How would feel about Rarity if/when she breaks Spike's heart?

[Colon Leftbracket 971]

It's a pretty tragic love story.

 

It's one of the few things that keeps me from loving Rarity is that she does take advantage of Spike's feelings which is cruel!

[Forlong 1,726]

If someone has an obsessive crush on you and you don't like them back,

that makes you a bad person.

What is logic?

~

 

You would have a better point if that was actually what they were hinting at in the show. Rarity frequently shows hints of reciprocating Spike's feelings. Being strangely overprotective of him and calling him pet names. If she's teasing him with this behavior, its perfectly understandable for people to be upset about it.

[Jokuc 8,174]

She won't!

[hironakamura 126]

She won't!

 

I'm not saying she will. I'm asking how would people react if she did.

 

We know Rarity is manipulative. She's done things in episodes where she "charms" characters into doing stuff for her or to give her something as mentioned earlier in the thread. So its not impossible she may be doing it to Spike too.

 

Some people think Rarity only likes Spike as a friend. That's fine but it seems like Rarity isn't clear about it. If we knew for certain that Spike understands Rarity only wants to be friends, then him doing nice things for her is perfectly fine by me. At least I know he's doing it out of friendship instead of being tricked into thinking his love would be returned.

 

I think that's what would hurt Spike more. Realizing Rarity was only tricking him instead of Rarity only wanting to be friends.

Edited April 7, 2012 by hironakamura

[StayPuft 24]

I've always seen the relationship as a 6th grader who has the hots for a high school cheerleader; it just won't work out. Spike will have to realize it eventually, and if he doesn't Rarity might have to step in and say something.

[Jokuc 8,174]

I'm not saying she will. I'm asking how would people react if she did.

 

We know Rarity is manipulative. She's done things in episodes where she "charms" characters into doing stuff for her or to give her something as mentioned earlier in the thread. So its not impossible she may be doing it to Spike too.

 

Some people think Rarity only likes Spike as a friend. That's fine but it seems like Rarity isn't clear about it. If we knew for certain that Spike understands Rarity only wants to be friends, then him doing nice things for her is perfectly fine by me. At least I know he's doing it out of friendship instead of being tricked into thinking his love would be returned.

 

I think that's what would hurt Spike more. Realizing Rarity was only tricking him instead of Rarity only wanting to be friends.

 

I know, but since I know she won't, there is no need for me to think about how I'd react.

 

 

But I would probably be sad since I like the love between them :3

 

 

Edited April 7, 2012 by Jokuc

[TwiForLife 87]

Well it's going to happen eventually? Right? As much as I love Rarispike, I don't see them going very far, and if they were, the writers would have put more emphasis on them.

[hironakamura 126]

Well it's going to happen eventually? Right? As much as I love Rarispike, I don't see them going very far, and if they were, the writers would have put more emphasis on them.

 

More than they already have?

[TwiForLife 87]

More than they already have?

IMO yes. I just don't think Rarity's heart is into it as much as Spike's is, and they haven't even been talked about is as much in the second seaon.

[hironakamura 126]

IMO yes. I just don't think Rarity's heart is into it as much as Spike's is, and they haven't even been talked about is as much in the second seaon.

 

By comparing S1 and S2, its really more about quantity vs quality. In S1, Spike's crush was really just a side gag but it appeared a lot in many episodes. In S2, it only appeared in Secret of my Excess but the writers acknowledge the crush angle into an over arcing plot bunny that defies the show's normal lack of continuity for the longest compared to all the others like "the birth of the Cake Twins" or "RD gaining a pet turtle."

 

TLDR, compare being used as her pin cushion to being referred to as her little Spikey-Wikey. Its hard to miss if you have all episodes saved in your hard drive.

Edited April 7, 2012 by hironakamura

[Queen Cassie 3,058]

My opinion on the Rarity/Spike relationship is that it has always been a mostly one sided affair, with Spike having a little kid's crush on Rarity, while Rarity mostly thinks he's just adorable. Does she occasionally take advantage of him? That's debatable. Sure, she used him as a pin cushion at one point, but as he said in the episode, he has such thick scales that it didn't harm him at all. He was choosing to help her out. He's chosen to help her out many other times, particularly in hunting down gems during A Dog and Pony Show, and even hauling her trash to the curb in Party of One, an incident I notice tends to escape mention most of the time.

 

After Secret of My Excess, I feel that Rarity's feelings shifted more towards caring for Spike like something akin to a little brother, or cousin, or even something like a son. Her nodding in the episode while they fell struck me as her getting caught up in the romanticism of the moment, and wasn't really a sign that she loves him in a romantic sense. She cares about him, as she's proven several times since, most notably in Dragon Quest, but she's not in love with him.

 

Unfortunately I don't think the show is ever going to give us a clear answer one way or the other. I'm personally not comfortable with the idea of either of them being romantically involved with the other because one is a child and the other is an adult. And due to the nature of the show, handling Spike's heartbreak would be extremely difficult without it derailing the events of whatever episode it's happening in. Unless they make an episode dedicated to the Spike/Rarity relationship, which I don't expect they will, odds are it's never going to be resolved in canon. We're going to have to make judgements for ourselves as to what happens.

 

Personally, my opinion of Rarity isn't going to change. I think fairly highly of her even if she does have her moments of manipulative greed, because she's, at heart, a good person. I certainly don't think she's using and abusing Spike in any sense. So whatever the resolution ultimately ends up being, I probably won't be upset.

[Key Gear 6,663]

 

 

Thank you for writing this out. It is exactly what I would have written, only it is more eloquently phrased.

 

I completely agree with everything that you wrote. Rarity seems to be taking on an "overly protective aunt" style role towards Spike. As you say, you could especially see the signs of this relationship in the Dragon Quest episode:

• Rarity was the first one to defend Spike from RD's jeering
• She then proceeded to completely embarrass him with all of the talk of "cutest widdle chubby cheeks" and "waddling"
• She was the first one to ask about following Spike
• She was ready and willing to rip the dragons to pieces to protect Spike

Clearly, Rarity cares about Spike a lot. I mean a whole lot. To protect Spike, she was willing to do something that goes completely against her normal mode of operation - get into an all-out brawl. To add to this, the fight would have had indeterminate odds of victory.

 

I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of a romantic relationship between the two because not only is there an age and maturity difference, but there is also the fact that they seem to be moving in more of a familial type of relationship. To reverse this trend and move back to an actual romantic relationship is something that would not make much sense within the context of the show.

 

Speaking just for myself, my opinion of Rarity has actually improved due to the development of her relationship with Spike in the show. It shows that Rarity is not just some conceited fashionista, and, for me, it has completely undone the damage that the character of Rarity took when she was so harsh with Sweetie Belle in the Sisterhooves Social episode.

 

For the future, I do not think that there will be any heartbreak. My reason for thinking this is that I am quite sure that Spike will naturally grow out of his crush on Rarity. More than likely, this will lead to him considering her as a supportive aunt or older-sister type figure. To me, this would be a sign that Spike is finally maturing as a character and it would be a good thing.

[hironakamura 126]

Thank you for all your opinions. Spike is my favorite character. I hope you're all right that in the future he does not get heart broken because I will really be angry at the character that breaks his heart.

 

But then what do we do if he gets another "ice cream dream" about Rarity?

[SBaby 660]

Meh, he'll grow out of it. Dragons and Ponies can't be together, he'll realize sometime.

That's what they said about Espers and Humans...

 

Honestly, I don't think they'll really go anywhere beyond what we've seen. If they delve too much into a real romantic relationship, then it'll just get weird, and if she shoots him down, then the show becomes a soap opera and honestly if that happens, the show will lose ALOT of its luster, in my opinion. One of the great things about FiM is that it's NOT a soap opera. And when it looks like it's sliding in that direction, someone usually pulls it back and things get back to normal very fast.

 

So honestly, I think they'll play it safe here and just keep it as a running theme.

Edited April 8, 2012 by SBaby

[FlutterDerpy582 89]

Personally, I believe this would be a good episode to have. It would show how to handle with heart break, and the message with can be something along the lines of "manipulation is wrong". It can end with Rarity apologizing to spike and they are friends again.

 

It would also be a huge character development episode, Rarity is known for being minipulitive throughout the series, one of the shows downfall for the "target age group" of smaller children imo. The creators show that she does this, however never follow up that its technically the wrong thing to do. This post is open for discussion, I would love to hear everyponys thoughts!

[/mlp/ 106]

Spike would CRY and probably go into depression eating TUBS of ice cream and it will take twilight to cheer him up

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[Akemi Homura 7,681]

I honestly believe that this pairing has an immense amount of potential, solely based on the fact that no one ever dared to make this possible during the absolute beginning of the show itself. However, the major "barrier", if you will, here is that Spike's level of maturity and Rarity's level of maturity seem to largely contrast, seeing as how Rarity is the most formal of the group whereas Spike tends to act like a 12 year-old (although a mature one, at that).

 

If this is the case, I would assume Spike would be in just a rather moderate funk for a while if Rarity rejected him, albeit politely. However, if he gets the vibe that Rarity only thinks of him as someone who she just uses for convenience, it could do a hefty amount of damage to his heart and mind... which would obviously create problems within the realms of the Mane 6's friendships (Reference: The Judas Kiss, from FIMFiction. Although it's a fanfic, it demonstrates this scenario quite well).

 

As for the topic at hand, I would be slightly disappointed if the two don't end up being together later on in the series (if they all age a bit more), seeing as how this is the only real canon pairing which could very well be deemed as highly possible, but based on the aforementioned I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Rarity with someone else, given the right circumstances.

[hironakamura 126]

Personally, I believe this would be a good episode to have. It would show how to handle with heart break, and the message with can be something along the lines of "manipulation is wrong". It can end with Rarity apologizing to spike and they are friends again.

 

It would also be a huge character development episode, Rarity is known for being minipulitive throughout the series, one of the shows downfall for the "target age group" of smaller children imo. The creators show that she does this, however never follow up that its technically the wrong thing to do. This post is open for discussion, I would love to hear everyponys thoughts!

 

I actually felt guilty the moment I posted this topic. Its meant for fanfic research and never thought it would ever be applied as an idea for an episode.

 

Hypothetically, if somehow it was used as an idea for an episode, the concept would be cruel for both characters in different ways. Fans that are sympathetic for Spike will feel really bad while Rarity will appear almost like a villain, not deemed to be a good role model for little girls.

 

The show itself has a "feels good" aura and something like this is as inappropriate as one the characters suddenly shouting profanities on screen. The writers have developed Spike and Rarity to become closer than ever this season. They even made it look like she cares about him more than Twilight does. Its canon that he is her little Spikey-Wikey just as much as she is his Lady Rarity. The way she cares about him, I don't think she could really break his heart without breaking her own heart in the process for causing the little guy pain.

 

... It doesn't negate the fact that Rarity was still portrayed as manipulative towards other characters in the series. I hope they change that about her, though.

Edited April 9, 2012 by hironakamura

[Dreadmallon 353]

Me: Spike, why do you like Rarity?

 

Spike: She's pretty

[FlutterDerpy582 89]

I actually felt guilty the moment I posted this topic. Its meant for fanfic research and never thought it would ever be applied as an idea for an episode.

 

Hypothetically, if somehow it was used as an idea for an episode, the concept would be cruel for both characters in different ways. Fans that are sympathetic for Spike will feel really bad while Rarity will appear almost like a villain, not deemed to be a good role model for little girls.

 

The show itself has a "feels good" aura and something like this is as inappropriate as one the characters suddenly shouting profanities on screen. The writers have developed Spike and Rarity to become closer than ever this season. They even made it look like she cares about him more than Twilight does. Its canon that he is her little Spikey-Wikey just as much as she is his Lady Rarity. The way she cares about him, I don't think she could really break his heart without breaking her own heart in the process for causing the little guy pain.

 

... It doesn't negate the fact that Rarity was still portrayed as manipulative towards other characters in the series. I hope they change that about her, though.

 

No need to feel guilty about it, I was speaking hypothetically. However you do bring up some good points, since were on the topic, I propose a friendly debate?

 

That's the funny thing about FIM, they can take some pretty serious topics, and still make it enjoyable to watch. I see how you can consider it a "cruel" topic, but Isn't this show more or less about going through life experiences, and dealing with hardships? Being a little bias here, but even the best role models can be improved upon, and an episode like this would be great for character development for both Rarity and Spike, as well as showing that whole "Being manipulative is wrong" sort of theme that is portrayed in Rarity.

 

Yes this season really has shown both Rarity and Spike getting quite closer, which is why it would undoubtedly be important for Rarity to go to spike, and tell how much she really does care for him. It is of equal importance however, to show how she is over doing the whole "Do things for me" sort of mindset. The way I see, Rarity is portrayed very smart, and elegant she would find a way to let him off easy, and have a mutual decision in the end.

 

Yes, it would be a very different episode, and possibly would leave fans disappointed with the episode overall. Once again, being bias, I believe it is important to have a good story line, and character development, as well as funny and simply entertaining episodes. FIM has a great foundation to balance that out. Just look at the "Hurricane Fluttershy", that was all about character development for Fluttershy, and fans loved that. Admittedly, this would sort of episode would be a bit more harsh, but never the less, it's a part of life that I believe would be important to show.

Edited April 9, 2012 by YourAverageBronie582

[XMark 18]

At the end of Dragon Quest, Spike says that he thinks of the ponies (including Rarity) as his family. So it seems to me that Spike himself has familyzoned their relationship.

 

Besides, he's still a baby dragon and he shouldn't really be thinking about love yet.

[hironakamura 126]

At the end of Dragon Quest, Spike says that he thinks of the ponies (including Rarity) as his family. So it seems to me that Spike himself has familyzoned their relationship.

 

Besides, he's still a baby dragon and he shouldn't really be thinking about love yet.

 

Within the context of "Dragon Quest" he meant he belonged with ponies in general as his kin compared to the dragon species. If you're going with this strange family zoned idea (that children probably won't understand because Spike canonically likes Rarity) then it would mean he only treats Twilight, Rarity and RD as his family excluding AJ, Pinkie and Fluttershy...

 

And just because you think he shouldn't think about love for being a baby dragon, doesn't negate the fact that he DOES think about love portrayed in the episodes where as the ponies themselves don't.

Edited April 9, 2012 by hironakamura

[RikuHeartsLuna 0]

"RARITY! How could you?! Hmph!"

[Daring Do 195]

Well, despite the proof in context, we can't really say that Rarity WON'T reject him at some point. I mean, Spike is still a baby dragon, and even if he does grow up, Rarity seems to be giving more of a congratulatory relationship, such as giving Spike a kiss on the cheek when she gets the fire ruby. And all in all... Doesn't Rarity seem promiscuous? I mean, she obviously finds advantage in charming people, and when one is married, if one is ever, that charm becomes restricted.