Winterbass

The forums always brightens up my day, even if the topics and threads aren't always positive ones. Just seeing everybody again is great. You awesome people make my days so much more easier to go through.

I'm a big fan of ShinodaGE's work. He's a wonderful artist. I don't really care about vandalism of public property. Personally, I like graffiti, the good and artistic kind that is. Also, in ShinodaGE's country, graffiti is actually not against the law, so it's all fine.

That would obviously have to be my waifu, none other than this bombshell right here! Damn straight, Raindrops is back in town and still up to no good! The better question would be, what wouldn't I do with her? First, we have an epic pizza movie night, we'd watch bad monster flicks and spaghetti westerns, anything that has B-film written all over it really. Then, we'd get drunk like hell, hit the road and turn the dancefloor of every single club into a frickin' dangerzone of awesome drunk dancing. Finally, when we're both too exhausted to go on, we'd watch the stars in the local forest and fall asleep while leaning against each other like true friends.

I wasn't really sure what the term was so I gave it the name of misdirected anger. I'm confused on where you saw me trying to act like I knew you in my post. Besides the point of misdirected anger I was just referring to the fact that most people start to act really insulting and hating when you use the "get a life" argument, doesn't matter if it was directed to them or not, nowhere where was implying that you were "new to the internet". On the topic of whether they have a deeper issue or not. Not entirely. Anything can cause someone to act hostile, even when nothing has happened at all. This is due to the fact that endogenous morphine is released and stimulates the instinct of survival. In fact, more than half of someone's behavior is actually caused by endorphins entirely. Though secondary and primary negative events cause most of the misdirection, even tertiary can cause it, like being grumpy when you wake up or having a mediocre breakfast. I also, reacted more negatively when I saw the "get a life" post than I usually am. They're strong words and most, if not all, people will react more negatively. That's why saying "get a life" somewhere else will cause a lot of people to pile on you, the only difference here is that we're all decent people and a fairly close community, that and there are rules we all must follow. All in all, I wasn't trying to be negative, to put words in your mouth or to act like I knew you. -- Well, seems like I'm the only one defending bashfics, but I haven't gotten any discussion out of anyone yet, except for you.

Ugh.. It's called misdirected anger. Just like when someone who's angry is easily irritable and might push you or say mean things to you whilst the thing making him angry is something completely different. Like household conflicts or tertiary negative events. Although I do agree with fixing the things that are wrong in the world, like capitalism, we should stay on-topic. Because you too are misdirecting anger at this very moment. Too bad endogenous morphine can really change our behavior without us ever finding out. Also, avoid talking about "getting a life" on the internet. If it weren't for this place, you would be flamed to the ground. On-topic: I still don't care about bashfics, people can write them all they want, I just don't enjoy the genre. People talking trash about them isn't really going to change anything except fuel the prejudice we might already have. We're also getting the same answers in different words and from a different mouth. Does anyone have something new to add to the discussion?

...wat. smh. I'm not even going to go into everything that's wrong here. I'll stay on-topic. Anyway, the descriptions you gave are actually descriptions of hateful gorefics, not bashfics. Though bashfics do exist, I don't particularly care about them. People read them for fun or to vent, just like the writer intended them to be. To be honest, people calling any type of genre of fiction stupid, are actually the ones being everything but intelligent. I could point out numerous bad written romance or adventure stories that others might praise to the heaven, and call their respective genres insults that might not even be translatable to English. However, the genres being bad is just my opinion. Not a fact. They're not my cup of tea. I think we're forgetting that every single genre has countless of damn boring and crappy fanfics and that only a select few stand out. Just because you are unfamiliar with a genre and you are only scratching the surface of its fanfics, doesn't mean it provides as a fact for all them being the same quality. Perhaps it might be better to ask someone who's a regular in the realms of bashfics to point you to a few good ones. Read those objectively and then come back. That would be a far better approach than randomly going through sites such as fimfiction and picking out random titles from a place where the majority of stories are bad fictions anyway. That's like taking all of AJs apples, seperate the good ones from the bad ones, and say "Look! Look how many bad apples she produces! Obviously they don't care about quality!" whilst not comparing them with the amount of good apples. It just doesn't make any sense and the entire argument just doesn't hold much value. Except our situation would have a paradox. Another difference about these type of fictions, such as bash, grim and clop, is that they convey emotion in a far different manner than what you're usually used to. They're not always about a good story, they're not always about deep characters. They're exactly what their genres imply them to be, with no strings attached. This doesn't mean there aren't any who do have deep characters or a good story, but they also don't need to be. It's called simplicity, perhaps even minimalistic. It's exactly this reason why vacation novels exist. I could read A Song of Ice and Fire during my vacation in Whateverstan, but I also could choose a simple fantasy/adventure to read for relaxing, like Island. Again, another example would be watching a slasher for its story, just doesn't work. You watch them for their simplicity because you know exactly what they got in store for you. But it doesn't mean all slashers don't have good stories or good psychological stressing moments. In fact, all kinds of good stories sprout from this approach. From Robinson Crusoe, Darren Shan and Hitchhikers to Neuromancer, City of Fire and Island. Just because a story is simple in design, doesn't mean they aren't good in another person's eyes. Also, you are shining solely a subjective light on a matter that has at least a decent amount of discussive value, that's sophism, shame on you. TL;DR (Is there even such a thing on a topic about reading?), opinions are opinions, people read what they want to read, simplicity is sometimes better than complexity, stories don't need to follow a person's rules, genres exist for different reasons/not every genre is the same.

Unless the artist isn't really serious about drawing, he or she wouldn't just think "Oh well, guess the ears don't work out for me, so let's just draw them in a way I don't want them to actually be." An artist would be serious about improving and drawing the picture they have in their head. My question still stands though, why does an artist have to know the anatomy before developing their own style? I've seen plenty of artists developing their own style without even having laid a glance on the anatomy. And all of their art looks fine, if it weren't for people bringing up the whole anatomy thing non-stop. I still disagree on all of this. Yet, when looking at these pictures, they all look totally fine to me. I know what's "wrong" with them, yet it's still good art even with all their "mistakes". I'm quite sure this isn't what 5-year old children draw, nor would be seen as "bad" by the majority of people. I'd also like to add that 2 of these artists were recently hired to draw art for games. So there's that as well. I'm still confused.

A bad style will always look bad. It doesn't matter how correct everything is, if the artist "sucks", the art will be bad no matter what. I know quite a bit of anatomy, ranging from humans, horses and foxes to chickens, snakes and beetles. I'm not at all bothered by the anatomy simply because I don't think anatomy matters, even when it's up to the point of "weird" or "mutilated". If given the right approach and emotion, even those pictures can look incredible. Everyone's opinion is valid. Someone who doesn't make music can still give his or her opinion on a song. Never think your opinion's invalid, that's bollocks. That's your opinion and your feeling on how you think you yourself should draw. But what do you think about other people who, in your eyes, get the anatomy wrong? I too have certain expectations when I'm drawing myself, but that doesn't mean other people should meet mine as well. Heh, Lil' Miss Rarity wasn't actually one of the ones I had in mind, but now that I think about it, Jay also got plenty of flak for drawing the anatomy "incorrectly". I actually was thinking about Kver, Drawponies and Jitter initially. Heck, even Pigfish and CrookedTrees were annoyed by these people. -- I just don't get how people can get so upset over anatomy. I get more annoyed when people complain about it more than when someone gets it wrong. People draw however the hell they like, and they don't need to meet people's standards. That doesn't mean people should be blind to constructive criticism, but it also doesn't mean artists should meet your expectations when they're drawing for themselves.

I've been to some blogs and tumblrs just an hour ago and this particular topic came up way too many times. It kept bugging me a lot and I've decided to ask what the forums think. It's about whether you care about the way people draw their ponies, anthros, whatever, when it comes to the anatomy. To me, anatomy really doesn't matter. Most of my favorite artists don't draw anatomy "the right way", yet their art is stunning in both presentation and emotion. Sure, some people who don't care about the anatomy draw ponies in really weird ways, but does it really matter that much to people? As long as everything is in proportion, why should anatomy matter? Some artists that I follow get bombarded by comments like "Wrong anatomy, therefore not good" and "Eww, what's wrong with her anatomy? This sucks!". All of which are artists that work their ass off to make the art. I myself also have gotten similar reactions which left me trying to figure out what's wrong with my art, because I really don't see any mistakes at all. I'm also really confused why anatomy would make someone dislike or like a piece. You can't judge work just by looking at the anatomy. It's called a drawing style for a reason. So, what do you think? Is the anatomy really that important? And why? Because I really don't get why.

Depending on what kind of convert really. When someone is a hater and becomes a brony because he gives the show a chance, that's pretty cool and sweet. But I don't really get why some people need some kind of incentive to watch the show. What I mean by this is people who don't understand the show and don't feel like watching the show, suddenly give the show a chance because one aspect of the fandom seems attractive. Like, how can your opinion change so fast because of one aspect? I know a few people who would've never given the show a second glance if it weren't for other people posting pony music. How can music, entirely seperate from the show, suddenly give you the urge to watch the show when you obviously weren't going to like it and watch it if you hadn't encountered fan-made music? It feels more like a delusion they force themselves into because they feel obligated to like the show, else they aren't "allowed" to like the music for some reason unknown to me. I'm always skeptical about their love for the show or the fandom. Are they just in it for the music (aka, are you just riding along the hypetrain?) or are you really in it because you like the show and the fandom? I first encountered ponies on 4chan and when I watched the show, I joined the fandom because I like the show and the fandom, not because I just happen to like a few songs or one piece of decal. But that's just my own opinion. As long as you're in it for the show and the ponies, I'm fine with it.