spoiler Rumored episode 10 synopsis.

[Maple Bat 3,568]

Ok so what i think about this is that it is in fact a possibly however the events of season 1 Ep 1 and 2 where supposed to have fixed their sibling issues.

On the flip side this episode could be potentially a character development where it is really explained how Luna felt she had to live in her sisters shadow and we can learn a lot about lunas back story as celestia will probably have a much simalar response to controling the moon and night instead of the sun and day.

My thinking is it could go either way but I really like the idea of a Nightmare Celestia 

[Jeric 46,882]

5 hours ago, Truffles said:

Ah well scratch my explanation earlier where I thought the sisters could be asking her to do this for them. Since the official description says she does it "impulsively" that means she does it without asking for permission. I'm not going to dislike it just for that but it's already causing major problems for the episode with many fans. I guess I'll just sit and wait and see for now.

It means she does it without considering the consequences, like most the episodes this show has aired. Characters acting impulsively seems to be what causes 90% of the friendship issues to begin with. If that is a flaw that fans have, I posit they are biased, or perhaps are tiring of one of the hallmark conflict generators on the show. Perhaps making a judgement call ... impulsively.

I suspect the whole set-up would be the product of poor planning and a spell misfire, with both sisters agreeing to the switched role through misguided overconfidence, "How hard is it to watch over dreams" vs "Just make a decision and move on, piece of cake." If the map sends Starlight, you also have the "not wanting to fail the Table God" factor that could lead to a bad decision. 

 

47 minutes ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

my response?
>Run puke.exe program

Seriously? We FINALLY get a two sisters episode, and its about Starlight? And about her, almost on a WHIM, magically soul altering two of the most powerful beings in the show?
I mean, come on, when twilight did this she had a magical artifact behind her being the cause, this is just starlight being like "Oh yeah, I can do this crap because I'm me!"

Bollox. My hype for this episode went into the toilet, and then got flushed into the septic tank.

So what's your over/under on character screentime since you made your decision based on empirical knowledge that Starlight is the main character throughout the show? Unless I'm missing something, because I don't see how that judgement can be made prior to seeing the episode. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

5 minutes ago, Jeric said:

So what's your over/under on character screentime since you made your decision based on empirical knowledge that Starlight is the main character throughout the show? Unless I'm missing something, because I don't see how that judgement can be made prior to seeing the episode. 

She's had 4 episodes heavily dealing with her, less than 1/4 of the way through the season, and the last 4 two parters have heavily dealt with her as the central figure of the episode.
I don't think its reaching to expect she'll get figure into more than these 4 episodes she's gotten this season, or the finale, and 4 episodes with her as a major figure is already about the max that most of the MANE SIX get for focus each season.

[Jeric 46,882]

7 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

Well, with the synopsis being true, I will say I am not fond it. Starlught REALLY need to be in this damn episode? I really don't see the point. I feel they should have just gone with Celestia and Luna and basically no-one, at least no one else being drastically essential to the plot. From what it sounds like, we get to see more of Starlight's OP magic which is always...irritating. 

My hype has gone to 'meh' levels for this.

On first glance you would think it makes sense to have Twilight here since she has the best established relationship with both Tia and Luna. That said, I'm wondering if Twilight would be able to mediate this difference due to her closeness. Starlight may make sense from a narrative and thematic point of view because she is less biased. 

5 minutes ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

She's had 4 episodes heavily dealing with her, less than 1/4 of the way through the season

She had one episode that she was featured and the focal protagonist. She appears in two others in a supporting role. She will likely appear in episode 10 in a supporting role secondary to Luna or Tia. 

Not that long ago I suggested that Starlight was no more than a secondary character, but it appears that the staff have other intentions. You know how people suggest that the show has 10 main characters (the Mane Six, Spike, and the CMC?) 

Now we have 11. How does one deal with that? Well, there are those that dislike <insert Mane Six character> and they just deal and move on. Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that may be the most mature option. 

 

Now, I do want to say that like other big episodes, I do have a measure of mild anxiety. I have been waiting on a episode focused on the Royal Sisters for some time too. I consider this almost criminally untapped story potential.  My concern is that they don't stick the landing, you know, bad overall episode. Are we in for another Newbie Dash, or another Crusaders of the Lost Mark? I'm hoping that Starlight or not, we get the later. I would assume that most people here would at least agree that the hope the episode is well done. 

[ManaMinori 4,149]

4 hours ago, Mesme Rize said:

Basically, you just don't feel like giving her a chance. Got it.

 

BTW, only a 10 year old would use a name like "Starlight Gutter."

no, no. I gave her a chance in "Fluttershy Falls in". she was FINE in that episode. I liked her presence, and amount of screentime.

 

[Ganondorf8 11,709]

Since the episode has been confirmed now to be what it is, I'm actually okay with the premise and it doesn't have to do with Starlight. Now granted, this trope that the two sisters find themselves in has happened in other media time and time again, but Celestia and Luna aren't what you would go traditional characters given their status. Since we know what can happen when cutie marks are switched around--Magical Mystery Cure--the two sisters are likely to go through a similar ordeal.

[GiFTGewEhrSCHutzen-4 8,833]

Just came from the MLP Wiki site, and yes, I can't wait for this episode to air! More screening time for Celestia and Luna!

[Dynamo Pad 11,693]

After reading the synopsis for the episode, I'm pretty psyched for the episode. It's great that Starlight will be involved in the episode. I'm also happy to see that this will be a Celestia and Luna episode. It's nice to see that we'll getting a royal sisters episode. It'll also be great to see some character from the two sisters. As well as development for them both in the episode. I would like to see how the sisters could handle each others jobs with their marks switched. While it may sound overpowered that Starlight can switch cutie marks from other ponies, I still think this episode will be interesting. All in all, I'm really excited to see this episode. 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

11 hours ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

my response?
>Run puke.exe program

Seriously? We FINALLY get a two sisters episode, and its about Starlight? And about her, almost on a WHIM, magically soul altering two of the most powerful beings in the show?
I mean, come on, when twilight did this she had a magical artifact behind her being the cause, this is just starlight being like "Oh yeah, I can do this crap because I'm me!"

Bollox. My hype for this episode went into the toilet, and then got flushed into the septic tank.

I am pretty much right with you on this. the whole 'ripping off Cutie Marks' thing made no sense when she first did it and here, it will make even less sense. Why would she even need to do that? Can't the two sisters just swap places? I mean, Celestia was raising both the sun and moon apparently for 1,000 years so that isn't out of the question.

Here's the thing; Starlight isn't a terrible character, at least not now for what that is worth. They have shown that she can be a great character without using her insanely overpowered magical bullshit so with her as a character, I am fine with that. However, she has no place in this episode. There's no reason for her to be involved with Celestia and Luna's issues and even worse, they are gonna have Starlight rip off the cutie marks of THOSE TWO? I get it that she will be doing it impulsively, but I still find it ridiculous that she can even do that to those two. The reason why I hate this is because it is not showing good sides to Starlight's personality, but instead showing her controlling side while also showing off her stupid magical abilities that make no damn sense whatsoever. So we have an episode we have been waiting for, for ages, then Starlight is shoe-horned into it, her using her overpowered, nonsense magic to do something that is entirely unnecessary to begin with. And I am all for forgiveness and all that, but there should be some slap on the wrist for Starlight impulsively using magic that she once used to enslave an entire town.

This season so far has done a decent job at building Starlight's character and making it work, so much so that I have grown to like her to some extent, but with this episode, it could be a sure-fire way to make me hate her all over again. I really don't even want this episode to happen now.

[Princess Book Horse 353]

8 hours ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

She's had 4 episodes heavily dealing with her, less than 1/4 of the way through the season, and the last 4 two parters have heavily dealt with her as the central figure of the episode.
I don't think its reaching to expect she'll get figure into more than these 4 episodes she's gotten this season, or the finale, and 4 episodes with her as a major figure is already about the max that most of the MANE SIX get for focus each season.

We've seen 5 episodes of Season 7. Two with her has a supporting role, one where she appeared for 3 seconds at the end, one where she didn't appear at all and only ONE where she was the main focus. I think some people are overreacting to how much screen time she's getting this season.

5 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

no, no. I gave her a chance in "Fluttershy Falls in". she was FINE in that episode. I liked her presence, and amount of screentime.

 

Right, so a tiny, non-speaking cameo is "giving her a chance." 

Edited May 3, 2017 by Princess Book Horse

[ManaMinori 4,149]

2 hours ago, Princess Book Horse said:

We've seen 5 episodes of Season 7. Two with her has a supporting role, one where she appeared for 3 seconds at the end, one where she didn't appear at all and only ONE where she was the main focus. I think some people are overreacting to how much screen time she's getting this season.

Right, so a tiny, non-speaking cameo is "giving her a chance." 

until she can prove for good that she won't use her op magic for stupid, impulsive crap like this cutie-mark stealing/swapping/ brainwashing/ mind controlling garbage- which- again- she was supposed to have learned- that's all she deserves, quite frankly.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

19 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

until she can prove for good that she won't use her op magic for stupid, impulsive crap like this cutie-mark stealing/swapping/ brainwashing/ mind controlling garbage- which- again- she was supposed to have learned- that's all she deserves, quite frankly.

How does she do that with no screen time or episodes giving her a supporting role to show that? You and others are still fuming over S6 and all the things and ways you called her evil and terrible, and keep saying you want change and to see her differently... then they start slowly doing that in S7 and you are angry because she is even showing up at all. She has not even done anything yet... nothing at all... and yet somehow she is still wrong. That is not giving her a chance... it is just hating her to hate her. It is the very opposite message of what this show is supposed to be about one could argue. You are talking about this new episode like it has already happened... did you go into the future and watch it and come back here to tell us about it? I am in full agreement that this episode could be a mess, and has all the markings of a possible disaster in the making... but it is what... a month and a half away? A synopsis does not tell the whole story.... it is just a blurb to give you a general idea of the episode... and sometimes they are misleading or outright wrong. I am not against someone feeling misgivings for what could happen, I am against someone building a blind hatred up about it before it even airs, without knowing what it is about. Then when it does air, no matter what happens, those same people will just blindly hate it and rant about it as if they were right all along, because they never gave them self a chance to try. The episode synopsis could be utterly wrong, and they may ask her to swap their marks of their own free will.... and no one will see that... they will just say "OMG!!! STARLIGHT LEARNED NOTHING!!!!!" and then rant for several hours. She may do it because she sees no other alternative "OMG!!! STARLIGHT TRYING TO BRAINWASH!!!"

Seriously... if she does do everything wrong, well I will go from there. But until I see it happen, I am hoping the writers thought of this, saw all the complaints last season, and have some ideas on how to do it right. That is a lot better for me than jumping the gun and throwing a massive tantrum about something which may not even happen.

So yeah this is what I am getting from all of this back and forth.

"Starlight needs to show us she has changed!"

"OMG, Starlight is in the show! This sucks"

So which is it? If you want to see change, she has to be in the show... period. If people want her to feel like a member of the main cast and not some alien outsider, she has to be in the show.... there is no other possible solution. She has to be in the show either in a meaningful main or supporting role just like the rest of the mane 6. I have no desire to see any of the Mane 6 take a backseat to her, but I am not against them making her feel like a seventh member. If you just don't want her in the show... well... OK.  Nothing I or anyone else can say about that. But apparently Hasbro and DHX did not get your memo, because they are doing it anyway. So, since they are putting her in the show against your (and anyone else hating her) wishes, isn't it better to ask for meaningful roles and entertaining episodes than to just sulk and rant and seethe because she exists? As I have said before in other threads... if it is that bad... quit (Or don't watch those episodes). Because the show cannot fix that problem, there is nothing anyone can do to solve obsessive hatred except the person feeling the hatred.

[Thrond 3,271]

13 hours ago, GrimGrimoire said:

A. Attended a celebration held in Trixie, Thorax, Discord and her honor.

B. Tried to teach Trixie some more advanced magic, while not having the courage to tell someone she cared about she was being a bitch.

C. Flew a kite and tried to make a new friend. (which was some small growth for both her and Maud)

 

 

Those take some really small steps to make her feel a little less bland to me, but they honestly just make her feel even more separate from the mane six, which is what I was talking about in the first place. I still find that more interesting than not, but it does make her appearances in mane six-centric episodes somewhat surprising. There's a part of my lizard brain concerned about her having so many appearances so close in episodes which otherwise don't seem to have that much to do with her, since she feels so separate from the main friends group, but I'm not sure it's much more than supporting roles for other main characters in any given season, and I think it's more me not enjoying Starlight in the show right now than anything else. 

13 hours ago, GrimGrimoire said:

People are free to hate her all they like.... but if they hate her for doing EVERYTHING wrong last season, and then literally doing NOTHING wrong so far this season, then honestly she can't win (really the writers) no matter what she does.

 

 

Honestly, my issues with her in season 7 are basically the same as my issues with her in season 6: not enough distinct personality traits, somewhat inconsistent character arc. This time it just feels like they're recycling ideas which have already been presented with her. Honestly, I actually liked her a fair bit more last season, but then I have a much bigger issue with blandness than bad deeds or story inconsistencies. 

13 hours ago, GrimGrimoire said:

This upcoming episode is just that.. upcoming... no one knows how it will play out or what will happen. She could be asked to perform a spell and things go wrong, or she could be trying something totally different spell wise and someone else messes it all up. It is a synopsis, written by an outside source to my knowledge... meant to catch your attention, not tell you what happens. It is all assumptions and wild guesses at this point which could be utterly correct, or way off point. We'll see what happens when it airs, then everyone can pull out the shackles and chains.

 

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I really do think that humour is a major deciding point in whether an episode is entertaining, and you can't guess that from a synopsis. 

Edited May 3, 2017 by AlexanderThrond

[Jeric 46,882]

1 hour ago, AlexanderThrond said:

Honestly, my issues with her in season 7 are basically the same as my issues with her in season 6: not enough distinct personality traits, somewhat inconsistent character arc.

In Season 6 you would have a little bit of a point. At times she felt like she was a little like Luna and Sunset Shimmer (though her standing up to Twilight in frustration was a huge reason why I felt there was hope for her). During the S6 finale she started to break that mold a little. The little things matter to me. Her line to Thorax at the climax, couple with her facial expressions made me realize that she was a character that could be at the center of stories that the Mane Six would feel a little OOC in. 

Season 7 is a whole different story. There really isn't a character like her on this show. She has salty sarcasm that feels more natural to her character that we would scream about if Rainbow Dash or any other character did that, some would roll their eyes and pull a TV Trope term out of their "look at how smert I am ... I read interwebz" hat. 

Even her resigned tone during her discussion with Pinkie ending with her tossing the covers over herself was sublime characterization. She has a lot of personality nuances that make her feel more like a person you would actually meet, instead of just an archetype. She also has a tendency to let her anger and frustration get the better of her, and uses her magic (her talent) as a productive outlet making the character a wonderful metaphor.

As far as her being OP, I thought that the fans of the show would have caught on to what they're doing. Having raw potential with little restraint and wisdom is a great way to mine ideas, especially when the character has a friend who is the ying to her yang (Sunburst). Bring OP with these flaws and that pre-authorization solution lends itself to some succulent thematic possibilities. 

This is what I hoped Sunset Shimmer would become before after Rainbow Rocks -- not that Sunny is a bad character -- but with Starlight, I see more potential not tied to a fandom wishlist moment. 

So seeing how Starlight's approach has already led to some dialog and interactions would couldn't have had with any other character, I am looking forward to her dealing with the Royal Sisters. 

[Megas 28,124]

I think the problem with Starlight in Season 6 was that she thrust into the forefront of all of the season's most important episodes as the lead character, both while trivializing the mane 6 and not giving her many normal episodes that gave the audience a reason to care about her. And if she did they were either bad(No Second Prances) and/or made her look really bad(Every Little Thing She Does)

I'm willing to forgive S7 giving her more screentime if they actually give me a reason to care about her, and so far it's succeeding. All Bottled Up, in a sense, feels like ELTSD done right, as well as Rock Solid Friendship giving her interaction with anyone not named Twilight or Trixie, namely Maud and in particular Pinkie, which is a step forward to addressing one of my biggest complaints of the character in S6, treating her like a mane character despite never interacting with any of them

Edited May 3, 2017 by Whompy Whomperson

[Thrond 3,271]

1 hour ago, Jeric said:

Season 7 is a whole different story. There really isn't a character like her on this show. She has salty sarcasm that feels more natural to her character that we would scream about if Rainbow Dash or any other character did that, some would roll their eyes and pull a TV Trope term out of their "look at how smert I am ... I read interwebz" hat. 

Even her resigned tone during her discussion with Pinkie ending with her tossing the covers over herself was sublime characterization. She has a lot of personality nuances that make her feel more like a person you would actually meet, instead of just an archetype. She also has a tendency to let her anger and frustration get the better of her, and uses her magic (her talent) as a productive outlet making the character a wonderful metaphor.

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I always feel like that sarcasm is overstated, and I suppose I just don't find it funny enough to stand on its own. I think I want more from her than just the occasional snark, although maybe part of that is just that I'm not really used to this characterization. I feel there's less to latch on to without the self-doubt she showed in the season 6 two-parters. The feeling I always get from her is usually earnestness besides, although the specific stories she's given this season probably don't help - I might have liked her more if I found any of the episodes she had speaking roles in entertaining. Maud isn't the best personality for her to bounce off of, and "All Bottled Up" was all about her avoiding snark. 

And, I've gotta be perfectly honest, the way she uses magic to solve problems really just strikes me as more horrifying than anything else, although this season I think I just found it stale and redundant. I get the point. She's a misfit who cannot deal with problems in a healthy manner. Now, I'd like something from her which doesn't revolve around those two traits, and if you're gonna introduce weird quirks to her magic, I'd like them explained in-universe.

1 hour ago, Jeric said:

So seeing how Starlight's approach has already led to some dialog and interactions would couldn't have had with any other character, I am looking forward to her dealing with the Royal Sisters. 

 

Here's hoping for some good banter. 

[PoisonClaw 8,174]

I'm of the "wait and see" attitude, but I am both hyped and concerned at the same time. Hyped because this season is finally giving Celestia some screen time, and with a Royal Sisters episode to boot! 

However... the exact wording of the synopsis has me worried, for a few reasons. 

1) The last time the sisters "didn't  appreciate each other", Luna ended up becoming Nightmare Moon and being banished to the moon for a millennium.

2) Is said disagreement going to just be a sisterly spat like in Slice of Life, or are a pair of ponies hundreds of years old going to act like children bickering over who gets the last chocolate chip cookie?

3) When Starlight accidentally switches their cutie marks, how will this affect the sisters? Will it be like Magical Mystery Cure and their memories will be altered, or will their cutie marks be the only thing changed?

Regarding the last one, how the episode handles "why" Starlight can't  just magic their  cutie marks back might make or break this episode. If it's  because of some contrived reason like she doesn't  know a counterspell, then I'd be worried, but I would seriously applaud the writers if they have it that Starlight can reverse it right then and there, but both Luna and Celestia instead see this as an opportunity to "walk a mile in the other's horseshoes". This could then lead to some good comedy, cause neither would want to admit the other was right when chaos inevitably ensues.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

18 hours ago, Jeric said:

She had one episode that she was featured and the focal protagonist. She appears in two others in a supporting role. She will likely appear in episode 10 in a supporting role secondary to Luna or Tia. 

Not that long ago I suggested that Starlight was no more than a secondary character, but it appears that the staff have other intentions. You know how people suggest that the show has 10 main characters (the Mane Six, Spike, and the CMC?) 

Now we have 11. How does one deal with that? Well, there are those that dislike <insert Mane Six character> and they just deal and move on. Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that may be the most mature option.

I guess I should throw my Hornslayer into the fray. CLANG!

 

Mature and logical ... People don't consume entertainment in such a manner. They don't want to consume it in such a manner. It's all about emotion. Look around you and take in all those mature dealing mechanisms. Some don't like X and think X has too much exposure? From their point of view that might just as well be true. Even game designers have realized that perceived balance is important and that has nothing to do with numbers.

 

To have a new character that is both powerful and is able to walk a path that was not open to the previous batch. Such additions beget resentment. The hatred between fans of various characters or teams in sports is a creek that only becomes a bellowing river in a shitstorm. You can say that such endless spiteful competition is healthy for a community. It shows that there are many strong options for many different folks. Resentment is a vast underground sea that silently eats away at the very foundations of a fandom leaving behind only devastation. It is kinda ironic that Bronies of all people are blind to this emotion.

 

As far as main characters are concerned, you know how people in any fandom are divided, not by characters, but by investment. Are you speaking of main characters as someone looking from outside in, or as someone residing inside the very core? The Crown of Main may be forged by writers but it cannot be bestowed by reason alone lest it is rejected. Me, I think that right now there are no characters in FIM worthy of this crown, but perhaps this is my fault since I may be looking from too far out. When everypony's main, no pony will be. Hyperbolic, I know. Some say it's a good thing. It should sell more toys in the short term, yet we're already in late game without a hypercarry. I fear for my hats.

[Princess Book Horse 353]

9 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

until she can prove for good that she won't use her op magic for stupid, impulsive crap like this cutie-mark stealing/swapping/ brainwashing/ mind controlling garbage- which- again- she was supposed to have learned- that's all she deserves, quite frankly.

1. That has literally only happened ONCE since her reformation.

2. Name one time she has done something wrong in Season 7. I'll wait.