CastletonSnob 3,079 August 29, 2017 #1 Share August 29, 2017 Do you feel that bronies sometimes expect too much out of the show? I've seen them want darker plots, more development, and an emphasis on lore and worldbuilding. I myself am often guilty of this, but then I remember I'm not the target audience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarston1 5,959 August 29, 2017 #2 Share August 29, 2017 Let's not kid ourselves, the answer is quite clearly yes. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMaguz 1,023 August 29, 2017 #3 Share August 29, 2017 Yes, bronies ask for too much but I wonder how many of us do it only to wonder, discuss and overall "play with the possibilities in-universe" and how many do it with the will to actually make themselves heard from Hasbro/DHX. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KH7672 1,604 August 29, 2017 #4 Share August 29, 2017 (edited) Thank you for thinking about the target audience. That's probably my biggest problem with these complaints is I know most are never coming from the target audience. I have to say the complaint I hate the most is a desire for more characters talking heart to heart. I'm sorry that's a terrible idea for a kid's show. What kid's program ever does this except to reinforce the moral at the end which is the only time it should happen. "Brotherhooves Social" is a fantastic use of this mindset as it allows the antics of the episode to unwind and present the moral in a serious way. But for an episode like (there are plenty to choose from but this is the most recent one I can think of) "A Royal Problem" the complaint that this episode would have been better with Twilight talking with Celestia about her bias or Starlight just have the sisters talk to each other is a terrible idea. There is absolutely no entertainment value for kids with those ideas. Kids will remember that episode for Luna trying too hard to be social and Celestia fighting her evil self. It's these exaggerated circumstances tthat will stick with the viewer and the solution or moral will stick easier as well. I guess that's the problem is some bronies can't take the exaggerated nature of each conflict. "Amending Fences" wasn't made for those extremely anti-social people, Moondancer was just an extreme to emphasize a point. "Flutter Brutter" wasn't made for those that are extremely annoying and mooch off others, Zephyr Breeze is an extreme for giving up too easily. It's time to take a step back and keep the target audience in mind but appreciate the lengths the writers, editors, and animators go through to keep the older audience invested as well. Edited August 29, 2017 by KH7672 3 One of my most ambitious role playing experiences. Plus other smaller stories and commentaries throughout the cup threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage 24,771 August 29, 2017 #5 Share August 29, 2017 The development of the show is an obvious challenge because it does have a very diverse audience. I think it's best to give support by being 90% positive and perhaps 10% polite criticism, if they deserve it. Good writers take criticism well. You simply cannot be an author unless you learn how to absorb and process criticism. But positive feedback is what keeps writers passionate and energetic. So I think we should feed them lots and lots of love and adoration! 1 “Remember that when you leave this earth, you can take with you nothing you have received--only what you have given.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Piranha 29,432 August 29, 2017 #6 Share August 29, 2017 I think they demand too often to basically alienate the target audience On 2017-08-29 at 3:10 AM, KH7672 said: Thank you for thinking about the target audience. That's probably my biggest problem with these complaints is I know most are never coming from the target audience. I have to say the complaint I hate the most is a desire for more characters talking heart to heart. I'm sorry that's a terrible idea for a kid's show. What kid's program ever does this except to reinforce the moral at the end which is the only time it should happen. "Brotherhooves Social" is a fantastic use of this mindset as it allows the antics of the episode to unwind and present the moral in a serious way. But for an episode like (there are plenty to choose from but this is the most recent one I can think of) "A Royal Problem" the complaint that this episode would have been better with Twilight talking with Celestia about her bias or Starlight just have the sisters talk to each other is a terrible idea. There is absolutely no entertainment value for kids with those ideas. Kids will remember that episode for Luna trying too hard to be social and Celestia fighting her evil self. It's these exaggerated circumstances tthat will stick with the viewer and the solution or moral will stick easier as well. I guess that's the problem is some bronies can't take the exaggerated nature of each conflict. "Amending Fences" wasn't made for those extremely anti-social people, Moondancer was just an extreme to emphasize a point. "Flutter Brutter" wasn't made for those that are extremely annoying and mooch off others, Zephyr Breeze is an extreme for giving up too easily. It's time to take a step back and keep the target audience in mind but appreciate the lengths the writers, editors, and animators go through to keep the older audience invested as well. Expand While it is true that most of those problems would have been solved easily suggesting those logical approaches, it's true that kids will remember the episodes better with the exaggerated development. You know, it's funny people like to talk thinking they know their shit, but clearly they don't Sig by Discords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singe 2,111 August 29, 2017 #7 Share August 29, 2017 (edited) At seven seasons, we should just be glad to get something we've been wanting like a Celestia and Luna episode which was Royal Problem. Also the rest of the Mane 6 parents. Edited August 29, 2017 by Singe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage 24,771 August 29, 2017 #8 Share August 29, 2017 On 2017-08-29 at 3:33 AM, Singe said: At seven seasons, we should just be glad to get something we've been wanting like Royal Problem for a Celestia and Luna episode for me. Expand Please don't take this wrong way, but I don't understand what you mean by 'been wanting'? Did the fandom want Celestia and Luna to have, for lack of a better analogy, human-like relationship problems? “Remember that when you leave this earth, you can take with you nothing you have received--only what you have given.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singe 2,111 August 29, 2017 #9 Share August 29, 2017 On 2017-08-29 at 3:36 AM, Mirage77 said: Please don't take this wrong way, but I don't understand what you mean by 'been wanting'? Did the fandom want Celestia and Luna to have, for lack of a better analogy, human-like relationship problems? Expand I've been wanting a Celestia and Luna episode since Season 1. It took til Season 7 to see one. That's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage 24,771 August 29, 2017 #10 Share August 29, 2017 On 2017-08-29 at 3:38 AM, Singe said: I've been wanting a Celestia and Luna episode since Season 1. It took til Season 7 to see one. That's all. Expand Oh I see your point...I never realized that! “Remember that when you leave this earth, you can take with you nothing you have received--only what you have given.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedishy 3,549 August 29, 2017 #11 Share August 29, 2017 To be honest I don't think any request is too much. Because of its a request. They dont have to do it. But the requests do give them material to work with. The target audience does not buy the merch or spread the show.( parents might but kids "favorites" are fickle) The target audience is not going to give reviews. Its the Brony fandom that is going to keep them going even if they are a bit demanding. May the Friendship be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenith32 76 August 29, 2017 #12 Share August 29, 2017 To politely ask writers to consider potential episode plots would be one thing, but (as I've seen across many different social media over the years) to outright demand that the writers go with often very specific ideas is a bit much so yeah, I'd say that bronies do ask for too much. Not always, and not every brony is guilty of this, but overall I tend to think that yes we do tend to ask a bit much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty Thundersnow 4,184 August 29, 2017 #13 Share August 29, 2017 I definately think that some actually do ask for too much sometimes. I just ask for a good, well written episode for each episode, even through I know that isn't really realistic. I'm not the brony that would ask for too much. I like the show as is, so I'll keep my headcanons and parings to myself. 1 "Never give up, because you can't succeed if you don't even try." - Personal Motto "Anything worth doing has risks. Believe me, this is worth doing." Hortense-Guardians of Ga'Hoole book 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,860 August 29, 2017 #14 Share August 29, 2017 On 2017-08-29 at 1:13 AM, VG_Addict said: Do you feel that bronies sometimes expect too much out of the show? I've seen them want darker plots, more development, and an emphasis on lore and worldbuilding. I myself am often guilty of this, but then I remember I'm not the target audience. Expand Sometimes yes. Particularly with mature elements (darker plots). That said, I've never seen anything wrong with sharing a desire to see more of a specific character, or even have them delve into a theme that is appropriate for all ages, or finish some dangling story ideas. I also have no issue with someone saying a specific episode didn't quite hit the mark for them and bringing up the reasons why, and even suggesting alternative approaches. These are things no fan should ever feel guilty for sharing. As always, it's how you share that opinion that matters to me, the reader. And that is the rub. For me, it isn't the idea that someone puts out that will annoy me, it's their presentation of it that I'll take issue with -- because some can't help but imbue their ideas with their personal traits. Some of those traits are ... how should I put this delicately ... unflattering. So yeah, some fans expect too much, and some fans are ... just too much. On 2017-08-29 at 3:41 AM, Jedishy said: To be honest I don't think any request is too much. Because of its a request. They dont have to do it. But the requests do give them material to work with. The target audience does not buy the merch or spread the show.( parents might but kids "favorites" are fickle) The target audience is not going to give reviews. Its the Brony fandom that is going to keep them going even if they are a bit demanding. Expand Parents by far are the greatest purchasers of the toys. Not only is Has to aware of this, they are actively trying to increase the target demographic market targeting boys of the same age as their bread and butter for this brand. The to 40 year old parent has more disposable income and credit availability (more on that in a sec) than the 20 something who is carrying far more detrimental debt to income ratio. This plays a huge role during the holiday shopping season when parents traditionally rely on credit to meet shopping wants. Adult fans do buy merch, but you noticed how many seem to focus on licenced merch vs the actual Hasbro created and marketed lines because of higher quality? That's less per unit profit for them (Hasbro) even when factoring licensing fees. This is one of the driving forces behind the GoH line, the larger one being that growing segment of 6-12 year old boys that they are now including in their marketing approach. Also, parents do buy stuff outside of the 'fav' character lists of their kids. I haz muy muy 'sperience with that since ... oh ... about 2000 on. It's when they hit teenager years that that level of specificity ratchets up. Also muy muy 'sperience with that! @_@ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Petal 215 August 29, 2017 #15 Share August 29, 2017 I think the episode Fame and Misfortune answered that question for you. The answer is yes, we brony's do ask for too much, expect too much, and in some cases receive too much. Join me on my YouTube Channel. I do Brony videos, Live Stream Gaming, and I have other things too! My name is Nightfall Shadow, and you can find me at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEkRdbqqO6pFerLEz-0jEHQ/live At least I hope that is the correct link to my channel lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger Ale 723 August 29, 2017 #16 Share August 29, 2017 Asking and questioning is good. This shows bronies or pegasisters intelligence. If you question, you learn. Who else says it is bad they are wrong. 1 RP Character I Ginger Ale I Ask Me or Ginger Ale Anything I Ginger Ale's Fanfiction Story I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorPoint 35 August 29, 2017 #17 Share August 29, 2017 I think it's okay for people to have and express their hopes for the show, provided the discussion remains polite and civil. That said, I do think it's easy to sometimes forget the target audience and then create unrealistic expectations of the creators. Darker plots, for example, may be a bit too much. We've already seen some pretty scary imagery of ponies (like Twilight and Rarity) having kinda-sorta breakdowns and then what was essentially a cult at the start of Season 5 (I can't comment on anything beyond this yet). I'm not sure how much darker things could get before it stops being appropriate for young children, so I definitely think people ask too much on that front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen Pathfinder 16,162 August 29, 2017 #18 Share August 29, 2017 @VG_Addict As this is more to do with the fandom than the show itself it has been moved to Sugarcube Corner. Thanks. Pathfinder I Sojourner I Corsair | Zu'hra I Autumn | Scarlet Willow | Gypsy | Silverthorn | Crystal Whisper | Radiant Historia | And many other OCs~ Matching signatures with mah Bestie MOONLIGHT <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hierok 11,832 August 29, 2017 #19 Share August 29, 2017 Some do, but overall it is just better the ask for episodes and such. MLP did really grow thanks to bronies who thought with the writers and asked for questions. If I don't understand something or Interpret it wrong, I'm dutch. Sometimes I gamble for meanings of the words. And sometimes I write the wrong words, like week and weak for example. Sorry for it already. Discord, Twilight, Sunset, Fluttershy, Starlight, Rarity, Luna, Celestia, Big MCintosh, Cadence, Shining, Minuette, Lyra, Rara, Sweetie Belle, Cheerilee, Derpy, Spike. !Feel Free To Talk And Walk Where Ever You Like On This Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Chart Fan 819 August 29, 2017 #20 Share August 29, 2017 The issue I have when topics like this are brought up is that it's almost never clearly defined who exactly is being talked about, and how many people. And the original post here is guilty of this, only mentioning "bronies", a term which could include a very wide range of people, if not the entire adult fan base. If, as I suspect, the behavior in question is coming from only a small fraction of the fan base, then I think that's needed perspective, particularly when considering what should or shouldn't be done about it. My concern, as I've expressed before, is that if some people are led to believe that fans who are "toxic" or overly demanding are a major problem, because they believe that there are many more such fans than actually exist, then that can lead to a kind of witch hunt mentality, whereby even people who are expressing legitimate concerns or criticisms are tarred as "haters" or whatnot and ridiculed or shamed into silence, stifling the range of opinions and debate on the forums and elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkfrank 1,125 August 29, 2017 #21 Share August 29, 2017 I have been saying this line for a long time, but bronies expect Game of Thrones out of My Little Pony, we expect big complex storylines with dark action and themes to happen with more epic tales, and when we do get them (like Campfire Tales) we complain over little things and nitpick. Not all of us are like that, but during say season 6, I had to leave this forum because it was nothing but complaining and whining and was a depressing place to be. Says a lot about the critical nature of our fandom and I think it is something we need to work on. MLP is still an amazing show but people have higher expectations because we are past the point of surprise of "wow, this show is actually good" now we expect it to Wow us like it did when we first watched it, and for me, it does still, the show hasn't gotten stale or boring and I still think it is far better than other cartoons like Star, Steven, Gravity Falls, ect. In short, yes we are, and we should stop, but I do understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta 1,462 August 29, 2017 #22 Share August 29, 2017 Its not wrong to expect greatness in any show. I accept the show for what it is so i can tolerate a lot of episodes that people cant, but i have a standard so every episode should meet my standard to be called a 'Good' episode at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,528 August 29, 2017 #23 Share August 29, 2017 Such virtuous accusations, but would someone be so kind and whip out some fact-based observations on wants of this fabled target audience. Are we all even on the same page in what we consider to be the target audience? Now, I'm a lazy and irrational hater so I'm literally incapable of doing this. We need a brave hero on a powerful unicorn to save the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimGrimoire 4,973 August 29, 2017 #24 Share August 29, 2017 Some do, but not the entire fandom. Some are just along for the ride enjoying or disliking episodes on a case by case basis as they come along... while some are very vocal about the show and the direction it is taking and their viewpoints on that direction. Some are very demanding, while others are merely hopeful... but none of this is exclusive to MLP... every fandom has them and it will be constantly changing as the franchise itself changes and wants are met and new ones are created. 1 ~No profound statement needed~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponyboy sodapop 6 August 29, 2017 #25 Share August 29, 2017 Yes but look all they gave us , slice of life, make some fandom stuff canon, applejack parents episode, go a little dark with some episodes, twilight and tirek battle, and more, we should be thankful that at least they paying attention to us instead of ignoring the fandom completely, but look we are not the target audience and the fact that is going a little more mature, makes us be more thankful about hasbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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