Trixie Was just playing a gimmick, why did the mane six call her out for it?

[Mywas 687]

From what I saw in the Episode Boast Busters, Trixie was doing what any Performer would do to get attention, play an intrestng gimmick, But Rarity and AJ called her out for it because she was being too "cocky", And When she Said that shes the most talented Unicorn Spike tried to stop her if it wasn't for Twilight. Twilight was the only Pony who wasn't a jerk torward Trixie. And it wasn't even Trixie's fault that The Ursa Minor came to Ponyvill, but she got all the blame when she had notihng to do with it. well perhabs if The Mane Six din't break Kayfabe Trixie wouldn't have enslaved Ponyvill later on. I watch Pro Wrestling but I would never hate a person for the Gimmick he plays no matter how much I hate it. I swear Sometime Equestria takes it to the extreme when it comes to "Everypony has to be nice, those who aren't must go to tartarus."

[~StatesTheOblivious~ 1,795]

That's exactly why I think that "Boast Busters" is one of the worst episodes. She didn't do anything really wrong. It may not have been the best way to perform, but the way everyone reacted afterwards was unjustified. Every other character's reaction after they defeated the Ursan Minor was just mean. She wasn't the one who threatened anypony and they all ran out of common sense there. Several YouTubers already made analyzations about that and most of them come to the conclusion that Trixie is not to blame and the morals in this episode are just "distorted".

[Xievie 498]

Now that you mention it, that's right. Never thought long enough about this. I won't force myself to find a counterargument, but I'm interested in what others have to say about this.

[Anadu Kune 668]

I would agree if not for the way Trixie herself behaved during this episode. Whilst it was the ponies who instigated the situation Trixie did not behave in a proper manner. The proper thing to do would have been politely tell them to enjoy the show or leave or explain that she was a talented show pony performing a show for the entertainment of others. Instead of that Trixie allows a series of challenges in which rather than demonstrate she can perform any of those feats she magically assaults the ponies in some manner. She also proclaims that she is destined to be the greatest equine to ever live. To say that this is a statement of hubris is an huge understatement considering they live in a world with Princess Celestia and Luna. Really it seems Trixie has a kind of superiority complex. She loves to feel better than others and it seems to go beyond a simple stage gimmick. She seems perfectly content to have Snips and Snails as her personal lackeys if a bit annoyed by them. Also boasting about defeating a giant magical bear seems really unnecessary. Whens the last time you saw a stage magician claiming to have strangled a bear with his own two hands. Even in the end when faced with the cold hard truth rather than face it she still claims superiority and runs off.  

Then there's her actions after this episode. Confronting Twilight would be a normal reaction. However purchasing an artifact of extreme magic to demonstrate your "superior" magical prowess is not. She needs to some how feel like she is superior or amazing in someway.  Even in the end she states how great the new Trixie is.

In both cases Trixie turned what could have been a simple misunderstanding or discussion into a giant fiasco and further instigated the other ponies. 

[Mywas 687]

I would agree if not for the way Trixie herself behaved during this episode. Whilst it was the ponies who instigated the situation Trixie did not behave in a proper manner. The proper thing to do would have been politely tell them to enjoy the show or leave or explain that she was a talented show pony performing a show for the entertainment of others. Instead of that Trixie allows a series of challenges in which rather than demonstrate she can perform any of those feats she magically assaults the ponies in some manner. She also proclaims that she is destined to be the greatest equine to ever live. To say that this is a statement of hubris is an huge understatement considering they live in a world with Princess Celestia and Luna. Really it seems Trixie has a kind of superiority complex. She loves to feel better than others and it seems to go beyond a simple stage gimmick. She seems perfectly content to have Snips and Snails as her personal lackeys if a bit annoyed by them. Also boasting about defeating a giant magical bear seems really unnecessary. Whens the last time you saw a stage magician claiming to have strangled a bear with his own two hands. Even in the end when faced with the cold hard truth rather than face it she still claims superiority and runs off.  

 

Then there's her actions after this episode. Confronting Twilight would be a normal reaction. However purchasing an artifact of extreme magic to demonstrate your "superior" magical prowess is not. She needs to some how feel like she is superior or amazing in someway.  Even in the end she states how great the new Trixie is.

 

In both cases Trixie turned what could have been a simple misunderstanding or discussion into a giant fiasco and further instigated the other ponies. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKPySrEdK0

Just watch that video. when a performer gets made fun by the crowd he has the right to make fun of the ones who made fun of him. Trixie just did that. heck the show was free for crying out loud, the mane six did not pay anything therefor if they did not like the show they could just leave

[Anadu Kune 668]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKPySrEdK0

Just watch that video. when a performer gets made fun by the crowd he has the right to make fun of the ones who made fun of him. Trixie just did that. heck the show was free for crying out loud, the mane six did not pay anything therefor if they did not like the show they could just leave

I guess that includes assault too, cause that's what she did. I'm pretty she shes in the wrong there no matter what. The undertaker called them out in a showmen type fashion though this is more appropriate for a wrestler as he must be aggressive its part of the act. However what he didnt do is call them up on stage and assault them in some manner. Trixie did do that in her challenges all while not demonstrating the ability to do any of the things she was challenged to. 

[Mywas 687]

I guess that includes assault too, cause that's what she did. I'm pretty she shes in the wrong there no matter what. The undertaker called them out in a showmen type fashion though this is more appropriate for a wrestler as he must be aggressive its part of the act. However what he didnt do is call them up on stage and assault them in some manner. Trixie did do that in her challenges all while not demonstrating the ability to do any of the things she was challenged to. 

So what should she have done? she was putting on a show, all of the crowd except for a couple of mares liked it, then those mares who could just leave and let others enjoy the show, they try to ruin the show, She challanges them and makes them look like fools so that the crowd would laugh at them and enjoy the show. Like if you see a boxer on the streets and call him out for what he did to his opponents on the ring, and then try to look cool by challanging him into a fight. Then you would have no right to complain when he Puts his fist in your face. I liked the episode but I hated the moral, the same with Mare Do Well.

[Anadu Kune 668]

So what should she have done? she was putting on a show, all of the crowd except for a couple of mares liked it, then those mares who could just leave and let others enjoy the show, they try to ruin the show, She challanges them and makes them look like fools so that the crowd would laugh at them and enjoy the show. Like if you see a boxer on the streets and call him out for what he did to his opponents on the ring, and then try to look cool by challanging him into a fight. Then you would have no right to complain when he Puts his fist in your face. I liked the episode but I hated the moral, the same with Mare Do Well.

What should she have done? Oh I dont know... maybe ask them to leave in in a comedic flashy fashion. Or perhaps demonstrate that she was actually amazing without assaulting them. But no she brags about defeating a giant magical bear, claims to be the best pony in the town and perhaps the "best equine who has ever lived", and challenges them. I will quote Trixie "anything you can do I can do better". So does she? No not even close. Applejack demonstrates expert lasso work and coordination. Trixie distracts Applejack with a rope and hog ties her shoving an apple into her mouth. Rainbow Dash demonstrates extreme flying skills with speed, coordination, and creativity. Trixie again assaults her with magic. Rarity demonstrates artistic prowess in fashion design. Trixie ruins it by turn her hair green which again could be considered a type of assault. Trixie said she could perform any task. When the others take her challenge she assaults them. As immature as anyone would like to claim Rainbow Applejack and Rarity were Trixie is twice as such. 

 

This simply could have been a misunderstanding. Most shows these ponies had seen were probably official Ponyville functions. They see an pony from out of town role in and start showing off flashy magic. A pony who is self proclaimed as being Great and Powerful. A pony who isn't charging admission for her "show". It very well may be that Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow had misunderstood what Trixies intention was. Instead of telling them to leave, or stating she was entertaining the masses in a flashy fashion she further instigates the problem. Making claims of extreme feats she had performed, stating that she is superior to everyone, and then challenging everyone. Rarity Applejack and Rainbow Dash thought Trixie was there to boast of her greatness rather than put on a show. You know what? Despite their preemptive claim they were right. Trixie instead of simply demonstrating her proposed greatness or asking them to leave took it upon herself to embarrass the ponies and claim superiority. All for her own satisfaction. After all what else did Trixie get out of it but a feeling of superiority? Not only that but she was content to have servants worshiping her, but even after the whole thing was over she still claims superiority.

 

In the boxer scenario the boxer better wait for the man to throw the first punch. Otherwise he would be quite the immature fool himself. As his friends might say as he is facing charges for seriously injuring the man. "They were words! Nothing more! You cant take a few insults without caving a mans face in!?" In the case of the show Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Applejack believe Trixie is there to simply boast of her greatness. It is Trixie who instigates the challenge and then performs the assault. 

[Betez 1,734]

This seems to be the biggest question Trixie fans ask. And it is true. I guess Twilight thought Trixie poses more if a threat than she actually did. Or maybe Trixie wanted to take over Ponyville or something.

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,695]

Because Trixie was full of it, full of herself and made fools out of them in front of the whole town. Braggarts and con-artists don't do well in Ponyville (also see the Flimflam Brothers). We give the antagonists way too much credit around here. Except for Diamond and Silver, Celestia forbid you say anything good about them. xD

Edited July 24, 2013 by TailsIsNotAlone

[Dark Horn 430]

You missed one crucial bit.

 

Trixie herself, said after bragging a bit, "Anything you can do, I can do better."

 

So then AJ, RD, and Rarity volunteered, and were all shown down by Trixie and laughed at by the audience. That doesn't sound like it was the Mane 6's fault.

[Dashabel 381]

Even if she didn't do much - both lazily and innocently - she still acted rude and queened over them all, didn't she?

But, she learned her lesson at the end. No hate on Trixie, I think she's awesome.

 

On the subject of it being a poor episode, then I would concur that. To be honest, when AJ, Dashie and Rarity tried to she her down, it was hardly anything that she did better, just outwitted them... See, Trixie didn't manoeuvre the lasso better than AJ, did she? She just turned it into a snake!

Edited July 24, 2013 by Dashabel

[Fridge 382]

I think your missing the point. Trixie isn't just a show pony, that's not her profession. She honestly believes she is the most powerful unicorn in Equestria. She boasted, bragged and was generally rude. She was then called out for being a boaster and then was even proven to be a liar when Snips and Snails got the Ursa Minor and she couldn't defeat it.

She was called out because she was boasting bragging and was generally rude, then finally when it came to live up to her claims... She failed. It doesn't matter that she didn't get the Ursa Minor on purpose, it was brought to her because she lied!

In the end everything that happened she brought on herself.

 

Thus why the episode is called Boast Busters. Because boasting is bad.

 

She's a great character, one I'd love to see a little more of since they've progressed her character but in that episode she was totally in the wrong.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Fridge

[pinkiefan1287 610]

When I saw this episode for the first time, I did not see a pony who was trying to put on a show. I saw a pony who was trying to say she was the best and no one could match her. 

 

Why I did not see a performer.

 

1. Trixie did not ask for money or even have a tip jar. So it did not feel like she was trying to make a living. Seeing also she trying to make a living with magic shows in a world of magic. Trixie most not be making a lot of money.

 

2. Maybe if she advertised she was coming to town and ponies know about her maybe the other would see her in a different way.

 

3. It's alright to challenge them, but did she have to humiliate them in that way. She went to fare if you ask me.

 

So Trixie got what was coming to her.

[Evilshy 5,090]

This was a classic example of things getting out of hand. Trixie wasn't really doing anything wrong by bragging about her prowess, that's what she does, after all. Likewise, the Mane 6 weren't doing anything wrong when they tried to prove that Trixie is not, in fact, the best at everything. Remember, they didn't initially want to run her out of town, only prove her wrong. Some ponies were actually believing her stories, and I think it totally justified for the Mane 6 to try to prove her false.

 

Obviously, the real problem arose when Snips and Snails brought the Ursa Minor. We've all seen the episode; Trixie completely failed to do anything about it, while Twilight did not.

Now, I haven't seen the episode recently, so correct me if I'm wrong, but even then, nobody wanted to kick Trixie out of town; she left on her own out of shame and embarrassment. Twilight wasn't trying to prove that she was better, she was just trying to save the town, which was something Trixie said she could do but couldn't.

 

So nobody really did anything wrong.

[Dark Horn 430]

@@Evilshy,

 

I agree with you on everything but the last bit. As we see in Magic Duel, after Trixie is shown down, the townspeople turn against her, mock and shun her, and paint her traveling home with graffiti. No one accepted her except for a rock farm. So, none of the Mane 6 were evil, and neither was Trixie, though the background ponies were complete jerks to Trixie after her failure.

 

@@pinkiefan1287,

 

That is an interesting thought. Trixie did not have a tip jar. Clearly she just felt the need to give a free performance to the ponies of Ponyville.

[Night Shadow 54]

I always felt bad for Trixie.  Okay, so maybe she was showboating a little too much, but is that really a problem?  I mean, if nopony liked the show then just go home.  And honestly, nothing bad would've happened if tweedle-dee and tweedle-dufus hadn't messed with the Ursa Minor.  On that note, Trixie lost her home because of that.  Everything she had was crushed and destroyed, yet nopony seemed to think of that.  

 

I was hoping for a follow up episode where Trixie comes back and Twilight gives her back her stage/home.  The whole thing was just poorly wrote, in my opinion.  I love the writers dearly, this was just a bad call.

[Scootalove 10,689]

The Mane 6 wanted to prove to Trixie that she can't do anything better than they can, Trixie was showboating like any other performer who tries to prove themselves in a very dazzling way so they can make a name for themselves. We could say that the Mane Six saw wat Trixie was doing and they weren't impressed so they decided to show Trixie their skills.

[Dark Horn 430]

@@Night Shadow,

 

I'm assuming that you have seen Magic Duel? If that's not satisfying enough for you, then *SPOILER ALERT* Trixie has been confirmed for Season 4.

[Ihei 713]

Yeah, I feel really bad for Trixie, considering she's my favorite villain. Well, I guess she's reformed now. I don't see why the Mane 6 called her out though, she just wanted to get known, and to do whatever it takes. It's like Rarity in Sweet and Elite; she'd even lie to get a cool factor.

[IronPonyApplejack 318]

@anadu kune

 

NAILED IT. You put the words out there before I could.

 

You could definitely argue that the mane six assumed too much on her initial intentions, but once they decided to take her up on the challenge that SHE issued, she proved them right. Not only did she not actually out-perform them at their respective skills, she instead chose to humiliate them.

 

And before you say that's part of the show biz angle, OP, it may be in this world, but clearly not so in Equestria.

 

(Honestly, I don't think it should be ANYWHERE.)

[pinkiefan1287 610]

 

 

That is an interesting thought. Trixie did not have a tip jar. Clearly she just felt the need to give a free performance to the ponies of Ponyville.

 

O please. Theres no way Trixie would do the show for free. She's trying to preform simple magic tricks in a world where magic is a common thing. Most likely she makes barely any money.

 

 

 

I'm assuming that you have seen Magic Duel? If that's not satisfying enough for you, then *SPOILER ALERT* Trixie has been confirmed for Season 4.

 

I heard that was just a joke one of the writers was playing on us. Still maybe I'm wrong. 

[Scootadress 361]

Because Trixie was full of it, full of herself and made fools out of them in front of the whole town. Braggarts and con-artists don't do well in Ponyville (also see the Flimflam Brothers). We give the antagonists way too much credit around here. Except for Diamond and Silver, Celestia forbid you say anything good about them. xD

But the problem with this statement was that the entertainment and the 'Conartists' weren't actually lying. If it was a lie I would concur, but the brothers CLEARLY had the upperhand with the machine and would have out beat them fair and squarely IF they didn't panic. They DID NOT market a flimsy machine, in fact, it worked well and Granny Smith knew so too. It was later on that they got scared of the numbers they were producing weren't as high as the other team, which wouldn't honestly make a difference in the long run if they just stayed at the same pace and produced the cider the same way, since they did more when they only did one at at time at first. The only reason they lost was:

A)Writers didn't want the brothers to WIN.

B)Their fear.

Trixie was being a brag but she wasn't ALWAYS like this. Near the end, she admitted that she wasn't able to and didn't sound too mean about it. Next, she tried stopping it and wasn't powerful. Note:She didn't use her third person. She was trying to put an all out act. Her actions were wrong, but so were they. (As stated earlier, they weren't assaulted without reason, they did that to themselves) Despite her problem with distorting the truth for her stage and challenging them like that, she wasn't in the wrong. 

 

The Flim Flam Brothers, even though they did unfair deals, they were honest about their machine. 

@anadu kune

 

NAILED IT. You put the words out there before I could.

 

You could definitely argue that the mane six assumed too much on her initial intentions, but once they decided to take her up on the challenge that SHE issued, she proved them right. Not only did she not actually out-perform them at their respective skills, she instead chose to humiliate them.

But what else could you draw the crowd in, they were the ones bringing themselves into a situation that wouldn't be if they didn't assume something. Plus, this is a world full of ponies with magic. That would seem fairly....common? I mean, you challenged her, you wouldn't know what she'll do to drag the crowd in. Plus, they, in a way, they sorta humiliated her on her stage.

[LordDiscord 289]

What should she have done? Oh I dont know... maybe ask them to leave in in a comedic flashy fashion. Or perhaps demonstrate that she was actually amazing without assaulting them. But no she brags about defeating a giant magical bear, claims to be the best pony in the town and perhaps the "best equine who has ever lived", and challenges them. I will quote Trixie "anything you can do I can do better". So does she? No not even close. Applejack demonstrates expert lasso work and coordination. Trixie distracts Applejack with a rope and hog ties her shoving an apple into her mouth. Rainbow Dash demonstrates extreme flying skills with speed, coordination, and creativity. Trixie again assaults her with magic. Rarity demonstrates artistic prowess in fashion design. Trixie ruins it by turn her hair green which again could be considered a type of assault. Trixie said she could perform any task. When the others take her challenge she assaults them. As immature as anyone would like to claim Rainbow Applejack and Rarity were Trixie is twice as such. 

 

This simply could have been a misunderstanding. Most shows these ponies had seen were probably official Ponyville functions. They see an pony from out of town role in and start showing off flashy magic. A pony who is self proclaimed as being Great and Powerful. A pony who isn't charging admission for her "show". It very well may be that Applejack, Rarity, and Rainbow had misunderstood what Trixies intention was. Instead of telling them to leave, or stating she was entertaining the masses in a flashy fashion she further instigates the problem. Making claims of extreme feats she had performed, stating that she is superior to everyone, and then challenging everyone. Rarity Applejack and Rainbow Dash thought Trixie was there to boast of her greatness rather than put on a show. You know what? Despite their preemptive claim they were right. Trixie instead of simply demonstrating her proposed greatness or asking them to leave took it upon herself to embarrass the ponies and claim superiority. All for her own satisfaction. After all what else did Trixie get out of it but a feeling of superiority? Not only that but she was content to have servants worshiping her, but even after the whole thing was over she still claims superiority.

 

In the boxer scenario the boxer better wait for the man to throw the first punch. Otherwise he would be quite the immature fool himself. As his friends might say as he is facing charges for seriously injuring the man. "They were words! Nothing more! You cant take a few insults without caving a mans face in!?" In the case of the show Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Applejack believe Trixie is there to simply boast of her greatness. It is Trixie who instigates the challenge and then performs the assault. 

My belief is that it wasn't a act as much as it was a mask. If you watch the part where she confronts the Ursa Minor, she breaks down and admits she lied. I believe that something happened to her that made her insecure about herself and so she hides behind a fictional persona and become upset or violent toward those that try to dismantle that persona. As for what may have happened is unknown, but her persona gives that impression that something had. Maybe she had a relative or ancestor that was great and powerful that she and others looked up to and she feels her actual persona is not worthy to follow in the footsteps of that relative/ancestor, so she created one that she felt was worthy. 

[Night Shadow 54]

@@Night Shadow,

 

I'm assuming that you have seen Magic Duel? If that's not satisfying enough for you, then *SPOILER ALERT* Trixie has been confirmed for Season 4.

 

Yes, I have.  Didn't really care much for that episode either.  It played off of the basis that Trixie is the 'evil' character.  I just think she's misunderstood.

 

Thanks for the info though ^^ I'm happy to know she'll be making a return. Hopefully she gets the episode she deserves this time around.  We'll see.