Luna and Celestias Parents: What Pony Species are they?

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

So What pony types do you think luna and celestias parents were?

I have came up with three Possible answers:

1) One of them is a Pegasus and the other is a Unicorn. it might be possible but it would leave alot of plotholes. Also Since alot of unicorn/pegasus Couples must have had children then why arent they alicorns?(It is semi-confirmed that the four princesses are the only current Alicorns in Equestria)

 

2) Both of them are Alicorns: This would actually make sense And wouldn't leave alot of plotholes since there both alicorns Then it makes logic that all of their foals are alicorns.

 

3) Their Mother Is an Alicorn while their Father was a Pegasus/Earth Pony/Unicorn: Even if it doesn't make as sense as the Second one Its Safe to assume this will be canon seeing All of the Alicorns so far are Females.

 

So which one do you think is going to be canon, Please vote and say why in comment

Edited May 23, 2013 by 100 beasts kaidou

[Orablanco Account 3,707]

My head canon is that they were earth pony aristocrats living in that castle in the Everfree Forest, and thus the sisters were earth ponies who became princesses when they were the first to use the Elements of Harmony against Discord.

[Nature's Spell 526]

My head canon is that they were unicorns, but I have nothing to base that on of course. It seems like alicorns are made and not born. Twilight former unicorn and Cadence former Pegasus raised by Earth ponies.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I'm going with that both parents are alicorns, but of a higher level. To the point that they are both gods in another world. They set Celestia and Luna to the pony world with the elements to battle Discord and they were to rule the land.

 

I don't believe in the pegasus and unicorn mating thing. If they are a unicorn and a pegasus they well only have pegasus and unicorn genes. The two genes won't combine at all.

[Princess Periwinkle 3,775]

In my head canon Celestia and Luna are the last of an ancient race of Alicorns, who were wiped out thousands of years ago in a war when Celestia and Luna were still young.

[Rainbow Sherbet 36]

I think that Luna and Celestia's parents were both great alicorns. Perhaps their mother was the Queen of Dawn and their father the King of Dusk. I really like this picture:

 

[Princess Periwinkle 3,775]

I think that Luna and Celestia's parents were both great alicorns. Perhaps their mother was the Queen of Dawn and their father the King of Dusk. I really like this picture:

 

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I love that picture, and it always makes me sad for some reason. I guess it's because of how hopeful Celestia and especially Luna look... they know not of the dark times ahead of them. I generally think of their parents looking like this, though.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Sky Chaser

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Part of me wonders whether they even had parents at all, honestly. They seem to be an entirely different type of Alicorn from Twilight and Cadence, and ultimately it would seem that magic would have to be involved in their origin. Like Greek mythology, many of the gods weren't "born". Perhaps they were born of the thoughts of the Fausticorn . 

[fluffpudge 148]

My thoughts match the most popular vote here; I simply think they're both alicorns.

However, I could see them as being really anything- since from Magical Mystery Cure, we did see how Twilight gained her wings. I'd imagine the same process could happen for any other pony worthy of a princess title, wings or horn being gained in the process.

Part of me wonders whether they even had parents at all, honestly. They seem to be an entirely different type of Alicorn from Twilight and Cadence, and ultimately it would seem that magic would have to be involved in their origin. Like Greek mythology, many of the gods weren't "born". Perhaps they were born of the thoughts of the Fausticorn . 

 

Actually, the thing about Twilight and Cadence is an interesting point to bring to attention. It's also interesting to note that their aging process is also different- so maybe Celestia and Luna are just an essence of magic? Very interesting point to have mentioned- it entirely slipped my mind that they are different from the other two alicorns we've seen.

 

 

 

[Callisto 1,877]

I personally think they were regular unicorns, and Celestia and Luna were also regular unicorns, who were children around the time the Hearth's Warming Eve story takes place. But they did something really awesome (perhaps creating the Elements?) and became Alicorns.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Callisto

[Toa of Ponies 259]

I think that their Mother was an Alicorn whereas there father was something else probably a unicorn. To back this up I bring in Cadance and Shining Armour. One is an Alicorn and the other is a unicorn, therefore I believe that it is common practice for an alicorn to marry a unicorn

[Dreadmallon 353]

   My head canon is that they're just there, and have always been there.

 

   If Celestia and Luna had (or have) parents, than I cannot picture them as anything other than two alicorns.

[CutenessOverload 52]

well, twilight became an alicorn after 'fullfilling her destiny', so, i think that celestia and luna could be any of earth ponies or unicorns or pegasi. damn they could be different like celestia a unicorn and luna pagasus.

but after they defeated discord they became alicorns,

 

somwhere i read about idea of queen galaxia being ther mother, whoever she might be...

 

anyway i would appreciate if hasbro could clear this up with celestia-luna-history episode

[Bright Honor 2,671]

I would imagine that both of their mother and father would be alicorns. It would make the most sense. To be the parent of the royal sisters, you'd have to be wicked powerful.

[Anadu Kune 668]

Well if Alicorns are what they seem to be in MMC then I have an idea. Though we cant say with certainty until their back-story is fleshed out. They may have been Pegasus, Earth ponies, or unicorns before their ascension. Unicorns seems the most likely candidate as it has been established unicorns used to collectively bring day and night. Even with that established its pretty hard to say for certain as pony genetics are pretty weird. Though considering it is suggested they existed at the time of Star Swirl the Bearded Id say their parents were also most likely both unicorns due to the conflict between the races.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Anadu Kune

[Fhaolan 4,483]

My personal headcannon is that the difference between Celesta/Luna and Cadence/Twilight is that Cadence and Twilight transformed into alicorns while Celestia and Luna were born alicorns.

 

Specifically because they were born *of* an alicorn. One that was mentioned in the show. The unnamed alicorn princess that was subjected to the love poison. 'A dragon came, a Kingdom fell, and Chaos reigned' may be a reference to the reign of Discord. The children of the alicorn princess, born alicorns themselves, assembled the Elements of Harmony, defeated Discord and took over the reign of Equestria.

 

Which means that any child of Cadence and Shining Armor might be born as alicorns as well, and potentially be as powerful as Celestia or Luna.

[SCS 7,537]

I do not believe that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna necessarily had to have parents. Since the show has not given any solid indication of whether or not they did yet, what follows is pure speculation. 
 
 

Speculation 01 - A Physical Lineage 

The sole indication that I have seen in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna do indeed have parents in the traditional, physical understanding of the term, is a quote spoken by Celestia in The Return of Harmony (Part 1):
 

"Discord is the mischievious [sic] spirit of disharmony. Before my sister and I stood up to him, he ruled Equestria in an eternal state of unrest and unhappiness. Luna and I saw how miserable life was for Earth ponies, Pegasi, and unicorns alike, so after discovering the Elements of Harmony, we combined our powers and rose up against him, turning him to stone."

 
This is not a solid indication that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna either do or do not have parents. However, to me, it implies that they started out as regular ponies, and were birthed in a physical manner. The key aspect of this quote that causes me this is how there was a period of time before Celestia and Luna stood up to Discord. This, to me, suggests a period of normality before they were charged with the duty as guardians, teachers, and leaders for Equestria. This period of normality could be filled by more than one possibility. One possibility could be that Celestia and Luna simply needed time to plan how to defeat Discord. Another possibility could be that they were not the rulers of Equestria before this point, and that they ascended to Princess in the same manner Twilight Sparkle did to enable them to defeat Discord, to commence the actualization of their destiny. 
 
If this is indeed the case, then Celestia and Luna could have started out as being earth ponies, pegasi, or unicorns. They could have been born as any other pony would have been.
 
An important aphorism to consider is the following: being an alicorn does not make you a positive being, and you do not have to be an alicorn to be royalty.

• It is made apparent in A Canterlot Wedding (Part 2) that being an alicorn does not make you a positive being such as Princess Celestia and Princess Luna. And, as evidenced throughout the show, more directly in A Canterlot Wedding (Part 2) and The Crystal Empire (Part 2), unless you are a positive being who chooses love and light through your own free will, then no power you have is true power. 
• It is made apparent in The Best Night Ever, in A Canterlot Wedding (Part 1), and any other episode involving Prince Shining Armor that you do not have to be an alicorn to be royalty. 

In light of this aphorism, the significance of being an alicorn is called into question. Factoring in Magical Mystery Cure, my current opinion is that alicorns are, inherently, the same as everybody else, except for one aspect: they each are manifestations of a fundamental aspect of reality, physical or otherwise. Celestia: day, Luna: night, Cadence: love, Twilight: true magic, Chrysalis: hatred. I say that Twilight represents true magic in the sense that it is evidenced throughout the show that only magic originating from love has true power. King Sombra, despite what seems to be his immense power, is easily destroyed by the crystal ponies uniting in a group meditation of love and light, channeling their love energy into the Crystal Heart. Since Twilight only became an alicorn after she learned that friendship, or to generalize, love, was a fundamental unit of true magic, this is why she would be a manifestation of true magic as opposed to magic in general. Also, what Celestia and Luna seem to represent is far deeper than day and night, which I will discuss later on in this post.
 
The entirety of this aphorism and its accompanying expansion shows that something of significance happened in the lives of Princess Celestia and Princess Luna other than being or becoming alicorns that influenced who they became. If they did indeed start out as every other pony, then perhaps their parents instilled virtues in them that set them on the paths to their destiny. Or, perhaps they encountered someone or something at some point in their lives that set them on the paths to their destiny. To generalize, there must have been one or more internal and/or external influences that placed Princess Celestia and Princess Luna on the path to who they are now, in addition to being or becoming alicorns. This axiom would hold true regardless of whether or not they were born from parents in a physical sense.
 
 

Speculation 02 - An Elemental Apotheosis

I have personally seen more implication in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna exist through alternate means than otherwise.
 
The first indicator is how they are either immortal, or they have incredibly long lifespans. In every tale of an ancient darkness being overthrown over a millennium ago, they play a role. Whether or not they are immortal, it is clear that they live far longer than regular ponies do, including alicorns. 
 
The fact that alicorns do not necessarily live as long as Luna and Celestia do is evidenced in A Canterlot Wedding (Part 1), during Twilight Sparkle's flashback involving an adolescent Princess Cadence. Assuming that Twilight Sparkle is either an adult or an older adolescent at this point in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, the fact that Princess Cadence was an adolescent when she was a young pony is evidence that Cadence does not live as long as Celestia and Luna do.
 
The second indicator would be that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna seem to be the fundamental unit of the fundamental units. As I discussed earlier in this post, every alicorn who has appeared so far in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic seems to represent a fundamental unit of reality. However, what Celestia and Luna represent is far deeper than the physical aspects of reality they seem to represent on the surface: day and night. They represent yin and yang, balance, harmony. One example from the show evidencing this would be the following image:  
 

 
This is a screenshot from Hearth's Warming Eve. It depicts the flag raised by the three tribes after they had joined together into one united society that they named Equestria. The flag features Princess Celestia and Princess Luna drawn in a manner strongly reminiscent of the yin-yang symbol: 
 

 
Therefore, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna represent the balance, the harmony, forming the foundation for all other aspects of reality. Without balance, there would be no platform for love, magic, or any other aspect of reality, physical or otherwise, to stand upon. Yet, without love, there would be no balance or harmony. It is a beautiful paradox. 
 
Following from the fact that Celestia and Luna seem to represent the fundamental unit of the fundamental units, that, to me, implies that they were not born in a physical sense. One possibility is that they arose from the elements: an elemental apotheosis. 
 
It is possible that Celestia and Luna were born out of the fundamental energy of balance that permeates all in existence. Energy filled with love and light, that, in the joy of its own existence, leaped into physical reality, manifesting itself as Princess Celestia and Princess Luna. They would not be gods, but guardians, teachers, leaders, and friends. Their physical form would never die until they chose, so that they would only transition onward to a different state of reality when they chose to do so. They would guide future leaders of Equestria, or areas contained within it such as the Crystal Empire, throughout numerous generations.
 
 

Conclusion

Whether or not Princess Celestia and Princess Luna entered into physical forms in Equestria through physical means or otherwise is currently unknown. However, I do believe that they represent the fundamental unit of the fundamental units, which they could do regardless of how they were birthed.
 
Currently, until future information regarding their past is revealed in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I believe that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna do not have parents in a physical, traditional understanding of the term.

[Jadefire 2,797]

There were a couple fanfictions I read that wrote Celestia and Luna's parents were the Gods of Creation, and a few others that they were other (also very powerful) alicorns. I personally prefer the latter idea.

[DarligPegasi 315]

I think someone said this already, but I'm gonna go with them both being Alicorns and ruling in another kingdom. However when Luna and Celestia become of age they sent them to create their own kingdom and rules together.

[Bendy 1,821]

There are many fanon theories one such is that the first Alicorns were created by elder magic from their God Faust, which created the planet Equus followed by Discord, whom had tormented the Ponies some point in the future, and then the Alicorns along with the Elements of Harmony that over threw Discord freeing the Ponies from under hin.

 

 

 

   

Edited May 31, 2013 by Rush

[DND 2,355]

Celestia and Luna stated that Twilight was the first to become an Alicorn this way. And there seems be no other indication in Equestrian history, and even before Equestria that there are any other Alicorns other than the ones we know of.

 

Now, with Cadance, I can't really understand her. In the book, 'Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell' cannonly accepted by Hasbro, she soon became an Alicorn by... what? Well, perhaps it was an object or entity she found that put her to her state. Twilight got her privilege by ascending a high magical proven state. So with Cadance first being a Pegasus in the book, she did not have a Alicorn heir, and gained it another way.

 

I believe Celestia and Luna where just simply the first of their kind by being somewhat of the chosen ones of their era. It seems the really started to gain importance right around when Discord appeared in the scene. It is quite possibly that in which they are 'pure-bloods', per say, or even gained their immortality in which they are much different than Cadance and Twilight. And with this, why would Celestia and Luna have super godly immortal parents as well? It just seems rather ridiculous to me.

Edited May 31, 2013 by IncognitoKiwoy