Does anyone else not like Rainbow Dash and why, if so..? >.<

[JonasDarkmane 19,789]

That goes, then, to your opinion of what qualifies as "bland."  Do you find adventure and activity bland?  Need I always mention the flaws alongside either the virtues or what I personally find compelling?

 

What do you find interesting?  So help me if you say "a tragic past and a dark secret..."  xD

What makes things interesting is when there is both flaws and qualities to something. Rainbow Dash has both. However, by only mentioned the positive stuff, she comes off as uninteresting. 

 

Definitions of bland

adjective

lacking strong features or characteristics and therefore uninteresting.

rebelling against the bland uniformity

synonyms: uninteresting, dull, boring, tedious, monotonous, monochrome, dry, drab, dreary, weari

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

I love RD to pieces, just like all of the six, but objectively speaking, I do wish she'd show a bit more professionalism here and there, like Rarity for example.

Please say you saw this coming. x3

 

Rainbow often exhibits passion over professionalism; though she is an expert flyer, disciplined athlete, and a great leader / motivator when she needs to be.  We have seen her demonstrate the qualities of leadership and / or responsibility in "The Return of Harmony" (where she pursued the pink, sticky clouds), "Hurricane Fluttershy," "It Ain't Easy Being Breezies" (making the breeze for the little guys), "Wonderbolt Academy," and "Flight to the Finish."  Granted, she still gets carried away at times; though that's always been something I liked about her.

[cider float 2,538]

Omg yes.  Seems like if something becomes too popular, you gotta hate it to be cool.  E.g. Frozen.

 

 

I know, right?  I can understand not liking a show altogether, but I don't really understand how many bronies can be so...well, passionate in their hatred of characters, while still claiming to love the show.  But, you know, everyone is entitled to hate whatever character they want.  It just bums me out sometimes when I feel like this forum is turning into the The Mane 6 Must Die Club.  If someone just hates the show altogether , that doesn't bother me (as long as they don't hate someone for liking it.)  But it gets on my nerves when "fans" seem to do nothing but trash every character.

 

I love RD to pieces, just like all of the six, but objectively speaking, I do wish she'd show a bit more professionalism here and there, like Rarity for example.  We see Rarity filling orders for presitgeous clients all the time.  AJ manages the farm, and takes that job very seriously.  We even see Pinkie baking at the Corner fairly often.  It would go a long way if we had a scene here and there of RD directing her weather team (instead of sabotaging them).  That is her job, right?  But we never see her do it.  She's like the Cosmo Kramer of the group.  I know--I sound hypocritical.  I do enjoy analyzing and picking apart, but remember my thesis statement: I still love her to pieces.

Where is that hate for the Mane 6?

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

 

What makes things interesting is when there is both flaws and qualities to something. Rainbow Dash has both. However, by only mentioned the positive stuff, she comes off as uninteresting. 

 

Definitions of bland

adjective

lacking strong features or characteristics and therefore uninteresting.

rebelling against the bland uniformity

synonyms: uninteresting, dull, boring, tedious, monotonous, monochrome, dry, drab, dreary, weari

 

So...  A speed-loving daredevil who enjoys adventure and exudes enthusiasm and energy...  Is dull?  Uninteresting?  Seldom is anything so cut-and-dry as an internet-derived definition.  There is subjectivity at play on both sides.

 

I reiterate: I never said she was without flaws.  Listing qualities *I* find compelling did not eliminate her flaws.  You have also repeatedly revealed that you are aware that she has them.  I listed things that are interesting; provided you are someone other than yourself, apparently. xD  And if you think virtues, in and of themselves, can't be interesting...  I don't know what else to tell you.

Where is that hate for the Mane 6?

Here, right at MLP Forums.  You've not been here long, it seems.

[cider float 2,538]

So...  A speed-loving daredevil who enjoys adventure and exudes enthusiasm and energy...  Is dull?  Uninteresting?  Seldom is anything so cut-and-dry as an internet-derived definition.  There is subjectivity at play on both sides.

 

I reiterate: I never said she was without flaws.  Listing qualities *I* find compelling did not eliminate her flaws.  You have also repeatedly revealed that you are aware that she has them.  I listed things that are interesting; provided you are someone other than yourself, apparently. xD  And if you think virtues, in and of themselves, can't be interesting...  I don't know what else to tell you.

Here, right at MLP Forums.  You've not been here long, it seems.

Well glad I didn't absorb that kind of drama.

[JonasDarkmane 19,789]

 

 

So...  A speed-loving daredevil who enjoys adventure and exudes enthusiasm and energy...  Is dull?  Uninteresting?  Seldom is anything so cut-and-dry as an internet-derived definition.  There is subjectivity at play on both sides.

 

 

You wanna know why? Because mentioning only the good things leans towards a Mary Sue  . The flaws balance things out by providing conflict for the character to overcome  :comeatus:. So yes, what you mentioned is very dull (you played the subjective card, I see  ). 

 

 

 

Seldom is anything so cut-and-dry as an internet-derived definition

You are on the internet  . You came to the wrong place if you were searching for something else  . And might I also say that that is quite subjective  (I love playing the subjective card as well  ). 

 

 

 

I reiterate: I never said she was without flaws.  Listing qualities *I* find compelling did not eliminate her flaws.  You have also repeatedly revealed that you are aware that she has them.  I listed things that are interesting; provided you are someone other than yourself, apparently. xD  And if you think virtues, in and of themselves, can't be interesting...  I don't know what else to tell you.

 

 

I replied because you were only mentioning the positive things to prove that she was not bland, so in a way, I was reminding you that the positive things are not all the things required to make a character not seem bland. 

 

 

I enjoyed episodes such as "Sonic Rainboom" where RD had to deal with her doubts (flaws) and then overcome them. When she got herself in trouble during "May the best pet win!", due to her arrogance (flaw). It provided conflict and it was fun to see her learn of it. That is what I personally find to be interesting, as a one-sided character without any conflict does not really interest me  :comeatus:. 

[ZapFirePrincess 54]

Things sure have escalated quickly. Geezus. I was under the impression that this was an unpopular belief. Was there not a time when people adorned her as the face of the fandom? Or is this an illusion..?

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

You wanna know why? Because mentioning only the good things leans towards a Mary Sue  . The flaws balance things out by providing conflict for the character to overcome  :comeatus:. So yes, what you mentioned is very dull (you played the subjective card, I see  ). 

But the flaws still existed. xD  And you acknowledged them. xDD  And there is no worse card than the "Mary Sue" card.  (Actually, there is one worse card: The OOC card.)  Anyone who plays such a card has but utilized an empty internet buzz word.  I'd go so far as to say the mere mention of it, when done in earnest, is bland.  There's no such thing as perfection.  Even "perfection" can be perceived as flaw.  Overpowered, overrated, out-of-character, and Mary Sue are terms that ought never be uttered with any significant measure of sincerity.

 

 

 

You are on the internet . You came to the wrong place if you were searching for something else . And might I also say that that is quite subjective (I love playing the subjective card as well ).

You realize that, had I simply said "definition" and excluded the "internet-derived" part, you'd not have been able to make that statement at all lol.  You actually honed in upon the very least significant part of the sentence.

 

I appreciate your helping to up my post count, by the way.

[Celli 4,339]

Things sure have escalated quickly. Geezus. I was under the impression that this was an unpopular belief. Was there not a time when people adorned her as the face of the fandom? Or is this an illusion..?

Don't pay it any mind, it happens on here from time to time. I think early on, most bronies were more attached to RD because of he nature and everything. I guess she's easier to latch onto than the other mane 5. So you could say she was the face of the fandom at one point. She was my first, but looking at my avatar and sig, that's obviously not the case at all anymore.

[JonasDarkmane 19,789]

But the flaws still existed. xD  And you acknowledged them. xDD  And there is no worse card than the "Mary Sue" card.  (Actually, there is one worse card: The OOC card.)  Anyone who plays such a card has but utilized an empty internet buzz word.  I'd go so far as to say the mere mention of it, when done in earnest, is bland.  There's no such thing as perfection.  Even "perfection" can be perceived as flaw.  Overpowered, overrated, out-of-character, and Mary Sue are terms that ought never be uttered with any significant measure of sincerity.

 

 

That is why I said it leans towards a Mary Sue  . I have acknowledged the flaws, yes, but it still seems you haven't  :comeatus:.

 

 

 

Anyone who plays such a card has but utilized an empty internet buzz word.

Subjective  . No need to completely ignore some facts that can be used  . 

 

 

 

You realize that, had I simply said "definition" and excluded the "internet-derived" part, you'd not have been able to make that statement at all lol.  You actually honed in upon the very least significant part of the sentence.

 

And you made the mistake of not excluding it  :comeatus:. Everything can be seen as significant, but I think we are going off topic here now  -_-.

 

 

 

I appreciate your helping to up my post count, by the way.

*Bows* You do realize you are doing the same for me ? 

 

 

 

Edit: I also noticed you got 6666 brohoofs 

[ZapFirePrincess 54]

Don't pay it any mind, it happens on here from time to time. I think early on, most bronies were more attached to RD because of he nature and everything. I guess she's easier to latch onto than the other mane 5. So you could say she was the face of the fandom at one point. She was my first, but looking at my avatar and sig, that's obviously not the case at all anymore.

Ah, I see. It was definitely in the time when the show first revamped itself. Those were good times it seems. I can see why people would latch onto her, she does have a very distinct design and her attitude is "in-your-face." Although now people have branched off to having their favorites and so-forth. Maybe it was simply the company decisions because whenever I walked around stores, the merch was always of Rainbow Dash. >.<

[Celli 4,339]

Ah, I see. It was definitely in the time when the show first revamped itself. Those were good times it seems. I can see why people would latch onto her, she does have a very distinct design and her attitude is "in-your-face." Although now people have branched off to having their favorites and so-forth. Maybe it was simply the company decisions because whenever I walked around stores, the merch was always of Rainbow Dash. >.<

Yeah. I liked RD, but I saw how much depth the other characters had. I like Twily cuz I relate to her the most, nerdy, anti-social(sort of), bookish. Plus I like her adorkableness.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Superficial is still an insult either way. I did not exaggerate or misunderstand you I heard you loud and clear. And wait I admitted to... what is this courtroom drama? You are the one outlining this as a flame war than you tell me flame and war does not apply here?

 

I'm sure you picked up some obscure way of presenting your manners from the internet brother. I would say maybe you should stay away from places like that because you know we can have a proper conversation without conflict.

 

So okay enlighten me what is it that I didn't delve deep enough for Rainbow Dash? Because I can already tell my answer is going to be whatever I already told you on the quote I gave you before.

1. I said I was not attacking; this made my intentions clearer.  Whatever you inferred about my tone was incorrect, as you never raised my ire in the first place.  There is no inflection in a wall of text.

2. I told you I was not launching a flame war; indicating I'd no intention of participating in one.  I even attempted to reassure you.

3. As for "courtroom drama."  You said the following:

 

 

Honestly I don't really care about her development, I don't keep an eye on her since she failed to make me laugh.

^ That's what I meant when I said you admitted you were concerned with an initial impression.  If you don't care about / pay any mind to her development, you're still presumably judging her based on what you first thought of her.

 

You called her a stereotypical tomboy with a "chip on her shoulder."  Which leads me to believe that you either haven't seen or haven't considered the following:

1. Her love of reading; an activity she at first avoided because she thought it was for "smart ponies."

2. Her dejection at being abandoned, forgotten, or left all alone.

3. Her fear of failure.

4. Her enjoyment of "Hinny of the Hills." x3

5. How well she "cleans up."  By this I mean the likes of her Gala dresses.

6. Her extraordinary ability to absorb information visually while flying.

7. Her affection for and support of Scootaloo.

8. Her willingness to endure a butterfly migration for a friend. x3

9. Her repeated decisions to forgo her dreams in favor of integrity and her friends.

10. Her affection for Tank; a slowpoke, if ever there was one. x )

11. The fact that she actually has an occasionally squeaky voice and a squeakier laugh.

12. Her uncontrollable, unrestrained fits of the aforementioned squeaky laughter. x3

13. Her (sometimes heedless) desire to help other ponies in need.

14. Her protective nature.

15. Her enduring friendship with the other of the Mane Six; whom she, by her own admission, loves.

That is why I said it leans towards a Mary Sue . I have acknowledged the flaws, yes, but it still seems you haven't :comeatus:.

 

I love her flaws; I love her.  Her ego tickles me, and her self-confidence inspires me.  Her sometimes-tactless candidness amuses me, and I admire her honesty.  I find her over-the-top enthusiasm infectious, and I'm revitalized by her energy.  I find her moral struggles relatable, and I applaud her when she makes the "right" decision.  I sympathize with Rainbow in her moments of self-doubt, and I cheer for her when she overcomes it.

 

 

*Bows* You do realize you are doing the same for me ? Edit: I also noticed you got 6666 brohoofs

 

Whatever gets me closer to Pegasus rank. x )

 

I am secretly evil...  Plus an extra six.

Things sure have escalated quickly. Geezus. I was under the impression that this was an unpopular belief. Was there not a time when people adorned her as the face of the fandom? Or is this an illusion..?

I regard you as an innocent in all of this. xD

Edited June 3, 2015 by Ziggy and Angelbaby

[JonasDarkmane 19,789]

 

 

I love her flaws; I love her.  Her ego tickles me, and her self-confidence inspires me.  Her sometimes-tactless candidness amuses me, and I admire her honesty.  I find her over-the-top enthusiasm infectious, and I'm revitalized by her energy.  I find her moral struggles relatable, and I applaud her when she makes the "right" decision.  I sympathize with Rainbow in her moments of self-doubt, and I cheer for her when she overcomes it.

*Claps* Bravo, bravo  

 

 

 

 

Whatever gets me closer to Pegasus rank. x )   I am secretly evil...  Plus an extra six.

And whatever gets me closer to Crystal Pony 8D 

 

Evil

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

And whatever gets me closer to Crystal Pony 8D

I wish I were a Pegasus already. ; _ ;  Then I could stop posting (everywhere but in the RDFC) forever.  My enemies would be glad.

[Plume 922]

When I first saw RD on the show, I didn't exactly love her straight away. She seemed like the sort of brash, harsh, sassy-verging-on-rude sort of personality that I dislike highly. However, now I understand that is part of her charm. She, like all the characters on the show, has benefited from the friendship she shares with the rest of the mane 6, and she may be the best character to demonstrate such. Being rough around the edges and having some of her moments where she does strange things results in the satisfaction of her learning and bettering herself being all the more sweet. In that facet, she is one of the most relateable characters - her personality overall may not be the most prolific, diverse, or cute, but she rights her wrongs and is a much better pony for it - something which is not only a good moral lesson, but also something everyone experiences.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

@@ZapFirePrincess

 

Just letting you know I moved your thread to Show Discussion as it was dealing with a character from the show.

 

Also, for everyone, just a reminder to keep things civil. We've had to close similar threads in the past due to raw emotion, so let's just keep that under control.

[Daring_Do 552]

I think her being a mascot of our fandom is what irks me the most about her. The character itself is a bit bland and stereotypical to me so she just falls a bit short in the fun and humor that I look for in the show. Almost every American Cartoon show has some tomboy girl who is cocky and has a chip on her shoulder. No offense to the RD fans, I know you have your reasons why you like her.

Hmm. I haven't watched enough cartoons, I reckon... Couldja elaborate a little?

 

See, if RD actually is some kinda stereotype, that could affect how I see the character.

[Magic Note 2,750]

I've always have had a neutral opinion on Rainbow Dash, to be honest. I don't dislike her, hence why I'm indifferent.

[Lexamena 391]

I started out not caring that much for RD because I sort of felt a sense that she was a "token" character, like she was there solely to appeal to the tomboys of the viewing audience. The same with Rarity, like she is deliberately girly and fashion minded - to appeal to the girly girls. But the more I watch, the more I feel those ideas break down, and I start to appreciate them for their personalities regardless of who they may or may not appeal to. Nobody gets to have a pony representative, and I think that is reading way too much into it anyway. I still don't care for her much because her personality clashes with mine but that's ok. 

Edited June 3, 2015 by Lexamena

[Kellie 122]

I used to really dislike her, but not as much as I disliked Twilight Sparkle. I thought Twilight was too stuck-up and "I'm the most important-level headed one here so listen to me." For Dashie, she was just too into herself for me, I also just don't like the word "cool"? 

While they will never replace Rarity as my favorite, they have certainly grown on me. I still don't like how Dashie always calls things cool (obviously her personality) but she is a darn good looking design and she does have her perks. I think I actually like all the mane6 now, including Twilight who has become "most improved" in my books haha.

[The Awesome One 1,315]

Some people dislike Rainbow Dash because she can be really cocky at times and they just become desperate and try to find every single fault in her when she really isn't bad at all.

[Steve Piranha 29,447]

I get that her arrogance, cockiness, and a bit of douchebagery are not traits many people appreciate, but many of those also ignore her virtues only to make her look worse than she actually is 

[JonasDarkmane 19,789]

Some people dislike Rainbow Dash because she can be really cocky at times and they just become desperate and try to find every single fault in her when she really isn't bad at all.

Don't we do that with every single character  :comeatus:?

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Don't we do that with every single character  :comeatus:?

And that's but one reason as to why the fandom is a constant cesspool of suck. : D