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[Envy 6,000]

jis mlp "misoginy" btw, what you are saying is misoginty not misandry.

 

No, you didn't understand my original post. I was referring to a Tumblr blog called something like "MLP is misandry" which brought up things like Equestria's two rulers being female as supposed evidence of MLP being sexist against men. I was saying that, from my experience on Tumblr, it would be quite the similar exaggeration to say that the "MLP is misandry" crowd represents the MLP fandom on Tumblr, as it is to say that the "radical feminist" crowd represents feminists on Tumblr.

[Jennabun 1,578]

jis mlp "misoginy" btw, what you are saying is misoginty not misandry.

 

if you think tumblr is the opposite of the people mentioned above you are wrong, pinkiepony had a large gather of followers who pretty much did what she seemed incorrect, she harrased lots of bronies under the assumption that they were all "rapist"; and she spread numerous lies about the fandom (likes like a girl was harrased at babscon, that she was assaulted by 6 bronies, and that she attempted ssuicied and nobody cared cause she wasnt a brony) and her followers also got someone deported.

 

dragondicks jsut continues with her legacy, if you check her tumblr page you cans ee the little DWM thing, which was some kind of propaganda shit against bronies because they were all rapist because of a blog called ask molestia (which didint had anything to do with rape at all) but it left a pretty big stain in the fandom, she pretty much does the same as pinkiepony, spreading lies about the fandom. (oh also forgot, their followers also like to harrass and send death threats to those who disagree with them)

 

(i could give you a whole story about what PP did if you are interested)

 

then there is alot the blogs titled destroy all bronies, ponies against bronies and all that kind of crap, that generalize the fandom as misgonist and blah blah blah.

 

thats the majority of tumblr, and thats the reason why it has that reputation

 

Actually, I see some value to some of the "anti-brony" blogs (even though I, myself, identify with the brony fandom). Not all of them all quality blogs by any means so don't get me wrong there, but some have value to them. I have seen a pattern of misogyny in the brony fandom, and others must have too. Therefore, I think the fandom needs to be kept in check when it comes to gender equality. The fandom isn't all misogynistic of couse, otherwise I would not waste my time with it. I've found that the majority of bronies are accepting and friendly, regardless of a person's gender. But there are some problems - we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking we're all flawless. I enjoy reading some of Ponies Against Bronies' posts because it keeps me aware of problems to be fixed within the fandom. I feel like there's something healthy about people willing to call out communities against their bullshit. It keeps us thinking. It keeps us aware. That's especially important, especially in a male-dominated fandom where people may accidentally not be looking out for the interest of women and girls.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Jennabun

[FoxyCryptid 4,327]

Actually, I see some value to some of the "anti-brony" blogs (even though I, myself, identify with the brony fandom). Not all of them all quality blogs by any means so don't get me wrong there, but some have value to them. I have seen a pattern of misogyny in the brony fandom, and others must have too. Therefore, I think the fandom needs to be kept in check when it comes to gender equality. The fandom isn't all misogynistic of couse, otherwise I would not waste my time with it. I've found that the majority of bronies are accepting and friendly, regardless of a person's gender. But there are some problems - we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking we're all flawless. I enjoy reading some of Ponies Against Bronies' posts because it keeps me aware of problems to be fixed within the fandom. I feel like there's something healthy about people willing to call out communities against their bullshit. It keeps us thinking. It keeps us aware. That's especially important, especially in a male-dominated fandom where people may accidentally not be looking out for the interest of women and girls.

 

 

The problem is that the vast majority of Tumblr anti-bronies are like rabid dogs that will eat anything you feed them, regardless of it's just true or not and endlessly spout the same debunked statements over and over again no matter how many people shoot them down and tear them apart. 

[Sigma 768]

@@Jennabun,

To each his/her own. I respect you not wanting a debate, so I'm dropping the subject. I really do hope that you get over that paranoia though. It's not healthy to be afraid of things that probably won't even happen. It's like being afraid of driving because driving is one of the most fatal things ever

 

 

It's bullshit. With that logic, lesbian porn is more feminist than stuff like Pacific Rim

 

I seriously doubt the rules where made to ask "How feminist is the movie?" I'm thinking it's more along the lines of "Does the movie show women as more than just damsels in distress?"

[Hive King 1,998]

I seriously doubt the rules where made to ask "How feminist is the movie?" I'm thinking it's more along the lines of "Does the movie show women as more than just damsels in distress?"

Let me rephrase. According to the Beschdel Test, Rapunzel is less of a damsel than Mako

[Sigma 768]

Let me rephrase. According to the Beschdel Test, Rapunzel is less of a damsel than Mako

 

I don't know the stories to either of those women, but again, I think you're using the rules to answer the wrong question. The question isn't "Is it a damsel in distress movie?", its "Does the movie show women as nothing more than damsels in distress?" A movie can have a damsel in distress without it showing women as nothing more than such.

[Hive King 1,998]

I don't know the stories to either of those women, but again, I think you're using the rules to answer the wrong question. The question isn't "Is it a damsel in distress movie?", its "Does the movie show women as nothing more than damsels in distress?" A movie can have a damsel in distress without it showing women as nothing more than such.

Let me explain

 

One does nothing but sit in a tower, waiting for a prince to save her

 

The other pilots a robot into battle and gets over trauma of her parents dying. 

[Sigma 768]

Let me explain

 

One does nothing but sit in a tower, waiting for a prince to save her

 

The other pilots a robot into battle and gets over trauma of her parents dying. 

 

There are all sorts of of people in this world, not all of which are fighters. Now imagine both of those women in the same movie.

[Hive King 1,998]

There are all sorts of of people in this world, not all of which are fighters. Now imagine both of those women in the same movie.

Ummm....the movie wouldn't change much since one of them would just be hiding away

[Cyan Blue 946]

EDIT: Getting rid of this post, carry on.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Cyan Blue

[Sigma 768]

Ummm....the movie wouldn't change much since one of them would just be hiding away

 

So you're saying that all women have to be fighters? That's like saying all men have to be fighters. If I was portrayed in a movie, I wouldn't want to be this robot fighting badass. Do you want to know why? Because I'm not. I'm more likely to be trapped in a tower, in all honesty. Again, not everyone's a fighter. (Sorry about the excessive use of bold text, by the way.)

[Hive King 1,998]

So you're saying that all women have to be fighters? That's like saying all men have to be fighters. If I was portrayed in a movie, I wouldn't want to be this robot fighting badass. Do you want to know why? Because I'm not. I'm more likely to be trapped in a tower, in all honesty. Again, not everyone's a fighter. (Sorry about the excessive use of bold text, by the way.)

You're missing the point. Literally her only personality trait is that she's weak and hides in a tower. Her only relevance is that her crying can heal, but it's only used as a deus ex machina

[Sigma 768]

You're missing the point. Literally her only personality trait is that she's weak and hides in a tower. Her only relevance is that her crying can heal, but it's only used as a deus ex machina

 

The movie is about a kidnapped girl in a tower, I'll give you that. However, as the person tries to save her, he makes friends and gains allies, half of which are strong women that know how to fight and are pretty useful on the journey. The women that assist the main protagonist aren't overly-sexualized, speak their minds when the time is right, aren't all butch (some are, some aren't, it's their choice), and prove that women are equal to men. How can the movie show that women are nothing but damsels in distress when you have such awesome, female supporting protagonists? A flat damsel in distress character does put a bad taste in my mouth, but that doesn't automatically mean the movie's saying something negative about women.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Asterisk Propernoun

[Hive King 1,998]

The movie is about a kidnapped girl in a tower, I'll give you that. However, as the person tries to save her, he makes friends and gains allies, half of which are strong women that know how to fight and are pretty useful on the journey. The women that assist the main protagonist aren't overly-sexualized, speak their minds when the time is right, aren't all butch (some are, some aren't, it's their choice), and prove that women are equal to men. How can the movie show that women are nothing but damsels in distress when you have such awesome, female supporting protagonists? A flat damsel in distress character does put a bad taste in my mouth, but that doesn't automatically mean the movie's saying something.

Wait, what? 

 

Rapunzel doesn't have that. The only other female charactes are Rapunzel's mom, who does nothing, and the witch, who is just an evil bastard with no redeeming traits. 

[Jennabun 1,578]

To pass the Bechdel test, a movie just has to have two named female characters and they have to talk to each other about something other than a man. The Bechdel test has nothing to do with damsels in distress. It isn't a measure of how strong or courageous the female characters are. It just shows whether or not the movie showcases female characters in a way that isn't male-focused.

 

It's a cool way to analyze if a movie is feminist-friendly, but it's not all-inclusive. Some movies that fail the Bechdel test have great, well-rounded female characters. Some movies that pass the Bechdel test are still sexist as hell.

 

Basically it's alright to use, just make sure you're looking at the whole picture.

 

@, and @, - make sure the arguing isn't getting out of hand please. This thread is supposed to be discussion-based and friendly in nature (a "feminist safe space" of sorts), not a place for constant debating. There's nothing wrong with those debates, and what you're discussing is great content, I just don't want them to overtake this particular thread, please.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Jennabun

[Sigma 768]

Wait, what? 

 

Rapunzel doesn't have that. The only other female charactes are Rapunzel's mom, who does nothing, and the witch, who is just an evil bastard with no redeeming traits.

 

EDIT: Actually forget what I said. I'll just admit that the test is probablistic, not deterministic.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Asterisk Propernoun

[Hive King 1,998]

Hmm, you're making a point that I lack the knowledge in, seeing as I don't know Repunzel's story... Can you give me an idea on how the story meets the rules, but is still a bad story?

Some guy takes a cabbage from a witch's garden, witch gets pissed and demands his baby in tribute. The guy obliges and the witch locks up the baby in a tower, letting her hair grow longer and longer. A prince comes by at one point and uses her hair to climb into the tower. They have sex and the prince leaves. The witch notices Rapunzel is pregnant and gets mad. She cuts off Rapunzel's hair and sets her into the wild. When the prince comes back, he climbs the severed hair and is so sad that Rapunzel isn't there, he jumps off the tower and gouges his eyes out with thorns. He wanders the woods for a while before finding Rapunzel with two kids. She cries on him and his eyes magically come back and that's the end

 

The witch and Rapunzel talk a lot, so it does pass the test

Edited July 8, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Sigma 768]

Some guy takes a cabbage from a witch's garden, witch gets pissed and demands his baby in tribute. The guy obliges and the witch locks up the baby in a tower, letting her hair grow longer and longer. A prince comes by at one point and uses her hair to climb into the tower. They have sex and the prince leaves. The witch notices Rapunzel is pregnant and gets mad. She cuts off Rapunzel's hair and sets her into the wild. When the prince comes back, he climbs the severed hair and is so sad that Rapunzel isn't there, he jumps off the tower and gouges his eyes out with thorns. He wanders the woods for a while before finding Rapunzel with two kids. She cries on him and his eyes magically come back and that's the end

 

The witch and Rapunzel talk a lot, so it does pass the test

 

I see your point. However, I edited my message before you made the post. I'll admit that the Bechdel Test isn't fool-proof. I still believe that it's a good indicator. However, it shouldn't be your only indicator.

To pass the Bechdel test, a movie just has to have two named female characters and they have to talk to each other about something other than a man. The Bechdel test has nothing to do with damsels in distress. It isn't a measure of how strong or courageous the female characters are. It just shows whether or not the movie showcases female characters in a way that isn't male-focused.

 

It's a cool way to analyze if a movie is feminist-friendly, but it's not all-inclusive. Some movies that fail the Bechdel test have great, well-rounded female characters. Some movies that pass the Bechdel test are still sexist as hell.

 

Basically it's alright to use, just make sure you're looking at the whole picture.

 

@, and @, - make sure the arguing isn't getting out of hand please. This thread is supposed to be discussion-based and friendly in nature (a "feminist safe space" of sorts), not a place for constant debating. There's nothing wrong with those debates, and what you're discussing is great content, I just don't want them to overtake this particular thread, please.

 

Don't worry, I'm sure both of us had the feminists' interests in mind while debating, it's just that we had different views within that mind set. As the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome.

[Kay Dreamer 884]

@, 

 

I think for the sake of comparing Rapunzel to Pacific Rim, you'd want to use the Disney version. (Same media, both modern.) It does present her as a nuanced and rather self-capable character. She wasn't rescued by Flynn so much as she lacked the confidence to make the journey to see the lights without a guide, and decided to go once she made him agree to take her. And she ends up saving him in the end. I really loved her characterisation. She was unfamiliar with the big wide world, and very naive, but she faced it with courage and enthusiasm. She's actually one of my favourite Disney Princesses.

 

The Bechdel Test isn't always an indicator of a quality female character. As Jenna said, it's looking for proof that the female characters have lives, opinions and a story which does not constantly revolve around the lives, opinions and story of men. It's not fool-proof, and it's just one of many things you look at when analysing a movie. (I mean, Black Widow is the only female Avenger in the Marvel cinematic lineup so far, and she's a huge fan favourite. Granted, the comics do a great job of furthering her characterisation, but she's been treated fabulously in The Avengers and The Winter Soldier. Neither of which, from memory, would pass the Bechdel Test.)

[Jennabun 1,578]

Came across this on Tumblr and loved it. Please read it. Let me know if anyone knows who the artist is and I'll link them, but the source wasn't listed where I found it But yeah, this perfectly demonstrates how feminism isn't "women vs men" but actually a movement that can benefit both genders. Femininity needs to stop being belitted, not just so women can stop being belittled, but so men can stop being belittled too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,152]

Came across this on Tumblr and loved it. Please read it. Let me know if anyone knows who the artist is and I'll link them, but the source wasn't listed where I found it But yeah, this perfectly demonstrates how feminism isn't "women vs men" but actually a movement that can benefit both genders. Femininity needs to stop being belitted, not just so women can stop being belittled, but so men can stop being belittled too.

 

 

 

[[snip]]

 

A lot of that sounds so familiar to me...thanks for posting that.

[Hive King 1,998]

I like the comic, but again, I've run into bad stuff on Tumblr a bit too much. I won't discriminate, but I will instantly go "Great, another 14 year old girl with a god complex". I know not everyone on Tumblr is like this, but these are the ones I see most often. You'll understand if the title feminist is a bit sensitive for me. Like I said earlier, all of you are nice and I don't dislike you. I'm wary of the word feminist but if you show me you're nice, we'll have no problems

 

[Zygen 6,065]

I can't say I know my view on feminism, I guess you could say that atleast I do believe women should have equal rights as long as it doesn't become women above men. 

 

I certainly don't think that women should be treated unequally for sure. Much less as flat out slaves or anything, that just doesn't sound right to me any way you slice it.

 

I certainly don't agree with extremists either, because obviously being a man myself I am not going to accept the fact that men are just animalistic and useless.

 

However I do understand that many feminists are not this extremist view that feminism is made out to be, i'm not going to be ignorant to those who are actually going for true equality. 

 

However unfortunately the fact that many girls I know could be considered radical feminists, as they don't care for guys, or hate them outright, or think they are inferior, I've even had them make comments like "Girls can do everything guys can do, plus 1" and when it's pounded into your head enough sometimes you have to wonder sometimes.

 

Regardless while I feel I have a hard time believing there are good intentions behind feminism with the behavior of girls I have come across at times who just come off as rude or whinny or annoying or just leave a sour taste in my mouth with regards to feminism and women in general. 

 

But I do think women should have equality, just make sure that equality is equality, and not something skewed. 

 

Does that make any sense? I'm not very good at explaining myself, I just want to make it clear that while I have been around many women who are not of the feminism i'd support, I still understand there is true good feminists out there who I suppose I support?

 

Honestly many times I'd rather hang around girls in many cases, I find some to be much nicer and even some who are slightly less radical feminists are ok as long as they're not directly discussing men vs women or anything. 

 

They also tend to be more caring and willing to listen to you from an emotional standpoint, and are better at it then guys typically, but unfortunately guys and feelings don't mix much in society, so the side effect is even when we do talk about feelings, we're kind of really bad at it, due to lack of experience. 

 

And of course while there are girls who are extremist and radical and annoying, I know plenty of guys who I dislike for other reasons.

 

So really there's bad apples in both bunches, and ups and downs to both in all aspects, but I think we should still strive for equality between men and women. Maybe learn a thing or two from each other to better ourselves as humans as a whole.

Came across this on Tumblr and loved it. Please read it. Let me know if anyone knows who the artist is and I'll link them, but the source wasn't listed where I found it But yeah, this perfectly demonstrates how feminism isn't "women vs men" but actually a movement that can benefit both genders. Femininity needs to stop being belitted, not just so women can stop being belittled, but so men can stop being belittled too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I can agree with many parts of this comic. Honestly this might even better explain my views on feminism in some aspects than my actual post ;p.

[GGG 176]

just for the record:

 

rape culture is women being killed for being raped, because she lost her virginity

 

rape culture is the society that sees virginity as some kind of product, and actively kidnapp virgins to sell them.

 

rape culture is thinking raping a virgin girl will cure your aids.

 

first world country societies bash rapist, even criminals are attacked EVEN KILLED in prisons by the inmantes, just liek child abusers. (we are talking about the people that raped OUTSIDE THE PRISON, they are seen as filthy, the prisoners that rape inside give the excuse they have sexual needs)

 

there are tons of organizations that help rape victims and aid them in such a traumatic experience.

 

that proves there is NO rape culture in america, or britain, or canada.

 

also, rape in fiction is just that FICTION, most of the content where this rape is aimed is at mature people, people that can tell between right and wrong, that has already set their mind in what they want to do, if by the time you are 18 you still are a rapist, or you arent one, some rape image in some porn site is NOT magically make you change your mind.

 

being scared of being rape is NORMAL, just like being scared of being kidnapped or assaulted, it doesnt mean there is a kidnapp culture or an assault culture, there will ALWAYS be crime, and we always have to be wary of it.

 

just putting here to clear some minds about the so called rape culture, because is the thing is mostly debated.

Edited July 8, 2014 by twistedmetalero

[Juniper Moon 11]

 

 

Seriously, it's something I noticed right away. I got a bunch of backlash once just for saying something as simple as "I like MLP because it's nice to see strong female characters in the spotlight for once."

  That is just silly. Did they notice what they were watching?  For heaven's sakes, the original demographic of MLP was LITTLE GIRLS. I think the people that gave you trouble are still a little freaked out that they are fans, and are passing the drama over to the female fans. Which again, is silly. And kind of weird. 

  That is just silly. Did they notice what they were watching?  For heaven's sakes, the original demographic of MLP was LITTLE GIRLS. I think the people that gave you trouble are still a little freaked out that they are fans, and are passing the drama over to the female fans. Which again, is silly. And kind of weird. 

The word I was looking for was "ironic" not weird. Brain Fart.