Why hate Mary Sues?

[Hive King 2,001]

Don't rag on people for them unless they're ignorant and refuse to take advice on how to make them better

 

And do tell me which Mary Sues are likable because they make horrible plot devices. Don't being up Superman, by definition, a Mary Sue is someone with no flaws(or adorable flaws) who never faces any challenges and if they do, resolve them in seconds

Edited April 26, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[DokiLoki 519]

No offense but I really dislike any character thats Mary Sue. Its like they're not even normal because they have no slight imperfections 'bout them.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@DokiLoki,

The authors are also typically complete and utter hacks. Sadly, this is an actual quote

[Lady 55]

Imperfections builds character, Mary Sues have too many perfections so they're boring to play as. Mary Sues don't exist in real life, so they would they in a roleplay? I mean look at Twilight Sparkle, her flaws are easily noticed in the episode called Lesson Zero were she basically goes insane. Those are her flaws at work. Flaws make a character interesting.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Mary Sue characters have no value to a story by their definition so that is why they are terrible.

[Kurai 304]

@,Sadly, It seems like mass majority of people are like this.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Ritan Kurai

[Scootalove 10,692]

If they have a boring personality combined with being perfect in every way with no flaws, it's really a nuisance to deal with.

[Shanks 10,817]

I am neutral on Mary Sue oc's because while not every OC is a Mary Sue Mary Sue oc's is kind of to be expected. Mary Sue oc's unlike cannon oc's do not have the potential to ruin a show. 

[C.C. 66]

 

 

Even a Mary Sue can fill a role in a story

 

I agree because some important ponies are Mary sues. Am I the only one that thinks Twilight is a Mary sue? I mean, she is a princess, her brother is married to a princess, and she is Celestia's star pupil. 

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,825]

It all depends on how the story is crafted. Often, Mary Sues are OCs that are rushed in the making. 

[Ribbonfree 2,384]

I agree because some important ponies are Mary sues. Am I the only one that thinks Twilight is a Mary sue? I mean, she is a princess, her brother is married to a princess, and she is Celestia's star pupil. 

 

Yeah, in some ways she has the writings of a Mary Sue with just how much stuff revolves around her character, her talent, and so on. But she has a good personality that's possible to relate to and her own shortcomings, so despite her character being loaded she works just fine.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

All OCs are slightly Mary Sue. The trick is in how they're developed and used. Having a relationship with a main character tends to be a giveaway.

[Hive King 2,001]

I agree because some important ponies are Mary sues. Am I the only one that thinks Twilight is a Mary sue? I mean, she is a princess, her brother is married to a princess, and she is Celestia's star pupil. 

Yeah...but she gets her ass handed to her power wise, she's outsmarted, and she's got issues with management. If she were a Mary Sue, she would have no flaws

[Castle Bleck 19,446]

SaiyanUltima's OCs are always terrible.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

Am I the only one that thinks Twilight is a Mary sue? I mean, she is a princess, her brother is married to a princess, and she is Celestia's star pupil. 

 

Twilight is almost certainly a Mary Sue, albeit not for those reasons. She's a character created largely by the show's creator. The difference in this case is she was meant from the start to be part of the show rather than a character a fan created who subsequently put in a huge interaction with them or otherwise blew their likely importance in history out of proportion. And, Twilight is not perfect. She was written with plenty of flaws to make her an interesting and entertaining character.

[C.C. 66]

Thanks for clearing it up with me.

[ShadOBabe 19,027]

They can be really awful.

But sometimes it's just a young person that's just wanting to have fun. They don't really care about the intricacies of making complex characters. People that actually care, but then get pissy when people give them negative feedback are insufferable. But for the young kids that are just trying to enjoy themselves? Let them have their fun. By harassing and putting them down, you might actually snub out a new and fragile flicker of creative passion.

[PrymeStriker 408]

Twilight is almost certainly a Mary Sue, albeit not for those reasons.

And, Twilight is not perfect. She was written with plenty of flaws to make her an interesting and entertaining character.

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

[Red Cedar 1,408]

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Yes and no. Twilight us a Mary Sue insofar as a lot of the personality of the creator probably went into her, but she was professional enough not to make her perfect.

[Windseeker 546]

There is seriously nothing wrong with a author in disguise, it helps establish a better connection between the writer and their character as well as the way they perceive things in the story/RP.

 

Now unrealistically rising through the ranks with little effort and god-like powers is another story.

[Zhortac 1,475]

When they're stupidly overpowered, have a power that doesn't fit with the universe they're a part of, and/or forced into canon by having a connection with canon characters, they are absolute crap. Even worse, when you tell the owners those are wrong, and they either flip shit or defend their OC.

 

I've ran into so many over the years, I ended up making quite possibly the most overpowered character ever, just to deal with these things when I was RPing years ago.

[ShadOBabe 19,027]

 

 

Twilight us a Mary Sue insofar as a lot of the personality of the creator probably went into her

 

Being a self insert doesn't automatically make a character a Mary Sue.

Where their personality originated doesn't matter as long as they're a well executed character.

[Zhortac 1,475]

Yes and no. Twilight us a Mary Sue insofar as a lot of the personality of the creator probably went into her, but she was professional enough not to make her perfect.

 

Twilight isn't a mary sue, and she's far from perfect. The fact that everyone in the show likes her is moot, since everyone in the show likes everyone else as well. And if Twilight were perfect, she wouldn't need the other five, to accomplish anything, or help in any regards.

[Literally Snails 2,307]

One of the many problems with Mary Sues is that they don't even exist in real life. No one is perfect, therefore no characters should be perfect.

[ShadOBabe 19,027]

One of the many problems with Mary Sues is that they don't even exist in real life. No one is perfect, therefore no characters should be perfect.

 

"Perfect" however is relative.

I am one of the MANY people who have taken Mary Sue litmus tests using MYSELF as the subject, and come out as a "Mary Sue".

Either I don't exist, or people's standards on what a Sue is can very VERY subjective. I'm voting for the latter.