Scootaloo switching camps from Rainbow Dash to Mare Do Well.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

MMDW is already one of the most hated episodes of the whole show, because bronies felt it broke Rainbow's character by making her TOO arrogant, as well as her friends praising their own parts of the MMDW act, making THEM arrogant too.

 

But what really annoys me about it is how it seems to show Scootaloo only cares about the best pony around. It isn't all that surprising, granted, but it seems like it was only done to further Rainbow's depression. For ponies sake, the episode begins with Scootaloo being the head of the Rainbow Dash fan club. But then she immediately drops Rainbow Dash and goes to MDW simply because she's the next big hero to show up. It would have made more sense from a story perspective if they had had Scootaloo be the reason she was getting so worked up.  Scootaloo encourages her and works her up, telling her she can't let this new face in town outshine her, as she's the best coolest pony ever. And Rainbow Dash doesn't want to lose her number one fan and the only one, in her mind, that's still on her side, so she goes to increasing lengths to try to get praise and attention so Scootaloo will keep admiring her.

 

Of course, while that would ALMOST clear up all the issues, it would put too much blame on Scootaloo, and not enough on Rainbow's own responsibility in the episode..

[Scootalove 10,689]

I guess I can't blame Scootaloo for idolizing someone that she looks up to as a hero, since she would think that heroes influence her to be just like them. The episode can show that being too arrogant and bragging, shows that nothing good can come from it plus The other Mane 5 weren't innocent at all either.

[FNGRpony 658]

kids are fickle and stupid.

 

could you imagine if rainbow would lashed out "I don't need your blank flank worship any way!"  I mean imagine if her lack of hero worship would made her snap.....

 

i just created a better reason for rainbow factory didn't I?

[Seaweed-Headed Dragon 359]

I'm not sure, I found MMDW a good episode. But you do make a point when you put it that way.

[Hive King 2,001]

I liked this episode actually, found it very thought provoking. As for Scootaloo, she never left Rainbow's camp, that's a popular myth. All she does is invite Rainbow to the Mare Do Well parade, hardly a huge act of betrayal. Surely Scootaloo can like more than one pony

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

I liked this episode actually, found it very thought provoking. As for Scootaloo, she never left Rainbow's camp, that's a popular myth. All she does is invite Rainbow to the Mare Do Well parade, hardly a huge act of betrayal. Surely Scootaloo can like more than one pony

Well the episode kinda makes it seem that way. Sure Scootaloo can like more than one pony, but the fact that the pony is 'better' than Rainbow Dash tends to make one's thoughts go in that direction that she was simply switching to admiring the new face in town.

[NavelColt 22,883]

but the fact that the pony is 'better' than Rainbow Dash tends to make one's thoughts go in that direction that she was simply switching to admiring the new face in town.

 

Precisely. 'Long-term idol and 'Man Sweetie Belle, wouldn't it be awesome to have Rainbow Dash as, like, my big sister?', is far different than 'short-term, 'shiny new bad-ass hero pony in town'. Mare Do Well was the equivalent to the new car smell, for Scootaloo. At that moment, she was cooler than Dash, because she was the new hero doing all these amazing things, but it would not have lasted very long. Popularity is fickle, and the start of something always gets shittons of attention. It does not mean that Scootaloo 'switched idols'. OneDoesNotSimply.GIF.

[Koelath 445]

Well the episode kinda makes it seem that way. Sure Scootaloo can like more than one pony, but the fact that the pony is 'better' than Rainbow Dash tends to make one's thoughts go in that direction that she was simply switching to admiring the new face in town.

 

I like MLP. I like Adventure Time. Adventure Time is better than MLP. I'm still in both fanbases.

 

Besides, Dash is arrogant and full of herself, and Scootaloo is impressionable and fickle as any child. What's to hate about the episode?

[VenomTrixie 57]

Did not like the episode, RD doesn't have a problem with bragging and having a fan club in MMDW but she didn't like the way Trixie was acting in Boast Busters? I took that as her being a hypocrite in that episode. But talking about Scootaloo I guess it was that ''new'' effect that effects people. I don't think she stopped admiring and supporting RD, I just think her main attention shifted to the new hero in town. I also felt the rest of the main 6 was wrong in how they wen't about in this episode as well, not just RD.

[Hive King 2,001]

Well the episode kinda makes it seem that way. Sure Scootaloo can like more than one pony, but the fact that the pony is 'better' than Rainbow Dash tends to make one's thoughts go in that direction that she was simply switching to admiring the new face in town.

She didn't say Mare do Well was better though

[skylights 127]

Did not like the episode, RD doesn't have a problem with bragging and having a fan club in MMDW but she didn't like the way Trixie was acting in Boast Busters? I took that as her being a hypocrite in that episode. But talking about Scootaloo I guess it was that ''new'' effect that effects people. I don't think she stopped admiring and supporting RD, I just think her main attention shifted to the new hero in town. I also felt the rest of the main 6 was wrong in how they wen't about in this episode as well, not just RD.

 

A big difference between Rainbow Dash and Trixie is how they treated other ponies. Rainbow really does help other ponies whenever she can, and just likes to be recognized for it (even if she does have a big head about it). Trixie, however, just lied about everything and used her magic to humiliate the other ponies who stood up to her bragging. Rainbow Dash would never go that far to look good.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I am not a huge Scootaloo fan, but I kinda liked the idea of her looking up to a new pony. It shows that she is free to like anyone as an ideal. If anything I wish they did an episode about her either rediscovering her love for RB or finding someone new to look up to who was not any of the mane 6. Instead we got a pointless sister episode.

[Doc. Volt 2,561]

... "oh i see what you did here Scotaloo... but you can help me again.. more than you think... you can help me making beautifull rainbows!...  it will only stink for a moment..."

 

Edited November 20, 2013 by Doc. Volt

[Serbon div 386]

MMDW is already one of the most hated episodes of the whole show, because bronies felt it broke Rainbow's character by making her TOO arrogant, as well as her friends praising their own parts of the MMDW act, making THEM arrogant too.

 

But what really annoys me about it is how it seems to show Scootaloo only cares about the best pony around. It isn't all that surprising, granted, but it seems like it was only done to further Rainbow's depression. For ponies sake, the episode begins with Scootaloo being the head of the Rainbow Dash fan club. But then she immediately drops Rainbow Dash and goes to MDW simply because she's the next big hero to show up. It would have made more sense from a story perspective if they had had Scootaloo be the reason she was getting so worked up.  Scootaloo encourages her and works her up, telling her she can't let this new face in town outshine her, as she's the best coolest pony ever. And Rainbow Dash doesn't want to lose her number one fan and the only one, in her mind, that's still on her side, so she goes to increasing lengths to try to get praise and attention so Scootaloo will keep admiring her.

 

Of course, while that would ALMOST clear up all the issues, it would put too much blame on Scootaloo, and not enough on Rainbow's own responsibility in the episode..

The point of the episode was to show how arrogance is a bad thing. And just by doing something you are good at, like what Rainbows friends did, doesn't make them arrogant. They helped her.

 

Remember the episode when Applejack was too stubborn. Or when Fluttershy was too shy. Or when Twilight panicked. This was just an episode that showed Rainbow Dash's other side of her personality, If you know what I mean.

 

All in all it seems you like Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo a lot, so this episode looked bad to you. Try viewing it from a different perspective. I thought the same thing about the Applejack episode.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

The point of the episode was to show how arrogance is a bad thing. And just by doing something you are good at, like what Rainbows friends did, doesn't make them arrogant. They helped her.

 

Remember the episode when Applejack was too stubborn. Or when Fluttershy was too shy. Or when Twilight panicked. This was just an episode that showed Rainbow Dash's other side of her personality, If you know what I mean.

 

All in all it seems you like Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo a lot, so this episode looked bad to you. Try viewing it from a different perspective. I thought the same thing about the Applejack episode.

What I meant about her friends being arrogant is that, before the reveal, when the mane 5 were talking about MDW to Rainbow Dash and how she was so amazing, each of them praised their OWN part in the charade. Rarity praised her costume and style, Twilight said she was really impressed with the spell MDW used to fix the dam and that it had to have taken a lot of study etc. That's roundabout bragging right there, and thus hypocritical to the message they were trying to get RD to realize. If they DIDN'T know who MDW was, then their comments would have been fine, as they could still try to teach Rainbow Dash a lesson through MDW's actions. But they themselves are MDW, boasting about how their own part of MDW is awesome, which is the reason they set up the whole charade in the first place for.

 

And NO! They didn't help her with the charade at all. It only made RD even more desperate for attention and made her take greater risks and when there wasn't danger she tried to force helpfulness on people who didn't need it.  It was only after they were exposed and when they sat her down and talked to her openly as her friends about how her behavior was affecting others instead of just complaining about it behind her back that she calmed down.

 

Really, it's not that I don't think the episode is any good. Some of the things I brought up in my original post came from another site talking about the episode.  And the Scootaloo/RD pairing is the basis of a fanfic I'm in the middle of right now, so that's why Scoots behavior bothers me right now. As some others brought up, she IS a kid after all, and it didn't mean she wasn't going to go back to RD once the hype wore off.

[Mywas 687]

Look, I hate the episode too. But its been what? More than a year. MOVE ON

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

Look, I hate the episode too. But its been what? More than a year. MOVE ON

Well, that may be the case for some of you, but it's only been less than 3 for me. I've only just entered into bronydom and the forums recently, and watched all the current episodes, so a lot of these things which are old news are fairly new to me.  And I don't hate the episode. I was just pointing out it's flaws.

 

And if it bothered you that much then why did you give it a brohoof?

Edited November 20, 2013 by Never2muchpinkie

[VenomTrixie 57]

A big difference between Rainbow Dash and Trixie is how they treated other ponies. Rainbow really does help other ponies whenever she can, and just likes to be recognized for it (even if she does have a big head about it). Trixie, however, just lied about everything and used her magic to humiliate the other ponies who stood up to her bragging. Rainbow Dash would never go that far to look good.

 

Helping others or putting on a show I feel boasting and saying you are the greatest is the same end result regardless of how you treated other ponies. Trixie did lie but she didn't fake everything. Also the reason she was using her magic to humiliate them was because they tried to upstage her in the first place. The main 6 should of just paid no attention to Trixie, but by trying to prove they were better then her they let there own pride take over and really was no better than Trixie at that point. Also Trixie's job is to wow and get attention. She makes her living by putting on shows. So naturally she should boast to get attention. The Mane 6 was basically trying to ruin her rep in front of her own audience which would of hurt her career. I stand by my opinion that the only wrong Trixie made in BB was lying. Everything else I felt she was a victim in that ep. I guess my opinion is biased but I still think it was wrong of RD to boast if she had a prob with Trixie early on.

Edited November 20, 2013 by VenomTrixie

[Megas 27,852]

Helping others or putting on a show I feel boasting and saying you are the greatest is the same end result regardless of how you treated other ponies. Trixie did lie but she didn't fake everything. Also the reason she was using her magic to humiliate them was because they tried to upstage her in the first place. The main 6 should of just paid no attention to Trixie, but by trying to prove they were better then her they let there own pride take over and really was no better than Trixie at that point. Also Trixie's job is to wow and get attention. She makes her living by putting on shows. So naturally she should boast to get attention. The Mane 6 was basically trying to ruin her rep in front of her own audience which would of hurt her career. I stand by my opinion that the only wrong Trixie made in BB was lying. Everything else I felt she was a victim in that ep. I guess my opinion is biased but I still think it was wrong of RD to boast if she had a prob with Trixie early on.

tbf Rainbow didn't like Trixie boasting because she thought she said it was her job. That, and at least RD can back her boasting

[Serbon div 386]

 

 

Rarity praised her costume and style, Twilight said she was really impressed with the spell MDW used to fix the dam and that it had to have taken a lot of study etc. That's roundabout bragging right there, and thus hypocritical to the message they were trying to get RD to realize.

That wasn't bragging. They were obviously teasing him, slightly hinting to him who MDW really was.

[Megas 27,852]

That wasn't bragging. They were obviously teasing him, slightly hinting to him who MDW really was.

It stopped being teasing when they started playing the jealousy card imo

 

Also, him?

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I wouldn't call it completely horrible, it's still fun to watch, but yeah. That was it's major writing problem: It butchered everyone's characterization all to hell so it could shoe-horn the moral of humility/humbleness in. 

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

That wasn't bragging. They were obviously teasing him, slightly hinting to him who MDW really was.

Him??? I know Rainbow acts like a tomgirl, but I guess you haven't watched much of the show.

Edited November 22, 2013 by Never2muchpinkie