Equestria needs the death penalty. The Season 6 finale is proof.

[pnylvr 185]

 

 

Its sad that her children disobeyed her though.

If my mother kept me starving maliciously, I wouldn't be too inclined to respect her. Also, is it actually clear that Chrysalis is the mother of all the changelings? I know they parallel real-world hives, where that's the case, but the fact that they can be ruled by a male suggests that their biology isn't quite the same.  

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

If my mother kept me starving maliciously, I wouldn't be too inclined to respect her. Also, is it actually clear that Chrysalis is the mother of all the changelings? I know they parallel real-world hives, where that's the case, but the fact that they can be ruled by a male suggests that their biology isn't quite the same.  

Most incestoids are female dominated. But this is also a cartoon so anything goes. And she didn't say she was gonna starve them. She just didn't want to walk in the light.

[pnylvr 185]

 

 

And she didn't say she was gonna starve them. She just didn't want to walk in the light.

The fact that she refused to entertain the idea of taking Thorax's path (which prevents changeling hunger) suggests that she was willing to keep them starving so they would be her soldiers in the conquest of Equestria.

[Ninjaed 526]

The fact that she refused to entertain the idea of taking Thorax's path (which prevents changeling hunger) suggests that she was willing to keep them starving so they would be her soldiers in the conquest of Equestria.

 

It can be hard to admit one's wrong, much more so when you've been doing it for years (without knowing it to be wrong) and even more so when you're a leader. And I think Chrysalis has some pride to boot. So... not so much keeping them starving as being in denial in the face of evidence. That's what I think anyway.

[Steve Piranha 29,429]

I think death penalty is too......... dark, for the tone of the show. Imprison her to Tartarus maybe, but I don't think these little horses will take out an enemy with the explicit intention to kill

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

It can be hard to admit one's wrong, much more so when you've been doing it for years (without knowing it to be wrong) and even more so when you're a leader. And I think Chrysalis has some pride to boot. So... not so much keeping them starving as being in denial in the face of evidence. That's what I think anyway.

Lets paint a scenario here. Chrysalis actually reforms(much to my dismay I like doing what if stories) Then what else? Thorax already has a history with Spike and the others. Chrysalis will still be punished by Celestia and Luna for what she did. We have two possibilities.

 

1.) The rejection was just a joke 

2.) she would reform, but realized what she was gonna lose: Her body, her species which she viewed as devolved, her pride and her dream of 'the perfect day" Equestria kneeling to her.

[Marimo 555]

No, they don't need it. The death penalty is not some necessity, it's a moral decision made by a country on whether or not they believe that there are crimes that are and should be punishable by death, and they seem to choose to not use capital punishment. Ponies would prefer reformation over punishment, and if reformation doesn't happen then they would just go with imprisonment as a punishment.

 

Besides, the death penalty even in our world has been losing favor. Each year, another few countries abolish it, and currently the ones that still have it are in the minority.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

This notion presumes that the reason they let Chrysalis go wasn't so that she would slowly but surely starve.

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

This notion presumes that the reason they let Chrysalis go wasn't so that she would slowly but surely starve.

She can sucker a target elsewhere. Her plans always work... The plot is what makes her lose.

[Ninjaed 526]

Lets paint a scenario here. Chrysalis actually reforms(much to my dismay I like doing what if stories) Then what else? Thorax already has a history with Spike and the others. Chrysalis will still be punished by Celestia and Luna for what she did. We have two possibilities.

 

1.) The rejection was just a joke 

2.) she would reform, but realized what she was gonna lose: Her body, her species which she viewed as devolved, her pride and her dream of 'the perfect day" Equestria kneeling to her.

 

Um... Sorry, I didn't understand it all. Kinda sick here, so my dumb has got the brain. :crackle:

 

 

This notion presumes that the reason they let Chrysalis go wasn't so that she would slowly but surely starve.

 

That'd be pretty cruel!

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

Um... Sorry, I didn't understand it all. Kinda sick here, so my dumb has got the brain. :crackle:

 

 

 

That'd be pretty cruel!

I just meant she didn't reform because she may have been afraid to.

[Ninjaed 526]

I just meant she didn't reform because she may have been afraid to.

 

... I feel so stupid right now... Anyway, yeah. I feel that might be the case. Afraid, confused, ... A whirlpool of emotions. It's hard to make good decisions then. Starlight was in the same boat (but had more time to swallow her previous defeat). So was Luna (but remorse took the upper hand). Discord... Not so much, but that's Discord.

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My opinion on this subject using "Tanks for the memories" as an example:

 

"Your goldfish isn't asleep dear, it's dead."

[ParadoxicalOutcome 44]

I think overthrowing Crhrysalis might've been a very bad mistake that will only get realised some time afterwards. As far as we've seen, regular changelings and changeling queens are different, and a changeling queen is needed for the species' reproduction. Currently, The only changeling queen is Chrysalis. If my assumptions are correct... Then Thorax and the other changelings might've locked themselves in a path to extinction unless they can convince Chrysalis to return to the hive.

 

Heck, this might be the sole reason Chrysalis might stop and be reformed!

Edited October 11, 2016 by ParadoxicalOutcome

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

I think overthrowing Crhrysalis might've been a very bad mistake that will only get realised some time afterwards. As far as we've seen, regular changelings and changeling queens are different, and a changeling queen is needed for the species' reproduction. Currently, The only changeling queen is Chrysalis. If my assumptions are correct... Then Thorax and the other changelings might've locked themselves in a path to extinction unless they can convince Chrysalis to return to the hive.

 

Heck, this might be the sole reason Chrysalis might stop and be reformed!

I am so jaded to reformations that they might as well just continue doing them anyways. 

[Sonic5421 425]

They gave Discord two chances

 

But judging from Chrysalis and how she rejected Starlight's offer, I highly doubt they would be willing to give her a second chance, and even if they did, there's a good chance that she blows it, and it's off to Tartarus for that witch.

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

But judging from Chrysalis and how she rejected Starlight's offer, I highly doubt they would be willing to give her a second chance, and even if they did, there's a good chance that she blows it, and it's off to Tartarus for that witch.

My queen is a sacrificial leader. And her changelings were incredibly foolish to throw away their heritage. The swarm will RISE again(m illogical fanboy) 

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

Equestria definitely does not need the death penalty. In real life it's unnecessary, in Equestria it would be flat out wrong.

[Sonic5421 425]

My queen is a sacrificial leader. And her changelings were incredibly foolish to throw away their heritage. The swarm will RISE again(m illogical fanboy) 

 

Very amusing. Even if Chrysalis could rebuild, having pissed off the Royal Family and Elements of Harmony for trying to invade their home twice now, especially the recent attempt with kidnapping all of them really making them mad, they are not going to be caught off-guard again and will be ready and waiting when she returns.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

Yes, it's a kids' show. I don't care. Look at all of Disney's animated films and how the villains in those got killed off for being too evil, despite being written for kids. I didn't see parents complaining that Disney traumatized their children. Why should MLP be any different?

 

There was no death penalty in any Disney films. The villains offed themselves due to their own arrogance, greed or short-sightedness.

 

And no Equestria does not need a death penalty. It is not the real world with issues like corrupt legal systems, flawed prison systems and poor rehabilitation standards. It seems they have stuff somewhat in control and don't need to rely on barbarity to solve a lot of their issues.

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

There was no death penalty in any Disney films. The villains offed themselves due to their own arrogance, greed or short-sightedness.

 

And no Equestria does not need a death penalty. It is not the real world with issues like corrupt legal systems, flawed prison systems and poor rehabilitation standards. It seems they have stuff somewhat in control and don't need to rely on barbarity to solve a lot of their issues.

Most of our criminals aren't as dangerous as Equestria's, save for the war mongers protected by our oligarchies. Chrysalis wants to destroy everything to satiate herself, even after Starlight gave her a more peaceful solution. I'm almost positive that some ponies will die until she's in the position to attack the princesses again. And we know from the Season 5 finale that Tirek will jump at any opportunity to kill ponies if given the chance, and who's to say he won't break out of Tartarus a second time? If either manages to victimize the population, even if only a small percentage of it, Celestia is just as guilty for letting it happen. I'm not sure keeping them alive would make her as righteous as she's cracked up to be.

Edited October 12, 2016 by Lord-Pomegranate

[SunsetBaconDrive 169]

Most of our criminals aren't as dangerous as Equestria's, save for the war mongers protected by our oligarchies. Chrysalis wants to destroy everything to satiate herself, even after Starlight gave her a more peaceful solution. I'm almost positive that some ponies will die until she's in the position to attack the princesses again. And we know from the Season 5 finale that Tirek will jump at any opportunity to kill ponies if given the chance. If either manages to do this, Celestia is just as guilty for letting it happen. I'm not sure that would make her as righteous as she's cracked up to be.

Chrysalis doesn't want the destruction of everything. She wants an orderly world in HER image. You can't have that if everything is gone. Chrysalis was gonna pull a Matrix. Have them in pods as batteries for the hive.

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

Chrysalis doesn't want the destruction of everything. She wants an orderly world in HER image. You can't have that if everything is gone. Chrysalis was gonna pull a Matrix. Have them in pods as batteries for the hive.

 

When you put it that way, that's actually worse. Life imprisonment with all the energy siphoned out of every pony with a capacity to feel love is the worst form of slavery imaginable.  

[adelenightstaff 12]

all the mane six are to kind to give anyone the death penalty. honestly, the only pony crazy enough to do that would be Terak and hes gone.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

If either manages to victimize the population, even if only a small percentage of it, Celestia is just as guilty for letting it happen. I'm not sure keeping them alive would make her as righteous as she's cracked up to be.

 

And by taking their lives Celestia has to live with the thought of whether she did the right thing. There is also the possibility of fallout with other nations and the like by killing her enemies. By killing her enemies she also becomes another despot who says live under her rule or die in a manner of speaking... sure she could be protecting her empire... but that excuse has been used before by tyrants.

 

I am not saying Tirek and Chrysalis for example are not evil beings deserving of some swift and possibly permanent justice of some kind, but beings like Celestia whom are trying to promote a peaceful, and loving empire just will not, nor should they promote killing anyone. There are ways these villains can be dealt with without resorting to executing them. I am sure they have several other ways of dealing with the truly irredeemable.