spoiler Fears Confirmed- New Pony Problem

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

So, I was talking to another user and something came up in the conversation. So I decided to come back here and leave something that is relevant to the conversation to see what people think of it and if they remember it.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/01/29/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-exclusive-twilight-princess

[BalanceBrony 259]

So, I was talking to another user and something came up in the conversation. So I decided to come back here and leave something that is relevant to the conversation to see what people think of it and if they remember it.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/01/29/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-exclusive-twilight-princess

But then, I would have called out people hating on Princess Twilight. Had I been a brony at the time of the Twilicorn controversy, I would have been initially annoyed at the blatant product placement. But I would have also seen all of the new story potential.

 

In this case however, there isn't much potential with this idgit. Product placement aside, there is also a problem in the way she's written. Twilight was still Twilight, but with wings. At worst, it would have been nothing of important, and just an eyesore to get used to, for me at least. But OP babies are too easy to use as an excuse for lazy writing.  That and, when factoring in the worst redemption arc, it's understandable to be concerned.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

But then, I would have called out people hating on Princess Twilight. Had I been a brony at the time of the Twilicorn controversy, I would have been initially annoyed at the blatant product placement. But I would have also seen all of the new story potential.   In this case however, there isn't much potential with this idgit. Product placement aside, there is also a problem in the way she's written. Twilight was still Twilight, but with wings. At worst, it would have been nothing of important, and just an eyesore to get used to, for me at least. But OP babies are too easy to use as an excuse for lazy writing.  That and, when factoring in the worst redemption arc, it's understandable to be concerned.

To me this is a way of saying that this nonsense is coming out of the "toy-selling part" of the cartoon (or at least it's evidence of it). This is not the writers trying to tell a story. (AKA "bad writing") I don't know how things really work in the decision making process for the creative decisions of the cartoon, but this is, as you say, a bad idea from all angles I look at it.

 

Twilight becoming a princess and treated the way that she was treated, makes me think that the writers didn't have the intention to make her into an alicorn. At least not yet. I think that if the intention was that she'd become an alicorn, all changes would've been more organic and not forced on her by the plot afterwards. In my opinion, everything about Twilight becoming an alicorn comes out of the blue. There was no hinting at the possibility until Season 3 aired and that makes sense because the episodes are probably not made sequentially. The point is, if the writers were comfortable with Twilight becoming an alicorn/princess, it would've been more organic. People can disagree with this all they want, but there is no denying that the cartoon forgot she was an alicorn unless it was one of the few episodes that dealt with it. Not to mention all that uneasiness about her position and powers that seemed to come in contradiction to what she was saying in earlier episodes.

 

The reason I mentioned that interview is because Cadance having a foal, and an alicorn foal, was likely not intended at the time that Twilight ascended. Because it would make no sense for her to say what she said. Thus, this is a new idea and since Cadance's little spawn has those giant wings and horn, like the toy that she was made to look like, I think I have good reasons to think that she was turned into the special little snowflake that she is (both in being an alicorn and being the psychic kid from the Shining), is because some Corporate Evil Overlord said so. The toy came out first, and it looked like a deformed beast with giant wings and horn that belongs in a toy, but not in the designs from MLP.

 

I know that you don't see the comedic possibility that I see in this whole nonsense, but I think that the writers see the problems that we both see with this. And this thing will likely not be too important in the conflict of the episode. Otherwise, I see no reason to bring Starlight Glimmer and Sunburst into it. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about Starlight Glimmer now, other than hope that the writers know what they're doing with her. But at least, THAT sounds like the writers trying to tell a story.

 

EDIT: Is it understandable to be concerned? I've been concerned with episodes in this cartoon ever since Hearth's Warming Eve.

Edited March 8, 2016 by Metemponychosis

[BalanceBrony 259]

To me this is a way of saying that this nonsense is coming out of the "toy-selling part" of the cartoon (or at least it's evidence of it). This is not the writers trying to tell a story. (AKA "bad writing") I don't know how things really work in the decision making process for the creative decisions of the cartoon, but this is, as you say, a bad idea from all angles I look at it.

 

Twilight becoming a princess and treated the way that she was treated, makes me think that the writers didn't have the intention to make her into an alicorn. At least not yet. I think that if the intention was that she'd become an alicorn, all changes would've been more organic and not forced on her by the plot afterwards. In my opinion, everything about Twilight becoming an alicorn comes out of the blue. There was no hinting at the possibility until Season 3 aired and that makes sense because the episodes are probably not made sequentially. The point is, if the writers were comfortable with Twilight becoming an alicorn/princess, it would've been more organic. People can disagree with this all they want, but there is no denying that the cartoon forgot she was an alicorn unless it was one of the few episodes that dealt with it. Not to mention all that uneasiness about her position and powers that seemed to come in contradiction to what she was saying in earlier episodes.

 

The reason I mentioned that interview is because Cadance having a foal, and an alicorn foal, was likely not intended at the time that Twilight ascended. Because it would make no sense for her to say what she said. Thus, this is a new idea and since Cadance's little spawn has those giant wings and horn, like the toy that she was made to look like, I think I have good reasons to think that she was turned into the special little snowflake that she is (both in being an alicorn and being the psychic kid from the Shining), is because some Corporate Evil Overlord said so. The toy came out first, and it looked like a deformed beast with giant wings and horn that belongs in a toy, but not in the designs from MLP.

 

I know that you don't see the comedic possibility that I see in this whole nonsense, but I think that the writers see the problems that we both see with this. And this thing will likely not be too important in the conflict of the episode. Otherwise, I see no reason to bring Starlight Glimmer and Sunburst into it. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about Starlight Glimmer now, other than hope that the writers know what they're doing with her. But at least, THAT sounds like the writers trying to tell a story.

 

EDIT: Is it understandable to be concerned? I've been concerned with episodes in this cartoon ever since Hearth's Warming Eve.

Alicorn or no, the Princess part was always planned. Twilight was, from day 1 of the show, intended to become a successor of Celestia and Luna.  So though the physical transformation was sudden, they were always leading up to "Princess of Friendship." And you see that in Season 4, where they cover her coming into her Princesshood. They had to make her a Princess in S3 finale because executives, and they would have liked to take more time getting to it, but that was always the plan.

 

And as for the comedic value- no amount of comedy can make up for Princess Poof if she is written as badly as the promo foreshadows she may be.

[EverEverOn 346]

I honestly don't see the problem with Flurry Heart. This isn't the first time we've had an OP character in the show. Celestia is OP. Luna is OP. Cadence is OP. Twilight is now OP... yet the new foal is at fault. Why? Because everyone is overreacting to her. She's only a baby, and everyone is already calling her a Mary-Sue... we won't know her flaws until she's older. For now, she'll just be a baby.

And it's not like we even have a whole lot of information on Flurry yet. We haven't seen enough of her to judge her. I'm waiting to see the premier before I decide if I like her or not.

[BalanceBrony 259]

I honestly don't see the problem with Flurry Heart. This isn't the first time we've had an OP character in the show. Celestia is OP. Luna is OP. Cadence is OP. Twilight is now OP... yet the new foal is at fault. Why? Because everyone is overreacting to her. She's only a baby, and everyone is already calling her a Mary-Sue... we won't know her flaws until she's older. For now, she'll just be a baby.

And it's not like we even have a whole lot of information on Flurry yet. We haven't seen enough of her to judge her. I'm waiting to see the premier before I decide if I like her or not.

I don't agree with the word Mary Sue for baby Flutter Face. She doesn't have any characterization. No flaws, no strengths. Because she's a darn baby. Babies can't have character and still be believable.

 

The fact that she's "just a baby". Is a large part of the concern. Babies are not characters yet. They are more like objects, to which the show and the characters react. Which is why it's so important to not make them powerful or special. It's pretty much like adding a really cute, happy rock to the show. A cute happy rock could function the same way, and has in past media. But if you give the baby powers rivaling the strongest characters on the show, that cute, happy, squishy rock is firing magical beams willy-nilly, serving no purpose other than to offer conflicts and/or solutions.

 

Making the baby OP is entirely different from making proper characters OP, because they can have depth, story, etc. Babies can't have any of that stuff and still be proper babies. So, that just leaves them as a stupid, lazy writing device at worst, and a boring, useless, non-character at best. And making a baby OP magnifies how garbage those two possibilities can be.

 

That said, I can understand waiting for the premier. But OP baby is a bad step.

[SBaby 660]

This is more of the 'OMG Change; it's OVER!!!' overreaction that we saw when the finale of Season 3 was brought to light.  Everyone is just looking for something to hate about the new character.  If she didn't display that power, people would find something else to whine about with her.  What's funny is she's going to be an occasionally recurring character at best (and that's IF the premiere isn't the only episodes with Shining Armour and Cadence in them).

 

Again, I doubt this will have any far-reaching significance beyond the initial episodes and maybe one other at the most.  That's the kind of show this is.  You get one story arc, and then it's onto the next thing (and that's IF she's even the central focus of the story arc).  Everyone here should know this by now.

 

If you ask me, I'd worry more about the movie than this.  The movie is way more likely to have a far-reaching impact on the status quo than a baby being born in the Season 6 premiere.

 

 

Honestly, this really comes down to the fact that this topic is essentially a hate thread for a character that hasn't even been introduced in the series yet.  As someone else put earlier, this is paranoid speculation based on a 30-second trailer.

 

Now if it turns out that the premiere is bad when it airs, I'll say something then.  But until then, I think we all need to calm down and wait.  And if there are people that can't do that, then I suggest those people turn off the Internet and go do something for awhile until the premiere airs.

Edited March 9, 2016 by SBaby

[BalanceBrony 259]

@@SBaby,

Having misgivings and concerns doesn't mean we aren't calm. It means we are thinking about things from the perspective of what the baby can possibly be, and not many of the possibilities are desirable. What desirable outcomes are there? Outcomes that don't involve the baby being a hollow plot device, existing only to provide conflict, with no other merits to it?

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

Unfortunately however, it seems like she is just jumping in as a main character with no retcon of the stupid little montage. She's forgiven, and is now treated as a best friend to the main cast. Nonsense. And that's another reason to be concerned. the stupid redemption montage that expected us to forgive Starlight after a laughably weak motivation- yeah that's what we're getting. And then an OP baby on top of it.

A friend of mine made an interesting point about Glimmer's backstory, namely that no backstory they could've come up with would've justified her actions. The fact they went ahead and cobbled together such a lackluster backstory was just additional salt in the wound.

 

I honestly don't see the problem with Flurry Heart. This isn't the first time we've had an OP character in the show. Celestia is OP. Luna is OP. Cadence is OP. Twilight is now OP...

Don't forget Glimmer.

Edited March 10, 2016 by SiIver Spoon

[SBaby 660]

 

@@SBaby,

Having misgivings and concerns doesn't mean we aren't calm. It means we are thinking about things from the perspective of what the baby can possibly be, and not many of the possibilities are desirable. What desirable outcomes are there? Outcomes that don't involve the baby being a hollow plot device, existing only to provide conflict, with no other merits to it?

 

These largely aren't valid 'misgivings', though.  People are jumping to conclusions and overreacting, as they do every season.  The title you chose for this topic proves this fact.  People on this topic have already decided they hate this premiere and the character before we even see it.  Ergo, this is nothing more than a topic designed to bash said character and the premiere.

 

The average post here (on this topic) has been 'Oh, I can't stand her because she has powers.  I'm done with this show.'.  And this is about the third or fourth topic I've seen on this very character, with posts along these lines.  

 

Even when we didn't know that she was going to have powers, people still hated her because she was a baby and she was an Alicorn.  If she didn't have powers at all, people would still be whining about something else regarding her.  They'd be moaning about her being an Alicorn, or about the size of her eyes compared to other foals, or they would be whining about how high pitched her voice is.

Edited March 10, 2016 by SBaby

[Attack of the Pwns 894]

These types of convos happen ever time there's a new season (or a finale, for that matter)- in even the worst case scenario, I don't see Flurry Heart being in any more than 4 or 5 episodes this season, and I don't think she'll be as OP by the time we get around to the 2017 movie and/or Season 7 (if the latter happens). Fear mongering gets us nowhere, the fandom's not dying. This is the exact same scenario as A Canterlot Wedding, at its worst chock it up to Hasbro trying to sell knick-knacks to little girls, if you can find anything positive credit it to the writers, and move on.

[BalanceBrony 259]

People aren't having 'misgivings', though.  They're jumping to conclusions.  There's a difference.  People on this topic have already decided they hate this premiere and the character before we even see it.  Ergo, this is nothing more than a topic designed to bash said character.

 

The average post here has been 'Oh, I can't stand her because she has powers.  I'm done with this show.'.  And this is about the third or fourth topic I've seen on this very character, with posts along these lines.

Several have said they are waiting until the premier before they make a final decision. It is perfectly acceptable to have low expectations, and it's even more acceptable if people have logical reasons which have driven these expectations.

 

You are very much overgeneralizing here. There is an active discussion here about why we have misgivings and concerns. It's not like this is a blind OMG DIE PRINCESS FLURRY FACE! That may be the emotion many of us have. But people are offering logic and reasoning as to why we feel that way.

 

You say it's designed to "bash" as if we are making a game of trashing her, but that is not the intent at all. The intent is to offer my feelings, an explanation as to why I feel that way, and a prompt to ask others if they feel the same, and offer any reasoning they have. Many people have posted positive feedback on Flurry Heart here, and if this were truly a "bash" thread, we would have ripped at anybody who disagreed- which is not the case. This is a civil discussion exploring why the baby has a negative impact for some viewers. Nothing close to "bashing."

 

 

A friend of mine made an interesting point about Glimmer's backstory, namely that no backstory they could've come up with would've justified her actions. The fact they went ahead and cobbled together such a lackluster backstory was just additional salt in the wound.

 

Don't forget Glimmer.

In the immediate wake of Starlight Glimmer, I saw a lot of discussions that offered far more logical triggers to drive Starlight's actions. The main issue is that it was so weak and childish, making it far less relatable. The two most popular alternatives I saw were having Starlight be bullied, or be a long-term blank-flank- serving as an interesting parallel to the CMCs. But they went "My friend left omg waaaaa DESTROY CUTIE MARKS!" A childhood tantrum lasting for years.

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

In the immediate wake of Starlight Glimmer, I saw a lot of discussions that offered far more logical triggers to drive Starlight's actions. The main issue is that it was so weak and childish, making it far less relatable. The two most popular alternatives I saw were having Starlight be bullied, or be a long-term blank-flank- serving as an interesting parallel to the CMCs. But they went "My friend left omg waaaaa DESTROY CUTIE MARKS!" A childhood tantrum lasting for years.

Honestly, I don't think those would've been any better than what we got. Besides, having Starlight be the victim of bullying would make her a Babs Seed clone (yet another character that got off the hook because of their "tragic" backstory). Speaking personally, I'd have preferred it if the writers left Starlight's origins a mystery, much as they've done with Shimmer and Discord.

Edited March 10, 2016 by SiIver Spoon

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

While I don't like starlight glimmer, and I don't like sunset shimmer either, I do feel compelled to point out, in a devil's advocate kind of way, that people also hated sunset shimmer's personality in the first equestria girls movie as well, and she currently has a rather rabid fanbase due to later movies.

 

So its possible that they might manage to cobble together a 180 on who she is that makes at least *some* people like her.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

While I don't like starlight glimmer, and I don't like sunset shimmer either, I do feel compelled to point out, in a devil's advocate kind of way, that people also hated sunset shimmer's personality in the first equestria girls movie as well, and she currently has a rather rabid fanbase due to later movies.

 

So its possible that they might manage to cobble together a 180 on who she is that makes at least *some* people like her.

Yeah but the main difference (at least to me) was that Sunset was just forgotten about at the end of EQG 1, no happiness montage, no super-mega best friends pose, just her getting to work on repairing the front doors and that's it, she nearly shoved in a corner at the end of it and not paid any attention what so ever at the end of the movie. Heck even Megan McCarthy forgot about her in the first draft of Rainbow Rocks.  Compare that to Starlight who is shoved down your throat in your face for the last ten minutes of The Cutie Re-Mark.  And that makes it all the worse to me, with Sunset I just shrugged and moved on after EQG 1. With Starlight, they shilled her hard, and made a big deal out of her and so I have a lot more apprehension with something like Starlight where I am "told" to like something instead of growing to like it in a more organic way.

[Twilight Frost 271]

Her special talents include being OP, and serving as a Deus Ex Machina, MacGuffin, or other literary device.

 

Back at the first teaser, I was telling people that babies are inherently problematic in storytelling. And I have had long discussions on how this could be dealt with as best as possible. There were some paths that could have been taken that wouldn't have been as bad. But they went the path of the OP baby with uncontrollable powers. And this is bad, bad, badddd.

 

Princess Fartface is OP. She has more power than all of the other Princesses combined it seems. Which is terrible. That teaser singlehandedly made it clear that she is just going to be a walking plot device, to serve whatever purpose is needed, including being the driver of the conflict.

 

To everybody who was "hyped" what are your thoughts now that we're going to have a Fairly OddBaby-tier plot, all about this "special" baby who is OP and causes all kinds of silly accidents because she was born with great power. Are you excited now that it's clear what path the writers are taking? Do you see any way they can clear up this godawful premise? Do you actually like  the idea of an OP baby who just does whatever the story needs her to do?

 

My concerns were justified. The only thing that could make the show passable now is if Princess Plot Device doesn't do anything outside of the opener. Or if they completely get rid of her powers for good. Ways that it could be made even worse is if she becomes a Deus Ex Machina.

 

Here's the godawful promo for anyone who hasn't seen the atrocity at work.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUyslSbeJN4

 

 

 

ok, first of all. You clearly have no idea what a Deus Ex Machina is.

 

A Deus Ex Machina in literary terms is a solution to an impossibly unsolvable problem that arrives quickly and suddenly without any kind of prior introduction or build up. Flurry hearts apparent unstable problem is not a deus ex machine, it is a situational device that makes her a pseudo antagonist or a problem for the heroes to solve.

 

To your second point, how is babies a bad story telling choice? This confirms that ponies have sex, baby ponies exist, and that they live and are raised by their parents and don't automatically poof to another planet to be taken care of by aliens until they are adult ponies and then materialize on the planet again like in so many video games where children do not exist.....ever.

 

How do you know she is OP? How do you know she is more powerful than all the princesses? It is well established in many works of fiction and myth that baby magical creatures powers are unstable. All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly. Baby Cakes magic and flight powers show super pony strength and magical power and concscious control of that power with understanding and knowledge that twilight sparkle didn't have until YEARS later! and no one complained. We just accepted it as a humor plot device and moved on.

 

to your question at hand, we are just going to have to see the episode...and again. You clearly do not know what a Deus Ex Machine is.

[Koumorikichikun 62]

Yes, definitely getting "Fairly Odd Baby" vibes. Never was a fan of Fairly Odd Parents, but everyone seems to agree that the show was never the same after they shoehorned the baby into the cast.

 

Hope she isn't a recurring character. Hope the movie isn't centered around her somehow.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Koumorikichikun

[WriteCodes46 178]

I had another idea: What if Sunburst is the one who fixes Flurry Heart's mess? Maybe teaching Starlight a lesson in humility in the process?

[BalanceBrony 259]

ok, first of all. You clearly have no idea what a Deus Ex Machina is.

 

A Deus Ex Machina in literary terms is a solution to an impossibly unsolvable problem that arrives quickly and suddenly without any kind of prior introduction or build up. Flurry hearts apparent unstable problem is not a deus ex machine, it is a situational device that makes her a pseudo antagonist or a problem for the heroes to solve.

 

To your second point, how is babies a bad story telling choice? This confirms that ponies have sex, baby ponies exist, and that they live and are raised by their parents and don't automatically poof to another planet to be taken care of by aliens until they are adult ponies and then materialize on the planet again like in so many video games where children do not exist.....ever.

 

How do you know she is OP? How do you know she is more powerful than all the princesses? It is well established in many works of fiction and myth that baby magical creatures powers are unstable. All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly. Baby Cakes magic and flight powers show super pony strength and magical power and concscious control of that power with understanding and knowledge that twilight sparkle didn't have until YEARS later! and no one complained. We just accepted it as a humor plot device and moved on.

 

to your question at hand, we are just going to have to see the episode...and again. You clearly do not know what a Deus Ex Machine is.

I said if she becomes a Deus Ex Machina. Nowhere did I imply that she already was one. And her being a pseudo-antagonist because of "oops baby magic" is pretty bad too.

 

Babies have problems with them that make them easy to write badly. I've said what I mean by it several times in the thread, but in essence, a well-written baby doesn't do much. They shouldn't have waves of impact on the world around them like summoning blizzards (hint hint). They should be pushed to the side a bit, and they should just sit there being a baby. Laughing, giggling, smiling, crying, etc... And the story potential of a baby comes from how the characters react to the baby. A well-written baby is Dill pickles. He isn't "special" (hint hint) and he doesn't cause any major catastrophes (hint hint). The stories with Dill after he was added involved things like jealousy, responsibility, protecting the helpless, and so forth. These are good stories that can be done with babies. And hitting that middle ground of a good baby is hard. It's too easy to make them either unbelievable or a non-character.

 

Hopefully they still go for those story possibilities, and that would ease things a little bit. But in making her OP as heck, the writers have made a declaration that she WILL be special. That she WILL affect the world around her adversely. And when a baby is like that, they  become a major risk for lazy storywriting. In taking the step of OP baby, they have now set a precedent for the kinds of stories we might expect. OP baby causes a blizzard. OP baby farts a poison cloud. OP baby starts world war 3. Normally I wouldn't jump to such conclusions that those are the stories were going to get. And indeed, back with the first trailer, I remained neutral. But since this trailer came out, it's clear they're going to do that story at least once. And that  story, is lazy and cliched, and almost never goes well.

 

"All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly."- do you hear how this sounds? Alicorn or not, this sounds ridiculous. Besides, there are far better ways to write in a blizzard than "the baby sneezed." Also, that statement assumes that it was acceptable for the baby cakes to be as powerful as they were. As a matter of fact, several people I know didn't like that episode either. Though accidental magic is a trope and very common- I'll give you that- but accidental magic of that magnitude is pushing it. Harry Potter may poof away a window- under a lot of stress. Twilight was surprised by a loud explosion . Other cases of accidental young magic in fiction involve significant stimuli. The fact that the babies consistently flew and used magic without any prompting was pretty bad. Only now we have that, and way more excessive.

 

And that's where I, and a few others stand.

[BlinkZ 1,151]

 

"All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly."- do you hear how this sounds? Alicorn or not, this sounds ridiculous. Besides, there are far better ways to write in a blizzard than "the baby sneezed." Also, that statement assumes that it was acceptable for the baby cakes to be as powerful as they were. As a matter of fact, several people I know didn't like that episode either. Though accidental magic is a trope and very common- I'll give you that- but accidental magic of that magnitude is pushing it. Harry Potter may poof away a window- under a lot of stress. Twilight was surprised by a loud explosion . Other cases of accidental young magic in fiction involve significant stimuli. The fact that the babies consistently flew and used magic without any prompting was pretty bad. Only now we have that, and way more excessive.

 

And that's where I, and a few others stand.

IM parlty joking here but really

somepony feed the baby a bario that will solve everything. it worked in failry odd parnets. *shivers*

Okay bad joke

[SBaby 660]

These types of convos happen ever time there's a new season (or a finale, for that matter)- in even the worst case scenario, I don't see Flurry Heart being in any more than 4 or 5 episodes this season, and I don't think she'll be as OP by the time we get around to the 2017 movie and/or Season 7 (if the latter happens). Fear mongering gets us nowhere, the fandom's not dying. This is the exact same scenario as A Canterlot Wedding, at its worst chock it up to Hasbro trying to sell knick-knacks to little girls, if you can find anything positive credit it to the writers, and move on.

 

 

I think you're being generous.  I don't see her having more than 3 episodes, tops, 'devoted' to her.  I used air quotes there, because when you have a baby character, the story tends to focus more on the ones taking care of the baby, and not the baby her/himself.

 

 

 

You are very much overgeneralizing here. There is an active discussion here about why we have misgivings and concerns. It's not like this is a blind OMG DIE PRINCESS FLURRY FACE! That may be the emotion many of us have. But people are offering logic and reasoning as to why we feel that way.

 

Most of the 'discussion' here has amounted to little more than 'She has powers!  I don't like her!'.  That's not discussion.  That's character bashing.

 

And honestly, there isn't enough source material for us to even have a proper 'discussion' about this yet.  We have two promos that are little more than 30 seconds each.  The first one showed her for two seconds, and this one shows her doing one thing.  That's what these 'discussions' have to go on.  Hardly enough material to carry a proper discussion.  Certainly not enough to 'confirm' anything.

 

This is why I'm holding off on judging this until I see the premiere.  I may very well end up not liking it.  That's indeed possible.  But I might end up liking it.  I don't know yet, because it hasn't aired.

Edited March 12, 2016 by SBaby

[superdogz1999 551]

That Magic that Flurry Heart has caused may have something to do with Magic Surges that always happen with baby ponies, as we noticed with Pumpkin Cake back in Season 2.

Also overpowering the ponies has made Hasbro go way too far.

[cider float 2,539]

Not looking at that promo but would be cool if Flurry Heart becomes evil that would make my day.

[Roughshod 721]

I've been a fan of this show long enough not to jump to conclusions too quickly or freak out over promotions and story arcs. I can think of a few better ways to start season six than this, but I understand the obligation the writers have to the almighty marketing division of Hasbro.

[@lpha 41]

These people here having in depth conversation debate, and here I am, thinking "lol her name is Flurry and she made a flurry"

 

Have fun building your text walls, I'm out

 

(I for one am remaining optimistic about the new season)