spoiler Can we please stop hating on Starlight?

[Chuckles4lyfe 441]

I have been aboard the Starlight train ever since her reformation in the S5 finale. I was one of the few who gave her character a chance to develop, and boy am I glad that I did so! She was absolutely amazing in the S6 finale! It really is hard to believe that Glimmy has come so far since her "Our Town" days back in the S5 premiere. 

 

I wouldn't pay any attention to the Glimmy haters out there man. It's the same with the Twilicorn and EQG haters as well. Let the neighsayers whine and complain. Take the high road and continue to enjoy this wonderful show that is about to hit its 6th anniversary  . 

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

Why won't let people hate in peace?

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

Funny. I made a thread not too long ago asking people who hate Starlight how they would handle her offer for friendship. Apparently, it got deleted because some people found the worst rejection options to be highly offensive.

Then I come in here and I see opinions that validate my line of questioning. Most of you really do want her to die. Lol.

[Celli 4,339]

 

 

Most of you really do want her to die

 

What? No. We want to see her develop, she has done none of that, aside from the few episodes she was a major part of, and frankly those were of questionable quality.

Did you read any of the other posts? No one said they want to see her dead.

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

 

What? No. We want to see her develop, she has done none of that, aside from the few episodes she was a major part of, and frankly those were of questionable quality.

Did you read any of the other posts? No one said they want to see her dead.

 

I could have sworn I saw at least one or two people talking about how much they want her to get erased from the show in some violent form or another. Either those posts were deleted (typical) or I'm remembering them from a different thread. Oh well.

[Ninjaed 526]

I could have sworn I saw at least one or two people talking about how much they want her to get erased from the show in some violent form or another. Either those posts were deleted (typical) or I'm remembering them from a different thread. Oh well.

 

No, you are perfectly correct, I've read those too. But... Let it be water under the bridge. Don't hate the haters

 

Sunset had a lot of backlash during EQG 1, then she was given her chance and people started to like her. Same with alicorn Twilight. I think Starlight will be a bit the same. Or at least I hope. The poor filly, such hatred...

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

I could have sworn I saw at least one or two people talking about how much they want her to get erased from the show in some violent form or another. Either those posts were deleted (typical) or I'm remembering them from a different thread. Oh well.

 

 

I accept criticisms. I believe anti-fans can provide very good criticism even more than dedicated fans, criticisms make thing better. However, if i just read any key word such as KILL [ ], DELETE[ ], ERASE [ ] etc   ... Just BUCK OFF!!! 

 

 

 

Don't hate the haters

Me: Dont give a single buck about haters.   They dont give any buck about us anyway. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Lambdadelta

[Celli 4,339]

No one is hating on Starlight. She needs proper development. And you can't honestly look at this season and say she's had any.

[BastementSparkle 20,328]

 

 

No one is hating on Starlight. She needs proper development. And you can't honestly look at this season and say she's had any.

 

I'd say she's had development this season. Rekindling her friendship with Sunburst in the premiere and starting to move past the trauma of losing him as a friend, learning that she's worth more than just her magical talent in her two most recent episodes, moving past her anxiety of failing at things, and her fear of being put back into a leadership position...

 

 She's been developed, it's just that her arc isn't over, it's obviously continuing into season 7. Just like how even now Discord continues to get development as a character.

 

 If you think she should have gotten more attention and development this season, I can't blame you there. But most people seem to think she got too much attention this season, and should have gotten even less.

[Celli 4,339]

I'd say she's had development this season. Rekindling her friendship with Sunburst in the premiere and starting to move past the trauma of losing him as a friend, learning that she's worth more than just her magical talent in her two most recent episodes, moving past her anxiety of failing at things, and her fear of being put back into a leadership position...

 

She's been developed, it's just that her arc isn't over, it's obviously continuing into season 7. Just like how even now Discord continues to get development as a character.

 

If you think she should have gotten more attention and development this season, I can't blame you there. But most people seem to think she got too much attention this season, and should have gotten even less.

Yes, there was the premiere, but she had 3 episodes after that. One not so good, one good, and one bad one. And the good one, Hearth's warming tale, wasn't really an episode that developed her.

Show her bonding with the mane 5, put her in random episodes, too.

Her "development" has been lackluster.

[BastementSparkle 20,328]

 

 

Yes, there was the premiere, but she had 3 episodes after that. One not so good, one good, and one bad one. And the good one, Hearth's warming tale, wasn't really an episode that developed her.

 

I can't agree here at all. All of her episodes have been some of the best of the season, No Second Prances and Every little thing she does were two of my favorites so far.

 

 

 

Show her bonding with the mane 5, put her in random episodes, too.

 

 

I agree she should have been in more episodes, even when not the mane character, just having a few scenes of her even just hanging out with other ponies could have helped a bit, but when she was there as the main focus I always thought she was great.

[Celli 4,339]

I can't agree here at all. All of her episodes have been some of the best of the season, No Second Prances and Every little thing she does were two of my favorites so far.

No second Prances had a lot of issues. Instead of bonding with the remane 5, she caused some problems for them, on top of not really doing a whole lot otherwise, which is also a problem Twilight had in season 4. Though NSP wasn't really bad for Star aside from the aforementioned, rather Twi, and Trixie to an extent.

And the Every Little Thing was problematic with her, again, instead of bonding, she caused them problems and was somewhat reckless with magic, which was in no way justifiable.

[Foxy Socks 2,600]

I think Starlight is a great character, who has learned a lot. She is not perfect, which is what makes her character better and more realistic. She is unaware that certain things shouldn't be done, which is exactly what I am like. I honestly think I am most similar to her.

 

I love Starlight, and she is a nice character, who is still unique. Unlike Twilight, she isn't always aware what is acceptable, and also doesn't know how to deal with situations. She has learned not to harm others, amd deserves no punishment.

 

Others can hate her, and that is fine. I think she is a realistic character almost exactly like me.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

On the note of starlight episodes: When they're good, they tend to be good for reasons BESIDES her, like Luna and the other 6 in A hearth's warming tale (Though I will admit its her best episode this season and has a MUCH better freudian excuse than Canon Starlight) or Discord and trixie in the finale.

 

If she was the shining star of the episodes and they were still good I could get behind her, but by and large its more the other people in the episode that are the high points IMO.

[BastementSparkle 20,328]

 

 

No second Prances had a lot of issues. Instead of bonding with the remane 5, she caused some problems for them, on top of not really doing a whole lot otherwise, which is also a problem Twilight had in season 4. Though NSP wasn't really bad for Star aside from the aforementioned, rather Twi, and Trixie to an extent.

 

 That's why I liked it though, she's more realistic. She's not just suddenly "Reformed" and then she knows exactly what to do. She has issues. She falls back on her old tactics of using magic to solve all her problems, she's insecure in her "Friendship" abilities, and she's scared of trying new things and failing. 

 

 Also, I loved all three of them in that episode. All of them made mistakes and learned from them.

 

 

 

And the Every Little Thing was problematic with her, again, instead of bonding, she caused them problems and was somewhat reckless with magic, which was in no way justifiable.

 

 It's not justifiable, but it's what she's used to. She seems to have a real problem recognizing the consequences of her actions, and like I said, she's used to solving everything through force and magic. She screwed up, which is why she had to apologize for her actions, and help fix them by cleaning up the castle.

 

 She also did start to bond with the mane six at the end, to be fair that was mostly shown through montage, which isn't the best way to go about it, but it's certainly a start, and can be continued in season 7 if they give her some episodes spent with them.

 

 Starlight's serious flaws are honestly a part of why I find her so interesting.

[Drunkfrank 1,125]

Starlight NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED, she commited horrible crimes that nopony else has ever done

 

She brainwashed people

Just like twilight!

 

She hurt people!

Just like Rainbow dash!

 

She lied to people

Just like ALL THE MANE 6

 

Seriously, the mane6 never get punished for anything, why should Starlight? I mean, she has helped save Equestria twice now. More than made up for brainwashing like all 12 people in that village, oh, and messing with time even though she had NO idea what was happening.

 

 

Keep in mind Discord knew what he was doing, new what was going on in the s4 premiere, betrayed the mane 6 in the s4 finale, always messed with them, and didn't even care that the changelings kidnapped anyone besides Fluttershy

 

And yet everyone forgives him?

Why?

Because he's john de lancie and hes funny pretty much.

 

This is a VERY negative fandom and we have to live with that, Gravity falls has had some episodes that their fandom would consider good or at worst, just eh, where has if a similar quality episode appears in mlp, we all scream to the heavens about how the show is dead, this episode sucked yada yada.

 

So with such a negative fandom we just have to kind of accept when a new character isn't liked despite not really being that bad...at all.

 

I enjoy the show very much still, and while Season 6 has been worse than 5 and 4 to me, I still appreciate most of the episodes because I don't always look at them with a crtitical eye. 

 

The finale was amazing, it was a great idea that paid off, not my favorite 2 parter, but very good, the mane 6 don't always need to save the day, in fact, that goes against the main theme of the s5 finale, ALL ponies and friendships are important to equestria

 

 

This was very rambly and probably not very coherent, but it's my thoughts

Edited October 9, 2016 by ryanmahaffe

[Ninjaed 526]

I think Hasbro did well not to include her in too many episodes. Some needed (and others still need) some time to get over the change and at least accept giving her a chance.

 

That being said, I agree she did not get the development one could wish she had... but on the other hand, she was running away from said development, as it freaked her out. And while she's starting to be freed from her trauma, there's still a lot of work to be done. She's slowly gaining self-confidence, but could slip back if things go sour. As she is now, I doubt she'd be able to swallow Twilight "betraying" her, for instance.

 

As for bonding with the Mane 5... Well, since she's been running away from it, ofc she hasn't really bonded yet. She's only close to Twilight and Trixie, and in 3rd place comes Spike. That's it. That's her current world, and she's desperate to keep it.

 

As others have mentionned, she's a flawed character, which makes her interesting. Her polarising people comes both from poor handling of her backstory (which is a bad thing) and the flaws in her personality (which is a good thing). She has caused quite her share of problems, but is being guided to become a better pony - much like others have in the past in MLP, both FiM and EQG.

 

All we need now is more character development so people can better understand her. Misunderstanding creates division. Just look at Thorax. Season 5 was saying "it may seem like a small incident, but it changed Starlight's life". Season 6 is saying "look beyond first appearances, and you may be surprised".

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Seriously, the mane6 never get punished for anything, why should Starlight?

 

The mane six have never put Equestria in legitimate peril, nor tried to kill each other, or anyone else.  

 

Starlight had some pretty massive hurdles to jump. 

[Ninjaed 526]

The mane six have never put Equestria in legitimate peril, nor tried to kill each other, or anyone else.  

 

Starlight had some pretty massive hurdles to jump. 

 

Sunset has put Equestria in (arguably) legitimate peril, but the difference is - for Starlight, it was unintentional. For Sunset, it was her objective. Sunset was FORCED to reform, Starlight CHOSE to reform. There's also Discord who hasn't been an angel, neither was Trixie (though to a lesser extent of course).

 

Also, Starlight NEVER tried to kill anyone. She could have changed history without waiting for Twilight to come back. She could have killed Twilight when she had encased her in her crystal. She could have simply killed filly Rainbow Dash or filly Fluttershy. But those had never been her intentions.

 

Her objective was but one: exact revenge upon Twilight by making her know of her suffering, of her trauma. When faced with the unintentional consequences, she freaked out and went into denial. Twilight handled the situation extremely well, understanding that Starlight hadn't anticipated those and detecting what it was that Starlight needed - a friend. One that would not abandon her.

 

Sooo... One thing left to say:

 

[SomeRetroGeek 110]

I have to agree with Mesme and others that it doesn't work that way. We do all have different opinions about characters, and I'm one who really hates Starlight because of her reformation, the way it was handled and how it didn't work. All of my thoughts regarding her reformation can be seen here:

[Drunkfrank 1,125]

I have to agree with Mesme and others that it doesn't work that way. We do all have different opinions about characters, and I'm one who really hates Starlight because of her reformation, the way it was handled and how it didn't work. All of my thoughts regarding her reformation can be seen here:

"That would have been much more dramatic and better suited to Starlight"

 

You sound like you are stating this as objective facts.

 

I don't think that would have been interesting, having Starlight want only revenge against twilight so she could start AGAIN with her out of the way was far better in my opinion

Twilight wanted the mane 6 gone so she could live her life in peace. And making her a direct parallel to Twilight made me far more interested than if she was just doing the same thing over again but on a bigger scale.

 

When doing a reoccurring villain, I don't want to see them do the same thing again and again, even if they approach it differently, it's still the same.

[SomeRetroGeek 110]

"That would have been much more dramatic and better suited to Starlight"

 

You sound like you are stating this as objective facts.

 

I don't think that would have been interesting, having Starlight want only revenge against twilight so she could start AGAIN with her out of the way was far better in my opinion

Twilight wanted the mane 6 gone so she could live her life in peace. And making her a direct parallel to Twilight made me far more interested than if she was just doing the same thing over again but on a bigger scale.

 

When doing a reoccurring villain, I don't want to see them do the same thing again and again, even if they approach it differently, it's still the same.

 

I did make it clear before stating that it would have been better suited to Starlight, as well as many other times in the video, that these are solely my opinions. None of my opinions are factual. I apologise if it came across as though I was stating something was factual.

 

Starlight getting rid of Twilight by using time travel makes no sense to me. Why time travel? There are multiple other ways she could have gone about removing Twilight. Like I said, her coming back and convincing/brainwashing others into believing her way is right, and ultimately leading a revolution against the princesses and taking over as the sole ruler, forcing everyone into her way of thinking, removing cutie marks from everyone, including Twilight. That way, Twilight is left powerless, but her determination helps her through and allows her to succeed.

 

With your third bit, I'm assuming you mean Starlight. Twilight can't be a parallel to Twilight unless there are two Twilight's with opposite personalities and share the same name. Joking aside, Starlight is a great parallel to Twilight. It makes the conflict more interesting, hence why I can't stand her reformation, as there is so much more they could have done with her. Her reformation is my biggest issue. It's a cheap way of writing your way out of a situation like changing history and destroying a spell that could set everything right if you just reform the character.

 

And your final point, I agree. That's why I said if they were going to do the time travel thing, they should have done it with a different villain, and not Starlight, who, in my opinion, isn't suited to messing with time considering the events and what we learn about her in 'Cutie Markless'. I don't mind things being done the same but on a bigger scale. It makes it much more dramatic and shows how far the villain will go to get her way of thinking. It's conflict. Twilight and Starlight. One representing democracy, the other communism. Raise the stakes as high as they can go, I'm invested, I'm on the edge of my seat, I'm enjoying myself.

[Victoria Sponge 1,017]

 

She just wants people to like her

[Cleverclover 1,526]

Also, Starlight NEVER tried to kill anyone.

 

Encasing Twilight and Spike in crystal and then allowing them to fall to their deaths wasn't trying to kill them?

 

You can explain her actions away if you wish, but it won't change the fact that these actions are what left people feel indifferent or unsatisfied with her reformation. She clearly had a lot to make up for. The mane six clearly needed some time to forgive her and build a relationship. She should not have received forgiveness instantly, especially since Discord didn't. 

 

And there's still the matter that, despite deciding to make a commitment to become a better pony, she decides to squander her goodwill by proving that Twilight had indeed been far too hasty in trusting her by mind-controlling the ponies that she was supposed to be spending time with. Because that was a far more convenient option to her than simply taking the time to get to know them.

 

And I have to say, I don't see why the mane five have to be forced into friendship with her after something like that. I mean, I'd like to think I'm a forgiving guy, but if you're asking me to befriend someone who has willingly stolen away my free will and forced me to become a slave, then you're just crazy. Besides, I don't think Starlight needs them anyway, and vice versa. Especially if she does not respect or care about them. As far as friends goes, she has Twilight, Spike, Sunburst and Trixie. All ponies whom I believe she never would have mind-controlled for her own benefit. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Cleverclover

[IsraelYabuki 446]

at first I wasn't sure of her but I learned to like her since she's reformed