad indeed, I really don't wanna see people going on about Apocalyptic Hasbro eliminating all fandom content, like people love to do every single time they C&D something. Because as unfortunate and irritating as it is, that's not true by leaps and bounds. Go talk to Disney and Warner Brothers and just about every music company on the face of the planet if you want to talk about removing fan content just because it's there and you've been made aware of it :3

However, buttons adventures were the most kid friendly fanmade thing out there. And it was one of the highest quality animations to boot. This is the 4th in a series of C&D's sent out by hasbro this week alone to various pony artists. While they may not be reaching warner brothers levels, it seems that they are picking off the top tier stuff.

[NavelColt 22,879]

However, buttons adventures were the most kid friendly fanmade thing out there. And it was one of the highest quality animations to boot.

 

Like I said, 'Things so official & viral that it could be quite easily mistaken for official content'. It doesn't matter if it was kid friendly or not.

 

I don't pretend to understand how laws, companies and all of that nonsense works, but I would imagine things are done in bunches, rather than spasmodically. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm letting someone else have my spot on the 'Hasbro is after everypony' escape boat for now, still.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Like I said, 'Things so official & viral that it could be quite easily mistaken for official content'. It doesn't matter if it was kid friendly or not.

 

I don't pretend to understand how laws, companies and all of that nonsense works, but I would imagine things are done in bunches, rather than spasmodically. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm letting someone else have my spot on the 'Hasbro is after everypony' escape boat for now, still.

Well, the reason a lot of people are "jumping ship" so to speak now, is because this is happening suddenly, and in a great number. So far Jan is number 4 on a list of C&D issued by hasbro this week alone. As for now I'd wait and see if it ramps up any, if they continue on this path, then we may be in view of a crusade against the fandom.

[Guest90210 3,568]

Absolutely ridiculous. I hate these copyright laws. In fact I'm not even sure of the legality of these takedowns. Doesn't it fall under the fair use category?

Wait, what exactly does this all mean?
Call me stupid, but I don't understand what's going on with JanAnimations.

 

Hasbro forced JanAnimations to take down every single one of their pony related videos due to copyright infringement

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Wait, what exactly does this all mean?

Call me stupid, but I don't understand what's going on with JanAnimations.

Hasbro forced one of the best, if not the best fan animator to remove all his MLP related videos.

[Tupek 33]

I don't know....  Aside from all the "trademark laws", and "they have to protect their copyrights" and "they hadn't another choice " and blah, blah, blah...

 

I just want to know, in these more of 3 years of pony fan-made videos, like JanAnimations, how have they affected, harmed, damaged the MLP franchise and its popularity?

[rjrgmc28 130]

While I don't want to get into full details on what happened after seeing the EQD article due to having blown a emotional fuse and almost flying off the handle as they would say, but this is an issue that keeps creeping up time and time again. First we have seen it with Fighting is Magic last year and now this mess and as always, the fans are up in arms.

 

Now while I don't want to get involved on how this came to be nor I take any sides on this issue,in my opinion the whole copyright and trademark system, not only in Australia, but also worldwide in general is simply put, broken, tired, outdated and in need of a major overhaul. There has to be a fair solution which benefits both parties to prevent things like this from happening again.

 

If it means having to set up some guidelines on how fan works are made (e.g. for noncommercial use, not for profit etc) so fans don't end up falling in the same trap, then it might be a fair compromise in the long run.  

 

As a member of the Australian branch of the Pirate Party, this is one of the issues that has currently on the agenda in regards to copyright and trademark reform in Australia at present and also fair use and fair dealing of content.

 

I won't go on any further due to risking another fuse blow, but I'll leave this tweet that I made earlier to sum up my feelings:

 

"But still, this highlights the need for massive trademark and copyright reform, especially for fandoms like the brony community."

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Hasbro forced one of the best, if not the best fan animator to remove all his MLP related videos.

I agree with what Hasbro has done. If someone was ripping off my designs I'd issue a cease and decease order!

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

I agree with what Hasbro has done. If someone was ripping off my designs I'd issue a cease and decease order!

The issue though, is that this will drive away other fan animators, and artists, and this being a fandom focused around a cartoon, animation and art is the heart of it. You drive off the creativity of the fandom, and if the show experiences another disaster like season 3 was for the majority of the fandom, and you could very well see the death of this fandom.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Wow Hasbro. Wow.

I mean, I didn't like JanAnimation's work, but nonetheless it was very well put together.

Why shouldn't Hasbro protect their products? If things like Ask Molestia give the franchise a bad name Hasbro has every right to use the law to put an end to it.

The issue though, is that this will drive away other fan animators, and artists, and this being a fandom focused around a cartoon, animation and art is the heart of it. You drive off the creativity of the fandom, and if the show experiences another disaster like season 3 was for the majority of the fandom, and you could very well see the death of this fandom.

In a word,tough. No matter what most people on here think, FIM is a show for little girls. If fans want to do animation, apply for a job in Hasbro. Or do something completely original. There are toons involving ponies that aren't MLP ie. Filly Fantasia.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Why shouldn't Hasbro protect their products? If things like Ask Molestia give the franchise a bad name Hasbro has every right to use the law to put an end to it.

 

In a word,tough. No matter what most people on here think, FIM is a show for little girls. If fans want to do animation, apply for a job in Hasbro. Or do something completely original. There are toons involving ponies that aren't MLP ie. Filly Fantasia.

Filly Fantasia is currently in development hiatus for being to similar to FiM. And I must remind you, you are on a site for the fandom surrounding the FiM cartoon, and I doubt you could animate something half as decent as Button's Adventures. While you may just be playing devils advocate, you really should realize were you are.

[Surface 115]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI2EznJEMI

I liked that Don't Mine At Night video. xD

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Filly Fantasia is currently in development hiatus for being to similar to FiM. And I must remind you, you are on a site for the fandom surrounding the FiM cartoon, and I doubt you could animate something half as decent as Button's Adventures. While you may just be playing devils advocate, you really should realize were you are.

One of my friends from uni works for an animation studio, and he is proud of the few animations he's worked on. Why should he have to see his work ripped off? I asked him about this and he does get upset when he sees r34 and stuff like that.

[GXPBlast 597]

I love MLP but I freaking hate the company behind them. Just another greedy corporation that hates creativity. You would think that they would enjoy the publicity of MLP as it would gain more views and product advertisement but no they don't like freedom of speech.

 

Its not like Jans animations was making thousands of dollars from MLP based animations.  Even if Jans animations was making money so what, its not like they are taking any large chunk of Hasbro's millions of dollars in revenue. I thought it was a joke when the voice of button said that they own Button and his Mom but dont own the design. I mean thats so vague that any company can send out a cease and decist to any parody maker on Youtube.

 

Seriously Hasbro is just like a bunch of people that love to abuse copyright laws and take down awesome fan made work are jerks. I mean the fans usually make MLP much more enjoyable than the show is. The whole reason why I am a brony is because of what the fandom puts out as I find it more appealing the then show.

 

If this keeps up more and more awesome You Tubers and artists are going to have their work taken down. I fear Tiarawhy may be next, so everyone download the videos and share them as much as you can so they are not lost forever due to Hasbro being greedy.

[Lightwing 12,967]

One of my friends from uni works for an animation studio, and he is proud of the few animations he's worked on. Why should he have to see his work ripped off? I asked him about this and he does get upset when he sees r34 and stuff like that.

Is that i can't understand....i can't!!

Hasbro erases those videos,who doesn't harm nobody...

But the R34???

It doesn't"harm nobody" -_-

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

One of my friends from uni works for an animation studio, and he is proud of the few animations he's worked on. Why should he have to see his work ripped off? I asked him about this and he does get upset when he sees r34 and stuff like that.

My my, quite the red haring there. And there is a large difference between "ripping off" and to put in it a more legal vernacular, theft of an IP, and a inspired animation, that uses original characters, with minor appearances in the inspired work. And Jan never produced r34, but banning it on the grounds that it makes someone uncomfortable is the same logic stalin used as he murderd over 3 million people. It made him upset, so he banned it.

[Dattebayo 2,850]

*raises hand*

I though the Button cartoons were annoying as hell.

 

But the animation was FAR above the point of simply calling it "top-notch".

Sad to see it go, circumstances being.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

I love MLP but I freaking hate the company behind them. Just another greedy corporation that hates creativity. You would think that they would enjoy the publicity of MLP as it would gain more views and product advertisement but no they don't like freedom of speech.

 

Its not like Jans animations was making thousands of dollars from MLP based animations.  Even if Jans animations was making money so what, its not like they are taking any large chunk of Hasbro's millions of dollars in revenue. I thought it was a joke when the voice of button said that they own Button and his Mom but dont own the design. I mean thats so vague that any company can send out a cease and decist to any parody maker on Youtube.

 

Seriously Hasbro is just like a bunch of people that love to abuse copyright laws and take down awesome fan made work are jerks. I mean the fans usually make MLP much more enjoyable than the show is. The whole reason why I am a brony is because of what the fandom puts out as I find it more appealing the then show.

 

If this keeps up more and more awesome You Tubers and artists are going to have their work taken down. I fear Tiarawhy may be next, so everyone download the videos and share them as much as you can so they are not lost forever due to Hasbro being greedy.

No, it's a company protecting it's intellectual properties. I say again, why should Hasbro stand back and see it's designs ripped off?

[Malinter 3,064]

One of my friends from uni works for an animation studio, and he is proud of the few animations he's worked on. Why should he have to see his work ripped off? I asked him about this and he does get upset when he sees r34 and stuff like that.

 

Thats a risk you run when you post stuff on the internet. If that upsets him he really shouldn't be putting up there.

 

That said, I can understand Hasbro wanting something like the Molestia blog down but JanAnimation's stuff is alot more truer to the spirit of the actual show so why target that?

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

My my, quite the red haring there. And there is a large difference between "ripping off" and to put in it a more legal vernacular, theft of an IP, and a inspired animation, that uses original characters, with minor appearances in the inspired work. And Jan never produced r34, but banning it on the grounds that it makes someone uncomfortable is the same logic stalin used as he murderd over 3 million people. It made him upset, so he banned it.

I'm sorry but you're comparing a company issuing a c&d order to a tyrant who murdered millions. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

And I say again, probably the reason why Hasbro doesn't go after r34 is because they can't. Who knows where these sites are based from?

[Celestial Wish 349]

I agree with what Hasbro has done. If someone was ripping off my designs I'd issue a cease and decease order!

 

I don't think you completely understand the dire situation at hand. You have to angle your perspective at times. From where you're standing, you're only seeing one perspective. The RIGHTS and WRONGS. There has been and always will be a shade of grey in between situations like this.

 

 

Why shouldn't Hasbro protect their products? If things like Ask Molestia give the franchise a bad name Hasbro has every right to use the law to put an end to it.

 

In a word,tough. No matter what most people on here think, FIM is a show for little girls. If fans want to do animation, apply for a job in Hasbro. Or do something completely original. There are toons involving ponies that aren't MLP ie. Filly Fantasia.

 

I'm curious, are you aware of what website you're on? Do you know the community that surrounds you right now? You're in the very belly of the beast where fan-animators, fan-artists, and fan-fiction writers thrive and present their works besides other websites.

 

To be frank, your comment on "FIM is a show for little girls" is completely contradictory to your very existence on this forum. If the show is indeed for little girls, then why is the MAJORITY of the fan-base alive with people of all ages? 

 

No what, never mind... I could write a five paged essay on how ignorant you sound.

 

Filly Fantasia is currently in development hiatus for being to similar to FiM. And I must remind you, you are on a site for the fandom surrounding the FiM cartoon, and I doubt you could animate something half as decent as Button's Adventures. While you may just be playing devils advocate, you really should realize were you are.

 

LOL, I know I couldn't animate a stick man but I looked up to Jan, I really did...

Edited March 22, 2014 by Celestial Wish