Tiina Brown

One: Do any Changeling Figurine exist yet? Two: If not, would you like there to be? Would it be a good idea for Hasbro to make any? To explain the second question: For starters, making changeling figuries would be very much mainly a catering to Bronies, even though it would perhaps eventually break the mold of "only cutesies for girls". So, how interested would bronies be to see Changeling Figurines in Packages and/or blind bags, do you think? I'm sure i'd buy at least one box and/or some blindbags, but that is me. I think one box would be good, and some in blindbags. But, what do You think, and would You like it?

I have said it before, and i'll say it again: I'm in it for the ride, and thus far, the makers of FiM has provided a really good ride, indeed. I do want to point out the difference between "good rush" and "bad rush". Both "Flutter on" and the Finale was rushed but while "Flutter on" was rushed in the way that things felt left out, i didn ot feel like that with the Finale. To me, the Finale was a "good rush", as in nothing was left out, it was just described as it progressed. I'm practically indifferent to the Alicorn thing, the point is wether it was explained well enough or not, and i would say: Yes, it was explained well enough, especially for the original target demographic. Oh, and i liked the songs and that it essentially was a musical.

For your idea, Magic Man: Changeling Excange. Ok, i have a probable one, too .... or several, really. One: The combined power of Shining and Cadence is belived to have thrown away all changelings. But perhaps some changelings was left behind, because "they just followed orders and didn't like the idea with an invasion to begin with". Carefully, they have posed as ponies, or even guards, a little here and there, and some has even considered the idea of individual looks, instead of copying. Succeeding or not, by using clothes if nothing else, and noticing that they can't duplicate the cutiemarks, they have been told that Twilight is the smartest around ... Two: One that was thrown away ... hit its head ... and forgot who/what it was/is, and has been walking around planlessly, and winds up .. in Ponyville.

* Claiming to see things in a wider context might mean nothing, because i can easily claim to see things in an even wider context than that. * Encouraged to put in mythological references? It was already obvious that there were a lot of mythological references, the only difference is that we now know that they were encouraged to add them. * Often, the yin and yang is noted to be at odds with eachothers. Celestia and Luna is NOT, they are instead in harmony with eachothers on a very different plane. To say that they are similar to yin/yang may be correct, but they are not (like) the traditional Yin/yang. One may say that the symbolism is very much toyed with in that case, perhaps that is fully on purpose. You may have brought it up, but i'll say it anyway: That the "Sun and Moon" is two sisters ... i think it is Celtic Myth it could be referring to, since in other myths, the sun often is male. By the way, i assume that imagery is far closer to describing the sisters, than Yin/Yang. There is also one thing that disturbs me, and it may contribute to the annoyance .... You keep saying that you are just describing what you see. .... But, to me, that is not entirely true ... It is mostly obvious when you compare the picture of Celestia rising both Sun and Moon, and comparing it to Freemason imagery. Why? Ok, i may be wrong, do correct me then, but from what you wrote around it, and decribed the two pictures, it sounded like the sun and moon balance MUST be taken from the freemason imagery. I dare say that balance is far older than than the freemasons, and it is also easily re-invented by people that haven't even heard or seen any of this age-old imagery. Besides, i have pointed out the flaw in comparing the mosaic-window on the Mane 6, with the Sephira in the Gnostic Tree of life/Adam. However, you just said they of course couldn't do the actual one .... Well, they had no reason to do so, either, because it would not be interesting in the show. Ok, if they add further characters to that window, then it might get there, but right now ... that comparison is off. At most, it is what i suggested about the yin/yang thing: They are toying with the idea, nothing esle.

I'm another one that doesn't choose, because i think people exaggerate the bad impact of Twilie becoming an alicorn. I also haven't seen how Equestria girls is yet, and i find no reason to judge it beforehand. As i so often say, when it comes to the series, i'm in for the ride, and Twilight becoming an alicorn after a heartpounding-exiting solving of the situation, was just a natural conclusion to me, as was one of her first questions after she got her wings: "Is there a book about being a princess i have to read?" That shows that she still is the same geeky, bordering on dorky, Twilight. I'm still having faith in the authors of the series.

For starters, i'll see the show if possible, to give it benefit of the doubt. But. * I do NOT like their currently assumed designs, it is the same extreme-thin bodies that ranges on either anorectic or a body-shape very few people have naturally. I feel at least Pinkie, if keeping true to her character, should be ... well, rounded. * I do wonder which ones is, or will be, responsible for things like storyline and such, and how much free reign they will get, because what they do, is what will make or break that franchise, rather than it using the characters from FiM, or the odd coloration or the "catering to an older demographic". * And yes, i might share himanuts' concern for the toy quality ... Also: It should be obvious that this is an attempt of Hasbro to compete with Mattel's Barbie- and Monster High Dolls. However, their approach of using a school is both good and bad. Good: It do fit with the Mane 6 - Characters Bad: They may seem like copying that part from Monster High. I think the best approach would be to actually drag the assumed copying in a direction more fitting: Harry Potter .... and or "Xaviers school of gifted youngsters" (as someone in a different thread suggested to explain the character's odd skin colours ... ), or why not mixing both? Or, for the 6, they could even go the "Magical Girl" route, as Lauren intended for the Mane 6 originally. What i do wonder about also, is the rest of the cast ... Will "Celestia" be the headmaster? Will DeLancie show up as a weird guest lecturer? Will CMC show up, and if so, how? And, of course, will Derpy, whatever her name will be, show up, and how will that thing get treated?

I was waiting for you to respond to my post, and while doing that, i saw you burying yourself in symbolisms that is there, isn't quite there, and even isn't there. It is understandable, yet ... problematic. Well, i pointed out the difference between YinYang and the painting of the sisters, and you just say "but it is right in the show". That is ignoring the fact that you were wrong, even partially, about the paining as a symbol .... but noone wants to be forced to admit that they are wrong, even partially. I have no idea how to continue from thereon. I might just leave this thread.

As (thankfully) so many others have already said: No, Discord is not ruined, he just have a reason to not cause wanton destruction as much, now.

It do seem like it was the charity fundraiser to get accepted as an added game in that ... (forgotten its name) massive fighting game tournament .... that ended up as the last straw. I say, Roll with the punch, before the cease and desist, the Mane6 said in a comment about above mentioned fundraiser, that even if they would get forced to C&D, like they now was, they now knew they could do it. Even Fyre-Flye(is that the right spelling?) Lauren Faust herself seems interested in making oc's especially for a revised version of the game, probably knowing that this is the best way, currently. I would not mind lending my OC to a new version (Ninja, weaker than AJ but also more agile, can shoot fireworks against opponent, likes grabs, and use smoke to disappear and attack from below or above. Outside of Fight, likes singing, dancing, having fun ... but also studying magic?) I suggest that the new version has backgrounds and at least a few characters from well-known fan fiction and such, and also a few well-known fan-ocs .... I'd suggest places like .... i keep forgetting the names! ... someplace in Fallout: Equestria, Fluttershy's SHED ... with "Fluttershed" as a hidden character, perhaps? .... and a Ponyhammer environment too, of course I'm certain you can think of more. Keep supporting the remains of the Mane6 now, ok? *cheering* O O I -_- I O___ -_- O O -_-___O

You call the cloppers the "dark side"? Sheesh.... I get your sentiment, you don't understand it, and you may sincerely dislike it as well, but you have clearly misunderstood a few things. .... And calling cloppers "sub-furries" at that? You obviously has misunderstood furries the same way haters has misunderstood both Bronies and Furries ... I understand that sentiment, too, though, if one feels preassured, and just hear rubbish from haters and the people that hang with haters, or lets the haters tell them "what is true" ... then one starts to look for a guilty part that isn't you, but that you may be associated with, that the haters also hate .... I was there once, myself, until i realized that i was just perpetuating the hate from the haters and the trollers. I have said something similar before, and i'll do so here again: The haters and trollers takes ANYTHING they can find, and twists it, so they can hate it more easily. If they cannot attack people who like talking animals, then they attack religions, cultures and political views. Once, they would attack redhaired ones, or darkhaired, or browneyed, or ... perhaps you get the point. No, the cloppers aren't dying out, the haters has just been busy hating other things lately, since they didn't get the the attention from the bronies that they wanted to get. I'm technically no clopper, but i have other fancies that seems just as wierd as clopping, in a way.

Somone has been experimenting on ParaSprites, and the result? ParaGremlins! Instead of eating much, they cause havoc in a different way .... Pinkie Pie would have fun with them ... a while. Somehow, i'm starting to think of the comic "Darkness" .....

I barely managed to get through the first page, which had a lot of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to begin with. Also "i will like the show less if this happens" .... Please, it is not your show or mine to decide its fate. Ok, ok, opinions are fine, but this feels so much .... exaggerated. Bronies here who just went NO ... and such, better has to face a few things: Something is about to happen, and it is possible none of us knows exactly what. It may be that Twilight becomes an Alicorn, either permanent or tempoorary, because her power levels are already far beyond the other in the Mane 6. And yes, OF COURSE it is for Hasbro to sell "Alicorn Twilight" toys! Those who think "it's just for selling the toy", i have to point out a few things: Rarity with butterfly wings Cadence Shining armor ..... Get it? I'l explain further: Yes, from Hasbro point of view, they were very much just to sell toys. However. From the point of view of the crew that Lauren put together, they worked those into the storyline far better than "just to sell toys". The clues has been dropped, but the narrators, those who cares about the story, has done it so, so not even an "alicorn Twilight" will be improbable eventually. Personally i think "Twilight as an alicorn? Why not? If the story surrounding it is good enough, it's ok with me." I'm in it for the ride, not to control the ride ....

* sighs * Yes i will make the same "mistake" as you, but i'll try to be brief, since this is partially off-topic. * You say yourself that there are many truths, and yet you say that God has no effect on Wisdom or Knowledge. Do you see that you are contradicting yourself there? * The truth .... There is a truth, an entirely uncompromizing ultimate truth. However, due to the myriad of point of views on it, including a whole lot of misunderstanding, lies, and fears on examining other point of views (and science and politics suffer from that as well as religions), it do look like "different truths". They aren't different, they are just pieces of the greater jigsaw puzzle that do show the truth. * You should doublecheck the meaning of "disillusioned", i think you used it very wrong. I do think i agree with most of the rest, though ... ____________________________ Right now, though, i'm more eager to bring this back on topic ... Perhaps this way... : It is obvious, that several bronies feel a kind of "awakening" similar to religous ones when they have "met God", an wants to spread the information about Friendship is Magic as if it is a gospel. Well, who knows, God is said to "work in mysterious ways" after all. The OP of this thread, however, seem to think that it is the amassed amount of symbolism and true scientific references that is present in the episodes, that may have given that effect, along with the massive amount of artwork. That is my impression, at least, but i don't think it is that, because the symbolism seems too off too often, to me. What would you think?

Yes, "The tree of Adam" is just another name for that same kabbalistic tree. It refers to, or implies that it holds the "blueprint to life", or something such. Except for that, i don't think that i technically know more than you about it, ... or perhaps i do, but if i find it valid for this topic, i may mention it. It would be interesting to see you try to fit the Mane 6 into the known Sephira, though .... So, we have 6 sephira, one void, .... the void matches what you call "the upper level" .... one matches the "lower level", .... and you mean that the remaining 3 can be deducted mathematically? But? There is one more problem (it was some time since i looked at the actual tree as depicted) you told me i was wrong about it, and yes you were correct, but in the case of the FiM window, the "da'at" is fully visible, ..... but that means that in the kabbalah, Twilight is hidden, and not one of the 10 known Sephira! In that case, you have a full 5 sephira unaccounted for in the FiM window, or 3 if we count the "levels". Sorry, that is essentially the same as "too many "if's" .. " The result of too many if's, is that the probability for unintentional similarity becomes far more probable. It looks good, simply. However, there is the "tree" thing .... But instead of comparing it directly to "our" Kabbalah, one might see it as an attempt to make an "Equestrian Kabbalah". That would explain both the similarities and the differences, as i see it. ...... And so, the yin/yang compared to the sisters pushing the sun and the moon: The heart of light is dark, and the heart of dark is light. However, Celestia(light) pushes the Sun .... no darkness there, while Luna(dark) pushes the moon ... ok, there is some light there, but not always, and not much compared to the sun .... Essentially, the pic on Celestia and Luna pushing the Sun and the Moon looks very similar to the yin/yang symbol, but if one understands the symbolism, the pictures are very different indeed.

Sorry, i just have to say this ...... You don't even see where you are obviously wrong, you just look for similarities, and you have found a lot, but far from all those likenesses is correct. Like the Gnostic "tree of adam" .... Ok, nice, the six elements fit perfectly the six first Sephira, ..... but where are the other four Sephira? You say one is empty on purpose, it has to be found, thereby referring to the element of magic. But. This means you have counted the element of magic twice. And. Even so, there is still three Sephira left that isn't there. And the reproduced spacetime diagram? Well, it is nice to know that the artists took their time to recreate it from the wike even though they didn't have to ... Not to mention the typical cases of "this would look good, let's do it like this" that might just happen to be similar to chacras and the dna-spirals and whatnot, you have found things that isnt there. What you have found and is there, though, is interesting, at least to those who hadn't really noticed it before. ... see if you can find how the sisters raising moon and sun is different from the Yin/Yang-symbol as a training ... or perhaps someone already has told you.

The bolded part there. As an experiment, one should see if one can avoid: * References to Elder Scrolls (i think "Arrow to the knee" is included there, but do correct me if i'm wrong). * References to Portal (especially the ever-elusive cake). * References to Star Wars. * References to Star Trek (including "Red shirt".). * References to Full Metal Alchemist. * References to ...... that combined webcomic and -game that i somehow has forgotten the name on right now ... ... and so on. Then, compare those to the actual pony-references you have seen in the same time.

After reading the first page, i think i'll make some points while stating my selection: * Twilight cannot be an actual Atheist, she is the prize student of a potential or actual divinity. However, she has had a hard time admitting that things that doesn't fit her worldview may still exist. I think she started as a follower of scientific principles, but may have become a bit of a Gnostic or Agnostic as well. * Pinkie Pie .... Grew up as Mormon or Amish, is now Pagan .... or perhaps of "The Laughing God" .... * Fluttershy is actually a Christian, "Blessed be the meek" and so on ... * Rainbow Dash - Atheist, tilting slightly towards secular Christian. * Rarity. Pinpointing her as a Jew is very much building on a stereotype on Jews as i see it ... soo no. Instead i define her as Muslim, one of their important pillars is "Charity" ...... * Applejack .... tough one this, almost any religion may fit, not because she's bland, but she is an "honest-to-god" - working pony, and those may have any religion that is big enough in the area ... To keep a bit of a twist, and being not entirely predictable, i'd define her as a Jew. These are my current thoughts, i might have decided otherwise a different day .... Except for the three first, with them i'm fairly certain Seems we share similar opinions on Twi, RD and Fluttershy ....And on that being scientific do not need to mean being an Atheist. I do disagree with you on the matters of Celestia and Luna not being divine, though. .... And Crysalis just overtook Canterlot less than half an hour before getting flung away by "The Power of Love" ....

I have read several Discworld novels, and they are recommendable if you like humor, jokes with genres(mainly fantasy), wittyful play with the english language, adventure and some action. However, i have another suggestion for the planet .... Perhaps "Equus" doesn't really have a sun or moon as such, and if it does, it always faces away from the "real" sun. What Celestia rises each day, is not what we would call "the Sun", but really a mini - sun. Same with the moon. Now, if the planet actually has a "real" sun, then it lies on the opposite side of the ponies' known world, or it might not even be any sun at all, but a research station ....

Hm, i'd probably go goth-vampiric style: much black, a little white, and even less bloodred ... Ruffles ... hm, my english is not sufficcient for describing it, i might get back to this thread with a pic ...

Fan-Regular here: I know the community in general is ok, and like a fair bit of the fan-creations, but i also know all communities has their douchebags, and the brony community is really no exception. I really like the show, even though i haven't seen most episodes more than once yet (We don't have the Hub where i live). I have a little merchandise, a crystal pinkie keychain and the wedding and apple family sets, but i would have more if the toystores closest to me had had blindbags and the collector cards ... I tell people i think might be interested about MLP: FiM, and explain if it seems neccesary.

Ok, who many want applecake for their wedding? .... Not very many, it seems. Not very many Humans, that is! Remember, we're talking some kind of equines, here ... Also, since Twilight were supposed to be there, it may be probable that Celestia wanted the whole Mane 6 to be there, just as an "extra security". And, what is the best way to be certain that All of them comes? Make them responsible for a part of the wedding preperations! And face it, AJ is better at making cakes than at fixing entertainment.