spoiler So the finale just aired in the UK...

[Castle Bleck 19,364]

Well given nothing went off to stop spike, I don't put any more faith in him having more traps than in the giant pink invisible unicorn.

 

Except Spike wasn't a Pegasus, and the long-@$$ drop was technically a trap in and of itself.

 

So it still took the whole wife-throwing thing, something no one -- mastermind or not -- could've seen coming, to save the day.

 

Furthermore, Sombra's still the most precaution-heavy villain to this day.

Edited October 8, 2016 by A.V.

[Sonic5421 423]

I just watched the finale and I gotta say that I was a bit disappointed.

 

 

I felt that the ending was rushed and too much time was spent on Starlight Glimmer, Trixie, Discord, and Thorax exchanging dialogue whilst searching for Chrysalis. I know that not every finale needs an epic fight scene, but considering who it was they were up against, I was hoping for an altercation of some sort. But overall, it wasn't an awful end to the season and I love the reformed changeling designs

 

 

Agreed, the ending felt rushed and had they removed some exposition from the first act of Part 2 with Starlight and her rescue team, there would have been more room in the third act to show everypony being freed from their cocoons when Chrysalis' throne was destroyed instead of simply showing the spire being blown apart, then showing everypony already emerging from their shattered prisons and regaining their bearings as the reformed Changelings help them out in their first act of redemption.

[Ganondorf8 11,315]

I really hope that they consider it in the future.

 

There is a lot that happened during Celestia's reign that fans would love to know what happened. Sure, we've had snippets here and there such as Twilight's Kingdom through the flashbacks for example, but why not an episode dedicated to Celestia that shows from her perspective, some of the more troubling experiences she's had to deal with. Of course, the first thing they need to do is actually give her an episode.

[silvadel 1,393]

Those new forms the changelings took looked permanent. 

 

Diamonds to donuts they can't change shape anymore once they became that.

 

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As for Chrysalis, she can make a new hive at will. 

[Lil Pip 775]

Well excuse me for finding politicians flinging their shit at each other to have more humor and satisfying character development!

 

The state of overarching story in FIM is old news and everyone who wanted to watch such stuff has already chosen another primary fandom, or they’re just really, really patient and deserve some sort of medal for their wasted time. FIM’s selling point has always been in its main characters, and shafting them is the source of my concern. That is pretty much the gist of it. Two episodes worth of a grander story won’t bring in anyone new and I’m pretty sure those already here wouldn’t really mind if it was slice of life instead. It’s funny that you are trying to excuse it all on show’s constraints while promoting the very thing that doesn’t work well within them.

I don't think its the primary thing I had concern with. Speak for yourself. And with the series going on quite long they decided to mix it up a bit. Thats like saying a company isn't allowed to invest into a different flavored beverage because their original classic flavor deserves all the sales. You already said they left the fandom, how can they shaft people who don't exist. Yeah but developing characters who are already developed os new people don't see the point has more value? I think not, I think characters like Trixie and Discord can be more engaging than the exhausted routes the mane 6 have gone. Its a finale, it will never be slice of life then I don't see how thats relevant. Yeah because the other finales were slice of life and were better? Your argument doesn't add up. And there might be other explanations for why there was less viewership, until you show data you are just asserting your opinion. I like being objective about things, and sure some parts were a little lame, but that was to excuse the plot to fit more into the episode. Not a bad trade imo, and it objectively had more conflict occurring in two ways. One, is inter-character, and two is the situation being more dire than previously(from your ideal seasons at least) in several ways. 

Edited October 8, 2016 by Lil Pip

[Sonic5421 423]

There is a lot that happened during Celestia's reign that fans would love to know what happened. Sure, we've had snippets here and there such as Twilight's Kingdom through the flashbacks for example, but why not an episode dedicated to Celestia that shows from her perspective, some of the more troubling experiences she's had to deal with. Of course, the first thing they need to do is actually give her an episode.

 

Yeah, I would love to see something like that happen with Celestia in a future episode than see her have so few appearances in a season and either have a major role, supporting or not, in the season premiere/finale, or once again be the victim of being captured by the villain and needing to be rescued once more.

[Ganondorf8 11,315]

Yeah, I would love to see something like that happen with Celestia in a future episode than see her have so few appearances in a season and either have a major role, supporting or not, in the season premiere/finale, or once again be the victim of being captured by the villain and needing to be rescued once more.

 

Celestia is becoming more like a damsel in distress as opposed to being a powerful ruler who can obviously take care of herself as we saw in the Sombra timeline where she was out on the frontlines.

[Sonic5421 423]

Celestia is becoming more like a damsel in distress as opposed to being a powerful ruler who can obviously take care of herself as we saw in the Sombra timeline where she was out on the frontlines.

 

Yeah, it is making me sick at how the writers are portraying her when she appears in the season premieres/finales with being so easily removed from having a chance to protect Equestria from the villains...Stupid, lousy, Plot Armor...

[heavens-champion 1,905]

Now that Starlight's saved the day... can Twilight be the heroine again?

Edited October 9, 2016 by heavens-champion

[Ganondorf8 11,315]

Yeah, it is making me sick at how the writers are portraying her when she appears in the season premieres/finales with being so easily removed from having a chance to protect Equestria from the villains...Stupid, lousy, Plot Armor...

 

It also happens in the comics especially during the multi-part story arcs although Reflections is an exception to that since she wasn't captured until sometime in the final part. It also seems that Luna is going through the same experience, and I wouldn't be surprised if it started happening to Cadance and then Twilight.

[Sonic5421 423]

It also happens in the comics especially during the multi-part story arcs although Reflections is an exception to that since she wasn't captured until sometime in the final part. It also seems that Luna is going through the same experience, and I wouldn't be surprised if it started happening to Cadance and then Twilight.

 

Luna's only been captured a couple of times to my knowledge. First there was the Plunder Vines, then Lord Tirek, and now Queen Chrysalis in her revenge plot for her defeat in A Canterlot Wedding. Luna had no part in confronting her then, yet Chrysalis still knew leaving her alone would be trouble as the mere thought of learning of Celestia being in danger would probably cause Luna to go Nightmare Moon again to save her, which would be trouble for Chrysalis.

 

As for Cadance, let's see here...She's been kidnapped by Chrysalis before, but that was putting her in the caves beneath Canterlot, not in a cocoon like here, and then there was being sent to Tartarus by Lord Tirek with Celestia and Luna. That's what I know so far for her.

 

As for Twilight, I think this is the second time she's ever been given The Worf Effect and captured by the villain along with the rest of the Mane Six as the first time was when Starlight took their cutie marks and they had to rely on Double Diamond and the others to get them back. This time, she was caught completely off-guard by Chrysalis' return for revenge and put into a cocoon where her Alicorn magic was inaccessible thanks to Chrysalis' throne.

 

Celestia was always the victim early on since she got bested in combat by Chrysalis in A Canterlot Wedding and having the Elements of Harmony stolen from right under her muzzle by Discord in The Return of Harmony, but if this finale is the start of her little sister and the other Princesses getting the same Damsel In Distress treatment she's been repeatedly a victim of by the writers, there are going to be a lot of fans who love the Princesses that are going to get very angry...

[Goat-kun 2,527]

I don't think its the primary thing I had concern with. Speak for yourself. And with the series going on quite long they decided to mix it up a bit. Thats like saying a company isn't allowed to invest into a different flavored beverage because their original classic flavor deserves all the sales. You already said they left the fandom, how can they shaft people who don't exist. Yeah but developing characters who are already developed os new people don't see the point has more value? I think not, I think characters like Trixie and Discord can be more engaging than the exhausted routes the mane 6 have gone. Its a finale, it will never be slice of life then I don't see how thats relevant. Yeah because the other finales were slice of life and were better? Your argument doesn't add up. And there might be other explanations for why there was less viewership, until you show data you are just asserting your opinion. I like being objective about things, and sure some parts were a little lame, but that was to excuse the plot to fit more into the episode. Not a bad trade imo, and it objectively had more conflict occurring in two ways. One, is inter-character, and two is the situation being more dire than previously(from your ideal seasons at least) in several ways. 

Sweet sunny bottom, now that’s an eyeful.

 

Firstly, the people who do not care so much about FIM are those who like action and adventure. These guys ain’t gonna bother investing in FIM because there are four action adventure episodes per season in a slice of life show. These are people who do not care about the characters because they don’t like the style and they have never been relevant. The ones who are relevant are the fans of Mane 6. By the way, I watch it cause I have a thing for magical girls and talking animals.

 

Secondly, you do realize nearly all shows out there have a stable ensemble of protagonists, and some of them are pretty damn old. And how exactly have you objectively determined which character has been developed to the point of stagnation? I think there’s plenty development to be had, and I ain’t even talking action adventure. Also, is continuous and steady development really necessary? I mean, some fantasies have characters in the state of stagnation for entire arcs. People would still want to watch Pinkie Pie even if she wasn’t learning her lessons, but I don’t think that many of us would be interested in Starlight even if she’d be learning them all the way to infinity and beyond. This ain’t how liking a character works. But I guess you kinda do understand this since you’ve brought up Trixie and Discord. These guys do their own special thing and they do it good. But when some glorious writers want to substitute Mane 6, they’ll have to try a little better. You could even say I’m not against a new group of mares per se. I’m against what seems to be the current attempt.

 

And yes, it’s true: I have absolutely no numbers to back up my claims. All this grand wisdom of mine comes from personal experiences and convoluted logic. Then again, we are just throwing our opinions out to see what sticks.

[Castle Bleck 19,364]

Celestia was always the victim early on since she got bested in combat by Chrysalis in A Canterlot Wedding and having the Elements of Harmony stolen from right under her muzzle by Discord in The Return of Harmony,

 

Yeah, it's not like Celestia had already bested Chrysalis once before ((*Cough!*) FIENDship #5 (*Cough!*)) or eventually got to return the favor to Discord ((*Cough!*) Keep Calm And Flutter On (*Cough!*)).

[Sonic5421 423]

Yeah, it's not like Celestia had already bested Chrysalis once before ((*Cough!*) FIENDship #5 (*Cough!*)) or eventually got to return the favor to Discord ((*Cough!*) Keep Calm And Flutter On (*Cough!*)).

 

Comics are one thing, but that was probably when Celestia was not being made into a Damsel In Distress by the writers. With how she's portrayed in the show lately, that's what I'm getting frustrated about as they want her to be nothing more than a freaking plot device that has to be rescued from a situation that renders her completely helpless to save herself every time it happens.

[Castle Bleck 19,364]

Comics are one thing, but that was probably when Celestia was not being made into a Damsel In Distress by the writers. With how she's portrayed in the show lately, that's what I'm getting frustrated about as they want her to be nothing more than a freaking plot device that has to be rescued from a situation that renders her completely helpless to save herself every time it happens.

 

To be fair, she was still recently useful when delaying the blizzard and then helping fix the Crystal Heart in The Crystalling.

 

I'll take what I can get, I suppose.

[Sonic5421 423]

To be fair, she was still recently useful when delaying the blizzard and then helping fix the Crystal Heart in The Crystalling.

 

I'll take what I can get, I suppose.

 

Yeah, same here. Celestia did prove herself alongside the rest of the Royal Family with saving the Crystal Empire, but it still does not make up for the writers putting her in danger again as a victim of Chrysalis' revenge in the finale. Not to mention getting little dialogue there with her V.A., Nicole Oliver, with her only lines being directed to Thorax before suggesting finding somewhere to unwind and relax from this little nightmare before they head home.

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

Those new forms the changelings took looked permanent. 

 

Diamonds to donuts they can't change shape anymore once they became that.

 

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As for Chrysalis, she can make a new hive at will. 

A nitpick.... I kind of like the idea of Chrysalis breeding a new hive and ultimately, a daughter who will be future Queen one day.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

Now that Starlight's saved the day... can Twilight be the heroine again?

>Can the mane six be the heroines again

Fixed

[Ganondorf8 11,315]

Luna's only been captured a couple of times to my knowledge. First there was the Plunder Vines, then Lord Tirek, and now Queen Chrysalis in her revenge plot for her defeat in A Canterlot Wedding. Luna had no part in confronting her then, yet Chrysalis still knew leaving her alone would be trouble as the mere thought of learning of Celestia being in danger would probably cause Luna to go Nightmare Moon again to save her, which would be trouble for Chrysalis.

 

As for Cadance, let's see here...She's been kidnapped by Chrysalis before, but that was putting her in the caves beneath Canterlot, not in a cocoon like here, and then there was being sent to Tartarus by Lord Tirek with Celestia and Luna. That's what I know so far for her.

 

As for Twilight, I think this is the second time she's ever been given The Worf Effect and captured by the villain along with the rest of the Mane Six as the first time was when Starlight took their cutie marks and they had to rely on Double Diamond and the others to get them back. This time, she was caught completely off-guard by Chrysalis' return for revenge and put into a cocoon where her Alicorn magic was inaccessible thanks to Chrysalis' throne.

 

Celestia was always the victim early on since she got bested in combat by Chrysalis in A Canterlot Wedding and having the Elements of Harmony stolen from right under her muzzle by Discord in The Return of Harmony, but if this finale is the start of her little sister and the other Princesses getting the same Damsel In Distress treatment she's been repeatedly a victim of by the writers, there are going to be a lot of fans who love the Princesses that are going to get very angry...

 

The princesses are supposed to be powerful rulers who can hold their own in any situation. Having them reduced to being damsels would be a violation of their characters, especially Twilight considering everything she has been through. Maybe the writers will change direction and give Celestia some much needed reinforcement of her abilities. I say Celestia because she needs it more than the others do.

 

Oh, and I'm going to sound stupid, but what is the Worf Effect?

[Sonic5421 423]

The princesses are supposed to be powerful rulers who can hold their own in any situation. Having them reduced to being damsels would be a violation of their characters, especially Twilight considering everything she has been through. Maybe the writers will change direction and give Celestia some much needed reinforcement of her abilities. I say Celestia because she needs it more than the others do.

 

Oh, and I'm going to sound stupid, but what is the Worf Effect?

 

Blame the writers for having the story lines make the Princesses helpless against a big threat like Chrysalis returning for revenge. I really want them to knock that off and give the Princesses some time in the spotlight already like they did with them helping to save the Crystal Empire in the Season 6 premiere. However, you're right about hoping the writers will change direction and give them some more development in the future. Maybe they actually will, if they don't want a riot from the Brony Community on their hands for treating the Royal Family like this.

 

As for the Worf Effect, follow this link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

or this one: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheWorfEffect/WesternAnimation

 

That should answer your questions.

Edited October 12, 2016 by Sonic5421

[heavens-champion 1,905]

>Can the mane six be the heroines again

Fixed

We get it. You think the rest are neglected.

[MLPFanatic34 3,234]

Those new forms the changelings took looked permanent. 

 

Diamonds to donuts they can't change shape anymore once they became that.

 

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As for Chrysalis, she can make a new hive at will. 

I hope the new changeling forms aren't permanent in the sense they are unable to transform.

[Babyyoshi309 1,829]

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will enjoy drink brony tears when this episode airs in the US!!!!!!!!! All the Celestia/Discord ships utterly destroyed!!!!!! 

 

It makes me so happy...

 

 

 

FLUTTERCORD FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

*Edit: If you do not know what I am referring to, just quote this, and I will explain.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Babyyoshi309

[KatonRyu 1,033]

I'll just put my entire reaction in spoiler tags to be safe.

 

 

This was a really good season final. I really liked Twilight's hinting at wanting to go along with Starlight to her village, only for her to ask Trixie along instead. The chemistry between those two is great anyway, so the episode gets points right away for that. I also like how Starlight's anxiety to go there is portrayed in the first place. The dream she had about it actually closely mirrors real life situations where one is reluctant to do something they know they should.

 

Later, when Starlight finds out about the changelings and wakes up Trixie, I love how Trixie's reaction to "there's something wrong with my friends" is, "I can think of a whole list of things that are wrong with your friends." After that, Thorax and Discord showing up made the episode even better. I think my favorite moment was Discord's reaction to finding out Fluttershy had been taken. He hasn't looked that dangerous since the Season Two opening.

 

I think the way they neutralized Discord and Starlight was a pretty good one as well once they got to the changeling hive. Discord without access to his magic was still great alongside Starlight and Trixie, and the lack of magic really gave Trixie the chance to shine, rather than being the powerless butt monkey she usually is, barring any escapades with magical demonic amulets.

 

Confronting Chrysalis with Thorax disguised as Starlight was also pretty well done, but the ease with which the other changelings aside from Thorax turned good was a bit jarring. At the very least I'm happy that Chrysalis rejected redemption and that Starlight was the one who figured out how Thorax could beat her. The magic-neutralizing throne also gives me a good headcanon reason why they were able to take the princesses this time, since I'm going to assume they somehow carried such a rock with them on their mission. Since it's susceptible to changeling magic, it also makes sense Thorax's version of weaponized friendship was able to destroy it.

 

Final thoughts: really great final which finally averts defeats equals friendship and shipping fuel for Starlight/Trixie. Definitely redeems this season in my eyes, especially in light of the recent good episodes.

 

[Nara 84]

My reaction after seeing part 2

 

 

Somewhere deep down I wished that Chrysalis would take Starlight's hoof
Sure, maybe the whole thing with reforming every single villain is getting a bit boring but I would love to see reformed Chrysalis. Both for the visuals and how she'd change personality vise