spoiler Rumored episode 10 synopsis.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

I am sorry. The opportunity was just too golden for this to be ignored.

[Jeric 46,882]

58 minutes ago, ggg-2 said:

And this show's previously strong continuity has officially gone to crap. Celestia doesn't appreciate her little sister? Complete utter bucking bull.

You know, for a fandom that flipped out for over a year about Mary Sue characters ruining the show, they seem hell bent on demanding that the show staff gradually walk the characters in that direction anyway. 

It's called taking something that someone does for granted, and I don't care how much character growth someone has, how morally upright someone is, how consistent that person follows their moral compass ... it's a nuance that creeps into everyone. 

You know what I see in the word "appreciate"? Quite a bit. That breadth of that word's meaning is exquisite. Celestia may not have awareness of the complexity of dispensing wisdom in a dreamscape, and Luna may not understand the challenges involved in the day to day administration of a country. If that is the case, it does not mean they are not appreciated by each other in a broader sense. 

If they take that route, it becomes a phenomenal moral and could be a decent platform for a character discussion. 

And am I the only one who is shouting 'yes' at finally having a Luna episode where she doesn't lament her past, but displays confidence in her own part she plays? That doesn't sound like a step back -- it's a monumental leap forward for the character!!!

 

[Thrond 3,271]

1 hour ago, ggg-2 said:

previously strong continuity

 

Think you might be overstating that a little. 

Anyway I agree with Jeric above. "Appreciate" could mean any number of things, and while I'm not entirely fond of Starlight needing to make them appreciate each other, I think that gulf in appreciation might just be the product of a recent falling out or something. 

[CastletonSnob 3,089]

This is my reaction to it being real:

I can't WAIT for this episode.

Edited May 2, 2017 by VG_Addict

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

6 minutes ago, VG_Addict said:

This is my reaction to it being real:

I can't WAIT for this episode.

Not to go off-topic here, but have a cookie for a king of fighters reference.

[The Nth Doctor 664]

Can't wait for yet another Karma Houdini ending with Starlight getting rewarded for her mistakes.

My popcorn is ready and eagerly awaiting the salt.

 

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

3 minutes ago, The Nth Doctor said:

Can't wait for yet another Karma Houdini ending with Starlight getting rewarded for her mistakes.

My popcorn is ready and eagerly awaiting the salt.

 

Are you talking about your own salt?

[The Nth Doctor 664]

37 minutes ago, Mesme Rize said:

Are you talking about your own salt?

Mine's far too sweet, unfortunately. I need something a little more bitter.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

I always understood the notion that all FIM characters bow down to lessons and episode structure, but this is new. Not even NOAA drone can go this deep. What is this, the third or fourth take on Sisters' relationship? And I'm guessing they will be the enabling idiots for our new best pony. I can already smell all that sweet, sweet character progression.

 

Hey Tyrone! Close the red mana dam and prep two green! We're gonna channel a yuuge one

[chaosprincess 1,067]

I must say I am getting tired of seeing Starlight Glimmer episodes season 7 has been mostly about her and I would like the episodes to be about other ponies not just her failed mistakes on friendship repeating again and again and again I would prefer if Trixie went and fixed their problem instead I mean she is learning as well why not send her instead and as for Starlight I'd much prefer if she went back to being Melody in which I'm sure a lot of you know if you know the older gens the voice for Starlight played Melody in mlp tales will insert picture of Melody because I can inserting now.

[Sonic5421 429]

So we finally get an episode dedicated to Celestia and Luna following Celestia's development in Celestial Advice, and we might get a little dose of them seeing how it feels to be doing the other sister's job and other duties thanks to Starlight. Sounds like a good episode to me.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

Well, with the synopsis being true, I will say I am not fond it. Does Starlight REALLY need to be in this damn episode? I really don't see the point. I feel they should have just gone with Celestia and Luna and basically no-one else, at least no one else being drastically essential to the plot. From what it sounds like, we get to see more of Starlight's OP magic which is always...irritating. 

My hype has gone to 'meh' levels for this.

[Truffles 2,033]

Ah well scratch my explanation earlier where I thought the sisters could be asking her to do this for them. Since the official description says she does it "impulsively" that means she does it without asking for permission. I'm not going to dislike it just for that but it's already causing major problems for the episode with many fans. I guess I'll just sit and wait and see for now.

[Princess Book Horse 353]

On May 1, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Nightmare Muffin said:

*groooooooaaan* oh for bucking's sake. Can we just admit that Starlight won't learn? Supposedly reformed, she forces Big Mac to talk, with magic. One no-no. She mind controls and uses all of her "friends" with magic, and doesn't see the wrong that she did, without being TOLD she's in the wrong. HUGE no-no. And now this bullspit, switching the Princess' cutie marks, after learning that using magic to solve problems is WRONG (and after the s6 finale, where she had to solve a problem without reliance on magic)? where the bloody buck does it stop?

Twilight needs to up and straight up tell Starlight Gutter that this shit needs to stop, like she told Flurry. And it DOES need to stop. Either Starlight stops doing this crap, or she gtfo of everypony's life. This magic abuse aint' flying

Looks like Jeric called it. Also, AGAIN with the stupid nicknames. Your haven't even done a good job at making a debate worthy post, you're just being salty. If you're too blind to see Starlight's character growth, then that's your problem.

On May 1, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Jeric said:

Right? If the episode is good overall, I shall relish in their disatisfaction. 

Also, I wonder if SStB's unfinished spell will be dusted off again.

I feel like this will be another "Every Little Thing She Does." A fantastic episode that people relentlessly crap all over JUST because it's about Starlight.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Princess Book Horse

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

3 hours ago, chaosprincess said:

season 7 has been mostly about her

 

How is 1 episode out of 5 about her? Only one of them has been about her, while she has been a supporting character in two others. That is a far cry from the season being about her.

[chaosprincess 1,067]

4 minutes ago, GrimGrimoire said:

 

How is 1 episode out of 5 about her? Only one of them has been about her, while she has been a supporting character in two others. That is a far cry from the season being about her.

She has been in more then 1 episode as the main focus since season 7 started not many episodes have aired, but shes been in most of them, but I'm not going to have an argument over a purple pony I am just merely saying I would like to see more characters instead of Starlight Glimmer.

Edited May 2, 2017 by chaosprincess

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

1 minute ago, chaosprincess said:

but I'm not going to have an argument over a purple pony

Then don't make things up in an attempt to make a point.

The fact is, she has been the focus of one episode, and only been a supporting character in two others and a background character in one other. You don't like her, that is fine, But you don't need to invent things to dislike her. She was in an episode and you hated it because of it, that is entirely up to you.

EP1 - About Twilight (supporting characters: Celestia, Discord, Starlight, Trixie, Spike)

EP2 - About Starlight & Trixie (supporting characters Spike and the Mane 6)

EP3 - Twilight and Flurryheart (Supporting characters: Spike, Cadance & Shining Armor)

EP4 - Pinkie & Maud (Supporting character Starlight)

EP5 - Fluttershy (no more spoilers for those who have yet to see it)

She was not the focus of the other episodes, you just decided to focus on her and only her.  That is not the episodes fault, it is yours for focusing on her.

[chaosprincess 1,067]

58 minutes ago, GrimGrimoire said:

Then don't make things up in an attempt to make a point.

The fact is, she has been the focus of one episode, and only been a supporting character in two others and a background character in one other. You don't like her, that is fine, But you don't need to invent things to dislike her. She was in an episode and you hated it because of it, that is entirely up to you.

EP1 - About Twilight (supporting characters: Celestia, Discord, Starlight, Trixie, Spike)

EP2 - About Starlight & Trixie (supporting characters Spike and the Mane 6)

EP3 - Twilight and Flurryheart (Supporting characters: Spike, Cadance & Shining Armor)

EP4 - Pinkie & Maud (Supporting character Starlight)

EP5 - Fluttershy (no more spoilers for those who have yet to see it)

She was not the focus of the other episodes, you just decided to focus on her and only her.  That is not the episodes fault, it is yours for focusing on her.

I am not going to argue over my opinion I'm not the only person who thinks that and my opinion was not to start an argument its just that an opinion I don't hate all the episodes some of them were funny, but I would just like to see other characters.

Edited May 3, 2017 by chaosprincess

[ManaMinori 4,149]

3 hours ago, Princess Book Horse said:

Looks like Jeric called it. Also, AGAIN with the stupid nicknames. Your haven't even done a good job at making a debate worthy post, you're just being salty. If you're too blind to see Starlight's character growth, then that's your problem.

I feel like this will be another "Every Little Thing She Does." A fantastic episode that people relentlessly crap all over JUST because it's about Starlight.

WHAT progression?! All I see is the same pony misusing her magic, after she SUPPOSEDLY learned that magic isn't a be all end all to her problems! Yet, lo and behold, she's back to the same bull we saw her doing in The Cutie Map- fucking with cutie marks. I don't care if its an impulse decision on her part- she learned not to abuse magic, and she's doing it again. Bottom line. Did she NOT get it through her head, in The Cutie Map, or the Cutie Re-Mark, or Every Little Things she does? Apparently NOT.

That's NOT growth. If YOU can't see that, that's YOUR problem

[Thrond 3,271]

3 hours ago, Princess Book Horse said:

I feel like this will be another "Every Little Thing She Does." A fantastic episode that people relentlessly crap all over JUST because it's about Starlight.

 

See, I felt that "Every Little Thing She Does" had some specific issues which make it much harder to enjoy, but if this episode doesn't work out, it'll just feel redundant, and it'll just make me wonder more how Twilight or anyone else actually trusts Starlight. But again, I think that the right moral and the right jokes are all this particular episode will need to be good, and a synopsis doesn't give those away. 

 

1 hour ago, GrimGrimoire said:

EP4 - Pinkie & Maud (Supporting character Starlight)

 

She had a pretty large role in this episode, which I found rather surprising and wondered if her spot could have been taken by someone else. It's possible that her appearance was so jarring because she feels so separate from the rest of the main cast. Even then, however, it's not like Pinkie wasn't still prominent in that episode. 

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

25 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

WHAT progression?! All I see is the same pony misusing her magic, after she SUPPOSEDLY learned that magic isn't a be all end all to her problems! Yet, lo and behold, she's back to the same bull we saw her doing in The Cutie Map- fucking with cutie marks. I don't care if its an impulse decision on her part- she learned not to abuse magic, and she's doing it again. Bottom line. Did she NOT get it through her head, in The Cutie Map, or the Cutie Re-Mark, or Every Little Things she does? Apparently NOT.

That's NOT growth. If YOU can't see that, that's YOUR problem

Basically, you just don't feel like giving her a chance. Got it.

 

BTW, only a 10 year old would use a name like "Starlight Gutter."

[LugiaFan249 46]

Switching the cutie marks around reminds me of the Thomas episode "The Diseasel".

[Princess Book Horse 353]

38 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

WHAT progression?! All I see is the same pony misusing her magic, after she SUPPOSEDLY learned that magic isn't a be all end all to her problems! Yet, lo and behold, she's back to the same bull we saw her doing in The Cutie Map- fucking with cutie marks. I don't care if its an impulse decision on her part- she learned not to abuse magic, and she's doing it again. Bottom line. Did she NOT get it through her head, in The Cutie Map, or the Cutie Re-Mark, or Every Little Things she does? Apparently NOT.

That's NOT growth. If YOU can't see that, that's YOUR problem

How can you say that when you haven't even SEEN the episode yet? Also, Every Little Thing She Does is the only episode where she ACTUALLY learned that lesson. In S5, she learned not hate cutie marks and individuality and try again to make new friends. She went from enslaving a village to saving equestria from changelings WITHOUT magic. If that isn't growth, than I don't know what is. If you want to continue to be salty and immature by relentlessly shitting on a character and failing to see the good they have done, be my guest.

 

P.S. Before you ask, calling her "Starlight Gutter" every 2 seconds and hating episodes like "All Bottled Up" JUST because it stars her is why I called you immature.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

8 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

She had a pretty large role in this episode, which I found rather surprising and wondered if her spot could have been taken by someone else. It's possible that her appearance was so jarring because she feels so separate from the rest of the main cast. Even then, however, it's not like Pinkie wasn't still prominent in that episode. 

She did indeed have a large role in the episode. But it is was still as the supporting cast, the very fact someone can imagine another character in her place kind of shows that. If she were the main character of it, you could not remove or swap her without removing the episode entirely. If you swapped out Maud or Pinkie, the episode would have either needed a whole new rewrite to make it work, or just ceased to be. You could have swapped out Starlight for another character and gotten similar results probably, although whether it would have been as good or not is debatable, but that is neither here or there.

Also, that is the point of her appearances (arguably), to make her feel like a member of the main cast. Some of the biggest complaints about her previously (more or less, and whether justified or not) was that

A. She only hung around Twilight, or seemed to be friends with only Twilight. (The Crystalling, A Hearths Warming Tale)

B. She only appeared in a couple of episodes, and when she did, it was only to follow Twilight around. (The Times They Are a Changeling)

C. When she did appear and not follow Twilight around, she was not dong anything except misusing magic or having emotional meltdowns. (No Second Prances, Every Little thing She Does, To Where and Back Again)

 

Needless to say, it was pretty agreed upon that if Twilight farted, Starlight could identify what she had for lunch immediately, and if she couldn't it's because she was off casting a spell that turned ponies into toads or something.

This season she appears to be trying to step outside of that shadow, although at the moment it is impossible to say how well she is succeeding considering we are only 4/5 episodes in. So far she has

A. Attended a celebration held in Trixie, Thorax, Discord and her honor.

B. Tried to teach Trixie some more advanced magic, while not having the courage to tell someone she cared about she was being a bitch.

C. Flew a kite and tried to make a new friend. (which was some small growth for both her and Maud)

Not exactly earth shattering anything to be honest, nor particularity in your face as many are trying to claim. But she is getting more exposure other than with JUST Twilight.

People are free to hate her all they like.... but if they hate her for doing EVERYTHING wrong last season, and then literally doing NOTHING wrong so far this season, then honestly she can't win (really the writers) no matter what she does.

This upcoming episode is just that.. upcoming... no one knows how it will play out or what will happen. She could be asked to perform a spell and things go wrong, or she could be trying something totally different spell wise and someone else messes it all up. It is a synopsis, written by an outside source to my knowledge... meant to catch your attention, not tell you what happens. It is all assumptions and wild guesses at this point which could be utterly correct, or way off point. We'll see what happens when it airs, then everyone can pull out the shackles and chains.

It is a good thing "fans" of MLP are not jurors. They would execute the defendants before they even reach the courtroom.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

my response?
>Run puke.exe program

Seriously? We FINALLY get a two sisters episode, and its about Starlight? And about her, almost on a WHIM, magically soul altering two of the most powerful beings in the show?
I mean, come on, when twilight did this she had a magical artifact behind her being the cause, this is just starlight being like "Oh yeah, I can do this crap because I'm me!"

Bollox. My hype for this episode went into the toilet, and then got flushed into the septic tank.