Trade Ya's Message

[ScarfaceOne 263]

OK. I am confused about the Message of Trade Ya. Although not as confusing as Pinkie Sense. The problem is is that it is favouring barter trade instead of economy. And so is Minecraft(Which on xbox will be updated in 4 updates).  The thing is. Barter is communism. Because Communists have no money. I do not like the message. I am proud we have money. Like Eric Idle ''There is nothing quite as wonderful as money!!!''. And it is better to go to Antique cellars then swap meets. What do you think?

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

It never said a thing about the barter system being in any way better than money. In fact, Rainbow Dash nearly trading Fluttershy into "slavery" had much more weight than if she had been gouged for a few bits more.

 

This was only an annual event, not a daily occurrence. Ponies use bits in almost every other instance of financial transaction in the show.

Edited April 26, 2014 by ~Happy Gilda (WCP)

[ScarfaceOne 263]

It never said a thing about the barter system being in any way better than money. In fact, Rainbow Dash nearly trading Fluttershy into "slavery" had much more weight than if she had been gouged for a few bits more.

 

This was only an annual event, not a daily occurrence. Ponies use bits in almost every other instance of financial transaction in the show.

 

 

Yes but as i said. Minecraft is focusing on it. It is having a pc update that the X360 version is 4 updates away. And i do not get the point. Why should people trade their own valuable possessions to get new possessions? Couldn't they just go to the antique cellar and buy them? And Barter is communism isn't it?

[ShadOBabe 19,028]

 

 

Why should people trade their own valuable possessions to get new possessions?

 

Because their "valuable possessions" no longer have value to them.

They want something new.

 

We've already seen that they have a typical money based economy in Equestria, but this is a trader's exchange.

I just see it as being fun.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

A barter system being "Communism" makes no damn sense. If it was communism you wouldn't have people trading stuff, you'd have a person in charge who decides how all the "stuff" gets distributed.

 

Money is just a way to remove all the intermediate steps involved in a barter system by providing an arbitrary and universal measure of value.

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Because their "valuable possessions" no longer have value to them.

They want something new.

 

We've already seen that they have a typical money based economy in Equestria, but this is a trader's exchange.

I just see it as being fun.

 

 

Erm... I Think you'll see that you can still sell valuable possessions for good money. Because they still are valuable.

Edited April 26, 2014 by ScarfaceOne

[ShadOBabe 19,028]

Erm... I Think you'll see that you can still sell valuable possessions for good money. Because they still are valuable.

 

Well maybe you just want to cut out the middle man and go ahead and get the thing you were going to use the money for anyway?

And maybe you just don't really care? Like Twilight's books. She could have sold them elsewhere I'm sure, but she was going to have to show up at the trader's exchange. So she figured that she'd just get rid of them there. And she was willing to give them away for a broken pen at first. It's like how me and my mom just dump things out on the curb occasionally with a sign that says "For Free". It's always gone by the next day. One pony's trash is a another pony's treasure.

 

Personally I think it's fun. Like how I used to barter and trade my Pokemon cards as a kid. X3

Edited April 26, 2014 by ShadOBabe

[Fluttershutter 2,960]

1 Never combine money with someone else, it only leads to arguements

2 Hoard all your old stuff even if you don't need it anymore

3 Don't sell your friends into slavery

4 Money works much better than trading

Now that I've read the first post, barter is not communism, it's capitalism, just without money. Communism would be Celestia taking all the stuff and passing it out to whichever pony she thought needed it.

[Scootalove 10,692]

Actually, a barter system is not associated with communism. If there was communism in a barter system, the government or whoever is in charge would decide on which items get distributed or in this case, traded. The message here would be, choose wisely on which items you trade that have sentimental value.

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

Yes but as i said. Minecraft is focusing on it. It is having a pc update that the X360 version is 4 updates away. And i do not get the point. Why should people trade their own valuable possessions to get new possessions? Couldn't they just go to the antique cellar and buy them? And Barter is communism isn't it?

Barter isn't Communism... Mostly because the United States have plenty of these Trading events. I have been to one.

 

Minecraft takes place in a medieval-ish setting, so trading is not  just with goods but also with things that have high value, like emeralds, Diamonds, Gold, ECT to get goods

 

If anything it wasn't slavery because its more, "If you want this, She has to help me with this, and once that is done she can come back." instead of "If you want this then she has to be mine FOREVER!"

 

Now for the "Why would you trade", Because:

1. Sometimes you can get something of much value to you, with something that has little value, money has allot of value and some people don't want to use it....

[Digit 321]

I didn't get any of this from the episode lol

 

The message I got was that you should never lose sight of what or who is really important. And that nothing is worth more then your friends. Also learned that the multiverse theory apples to equestria when the bioshock twins showed up.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Digit

[Chivalry Knight 161]

A barter system being "Communism" makes no damn sense. If it was communism you wouldn't have people trading stuff, you'd have a person in charge who decides how all the "stuff" gets distributed.

Money is just a way to remove all the intermediate steps involved in a barter system by providing an arbitrary and universal measure of value.

Um wait... Wouldn't that mean that 'Money' is actually more of a communism than just trading things? XD

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

Um wait... Wouldn't that mean that 'Money' is actually more of a communism than just trading things? XD

Actually Money is just trading... but with something that has a fixed value...

 

Well money has no real value, 

because to an adult a $100 bill has allot of value

but to a 1 year old it has about as much value as a ball of lint...

[Digit 321]

Neather money or bartering is a communistic ideal. Communisum has a beliefs that everything belongs to everyone. There for a barter system is actually opposite to Communisum as it grants a person's possession for another's. If it was communistic than Heather would actually have ownership to ether of them and fair trade kinda gets blown out the window.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Digit

[ScarfaceOne 263]

 

Barter isn't Communism... Mostly because the United States have plenty of these Trading events. I have been to one.

 

Minecraft takes place in a medieval-ish setting, so trading is not  just with goods but also with things that have high value, like emeralds, Diamonds, Gold, ECT to get goods

 

If anything it wasn't slavery because its more, "If you want this, She has to help me with this, and once that is done she can come back." instead of "If you want this then she has to be mine FOREVER!"

 

Now for the "Why would you trade", Because:

1. Sometimes you can get something of much value to you, with something that has little value, money has allot of value and some people don't want to use it....

 

 

 

But people can build skyscrapers in minecraft and steve wears modern clothing!!!

Neather money or bartering is a communistic ideal. Communisum has a beliefs that everything belongs to everyone. There for a barter system is actually opposite to Communisum as it grants a person's possession for another's. If it was communistic than Heather would actually have ownership to ether of them and fair trade kinda gets blown out the window.

 

 

How does communism work then? How do people get their items?

[Digit 321]

But people can build skyscrapers in minecraft and steve wears modern clothing!!!

 

 

How does communism work then? How do people get their items?

Generally the original idea formed by Carl Marx would make it kinda like a share the wealth kinda thing. When someone makes something it is shared amongst than people who could benefit from it. The government would hold no power over people and wealth would be distributed equally among the masses. This would get rid of poor and rich and put everyone on equal grounds. In theory it makes sense but Communisum today is not what Marx had in mind.

 

Today Communisum is more the government holds the power and distributes it how they see fit.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Digit

[Nameless Knight 1,001]

But people can build skyscrapers in minecraft and steve wears modern clothing!!!

That is why I said medieval-ISH 

and Steave has magic clothes because he can carry 12 metric tons of gold in their pocket!

[SilverStarApple 850]

OK. I am confused about the Message of Trade Ya. Although not as confusing as Pinkie Sense. The problem is is that it is favouring barter trade instead of economy. And so is Minecraft(Which on xbox will be updated in 4 updates).  The thing is. Barter is communism. Because Communists have no money. I do not like the message. I am proud we have money. Like Eric Idle ''There is nothing quite as wonderful as money!!!''. And it is better to go to Antique cellars then swap meets. What do you think?

Barter is not automatically Communism. Besides, I prefer bartering. You can make better deals, get more for your items, that sort of thing.

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Generally the original idea formed by Carl Marx would make it kinda like a share the wealth kinda thing. When someone makes something it is shared amongst than people who could benefit from it. The government would hold no power over people and wealth would be distributed equally among the masses. This would get rid of poor and rich and put everyone on equal grounds. In theory it makes sense but Communisum today is not what Marx had in mind.

 

Today Communisum is more the government holds the power and distributes it how they see fit.

 

 

Ah so everyone works the same. Or do they deliver items?

Edited April 26, 2014 by ScarfaceOne

[Digit 321]

Ah so everyone works the same. Or do they deliver items?

Well remember Communisum didn't actually appear until after currency was established. Most bartering systems went really being used anymore. Items were still gained threw the the same methods but you had ownership to them. Generally if an item was deemed an item for the people the government would mass produce it and distribute it. Also take into account there so far has never been a truly successful communistic government. The Marx Communisum has always been bastard-ized into something that works more for one man rather than the people. It has crestfallen more in line with a dictatoship. China is what you would call a "commuist" country but it falls more closely to a socialistic democracy.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Digit

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Barter is not automatically Communism. Besides, I prefer bartering. You can make better deals, get more for your items, that sort of thing.

 

Also, Money was invented as an incentive to work. With barter people would just lounge around.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Also, Money was invented as an incentive to work. With barter people would just lounge around.

Uhm, no. In a barter system you still need to work because otherwise you won't have anything to trade.

Okay, let's take this episode as an example.

 

If they were using money instead of barter, then this is how the Fluttershy/Rainbow Dash thing would go:

 

Rainbow Dash would have sold her horseshoe to the pony with the crystal chalices for money. Then she would have gone to the pony with the books and used her money to buy the book directly.

 

That pony would then have used her money to buy an Orthros.

 

The pony who sold the Orthros would then have used the money he just got to buy a lamp.

 

The pony who sold the lamp would then use his money to get an antique chicken.

 

The pony who sold the chicken would then use his money to buy the crystal chalice from the same pony that Rainbow Dash sold the horseshoe to.

 

The end result: everyone would have ended up with the same items they wanted at the end. The only difference is now instead of wandering around all afternoon, Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's adventure would be only a two step process.

 

So basically, a barter system is the same damn thing as a money system and produces the same results. The only difference is the money based system does the same thing more efficiently because it removed all the dumb intermediate steps.

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Yes but you can pretty much sell anything. Not 

 

Uhm, no. In a barter system you still need to work because otherwise you won't have anything to trade.
Okay, let's take this episode as an example.

If they were using money instead of barter, then this is how the Fluttershy/Rainbow Dash thing would go:

Rainbow Dash would have sold her horseshoe to the pony with the crystal chalices for money. Then she would have gone to the pony with the books and used her money to buy the book directly.

That pony would then have used her money to buy an Orthros.

The pony who sold the Orthros would then have used the money he just got to buy a lamp.

The pony who sold the lamp would then use his money to get an antique chicken.

The pony who sold the chicken would then use his money to buy the crystal chalice from the same pony that Rainbow Dash sold the horseshoe to.

The end result: everyone would have ended up with the same items they wanted at the end. The only difference is now instead of wandering around all afternoon, Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's adventure would be only a two step process.

So basically, a barter system is the same damn thing as a money system and produces the same results. The only difference is the money based system does the same thing more efficiently because it removed all the dumb intermediate steps.

 

 

Yes but the other difference is you can sell anything. Not one item. She could have sold anything to the chalice person. And exactly right. Money is better than barter.

[SilverHeart 741]

Also, Money was invented as an incentive to work. With barter people would just lounge around.

Humanity has never once been able to afford to just lounge around. In fact I'm fairly certain that Modern Capitalism has allowed people to be lazier than ever before.

 

Anyway, no bartering wouldn't allow anyone to just lay around without an incentive to work. It's the same thing as capitalism. If you do t have anything to trade, whether it be a standard currency or something else, such as the belt buckles you made or the leather, milk, and meat of the cows you have raised than you don't get to eat.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Yes but you can pretty much sell anything. Not

 

 

 

Yes but the other difference is you can sell anything. Not one item. She could have sold anything to the chalice person. And exactly right. Money is better than barter.

And right now I can go to a pawn shop and sell anything I have. Thing is, I'm going to quickly run out of anything of value to pawn.

 

Same thing happens with a barter system. The stuff you have for trade has to have come from somewhere, and that somewhere is you working.