Queen Chrysalis: Truly evil or just misunderstood?

[Castle Bleck 19,363]

@Zhortac,

 

Yeah.

 

Remember this?

 

 

I doubt he actually dropped them; he likely just wanted to see how they'd react.

 

But Sombra?

 

 

More...explicit, ain't it?

Edited February 24, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac, @,

Dangling someone over fire and then pulling them back up, just so you can rub in 

"Just kidding" 

is torture. Discord was violating people's minds and I'm sure at least some people were killed in his chaos, consider a lamp falling on someone's head

[Zhortac 1,474]

But he never did anything like that, in the two episodes I've seen him in. I bet Celestia is just being a drama queen.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

The same Celestia who considered Sombra a test was getting worried and agitated about Discord. In her mind, Discord is far more dangerous.

 

As for violating the mind, brain-washing falls under that 

[SomariFeyWright 776]

Here we go again.

 

The headcanons that darken everything more than it actually is.

 

 

Alright, let me explain you a thing.

 

Now, the idea that Chrysalis isn't exactly pure evil is possible. See, I get it. Feeding off of love... it clearly isn't something you can just walk in and ask for. To this degree, I understand their issues.

 

But to say that Chrysalis isn't evil; to say she's simply misunderstood; that's where I draw the line. Chrysalis sabotaged a wedding. She took down the Princess. She raided the entire royal city tying up innocent citizens. And DARE I mention the infamous altar scene?

 

She did evil things. She committed immoral and inconsiderate acts. She bragged, she boasted, she made no attempt to be sympathetic or caring. She spent the entire time rubbing in and loving her victory.

 

Say what you want about her basic motives, she was clearly enjoying what she was doing.

 

She's evil, no second guesses.

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Sorry for bumping the thread but. I Have just realized something. Changelings need love to survive. Without love they will die. And I was weeping about this thought yesterday. I have just realized that there are four kingdoms. Each with different ideals. Who are not yet at war with each other. Chrysalis cannot laugh normally. Even if she is, it will still sound like an evil laugh. Also, some Fridge Brilliance here. The reason why Shining Armour was angry at twilight was because the love was already being sucked out of him. And he was getting rather depressed as a result. As I said. There could be a massive Game of Thrones-esque war between these four.

 

 

Ponies: Consider that Friendship is what drives them. And want to just have peace.

Griffons: Want to use violence as a force. Are increasingly agitated and violent.

Dragons: Greed Induced scum who want to extort the money out of Equestria.

Changelings: They need to feed on love.

 

This is an issue in the real world, even today. Hitler wanted Eugenics to Rule. But Churchill wanted peace. Bin Laden wanted religion to reign supreme. Ghadaffi just wanted to abuse his power. It is no wonder that eventually Equestria will be landlocked in a battle for supremacy between other continents.

 

 

The Moral Is. There is room for just one. But I do not like it at all.

Here we go again.

 

The headcanons that darken everything more than it actually is.

 

 

Alright, let me explain you a thing.

 

Now, the idea that Chrysalis isn't exactly pure evil is possible. See, I get it. Feeding off of love... it clearly isn't something you can just walk in and ask for. To this degree, I understand their issues.

 

But to say that Chrysalis isn't evil; to say she's simply misunderstood; that's where I draw the line. Chrysalis sabotaged a wedding. She took down the Princess. She raided the entire royal city tying up innocent citizens. And DARE I mention the infamous altar scene?

 

She did evil things. She committed immoral and inconsiderate acts. She bragged, she boasted, she made no attempt to be sympathetic or caring. She spent the entire time rubbing in and loving her victory.

 

Say what you want about her basic motives, she was clearly enjoying what she was doing.

 

She's evil, no second guesses.

 

That is not the case. The reason why she was like that was she was so desperate that only physical force could be the answer. This is the same case in war. Winston Churchill never got away without unintentionally murdering children.

Edited August 4, 2014 by 41Hornet

[Celli 4,338]

I think she's truly evil. I mean, a Changeling doesn't strike me as something with a tragic past or anything like that.

[Deathstroke 1,564]

misunderstood, why? probably the changelings were hungry and they feed on love so the queen toke it as a responsibility to feed her subjects 

[Unikitty 1,212]

To me, it's always looked like a warped sense of good. She needed to find food for her changelings(an entire community, just like the ponies). She was desperate, and all that ended up mattering was that she feed her family. In the end, she had little else to go but to where the ponies were.
I wouldn't say that her actions were good, but they were a far cry from evil - especially when you consider how difficult it would be to find that type of food.

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

Chrysalis's aim in taking over Equestria was NOT only to feed the Changelings, she says so herself.

 

"Right you are, Princess. And as Queen of the Changelings, it is up to me to find food for my subjects." Which is fine, supports the idea that she wants to feed her race, understandable. But she follows that with this: "Equestria has more love than any place I've ever encountered. My fellow Changelings will be able to devour so much of it that we will gain more power than we have ever dreamed of!"

 

So she aimed for Equestria, not only because it will feed her race, but also because it will increase their power. So while the first half of her intent may be excusable, the second half certainly isn't, so she's still evil.

 

Besides, would you let a vampire drain the blood from everyone you know to feed their vampire babies? It would still be considered evil, because it's not your choice, it's being forced on you.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Sunny Fox

[The Crimson Cross 7,532]

Chrysalis is truly evil I'd have to say, though that's not to say she's not doing her best for her loyal changeling subjects.

When you start targeting sentient species as "food" then you're encountering something evil right there.

 

I suppose this is why cannibalism is looked down upon by most cultures.

[BastementSparkle 20,326]

I'm not sure I can call her truly evil. For a character to be truly evil in my eyes, there must be no possibility for any goodness in them. They must be completely cruel and malicious with no care or regard to anything around them that doesn't benefit them in someway. They must completely lack the ability to care for others.

 

 It's possible Chrysalis fits this definition, but I don't think she does. Changelings feed off love, and it's possible they may even need it just to live. In that case then it's possible the attack on Canterlot was out of desperation to feed her subjects. Remember in "This Day Aria" when Chrysalis states she does not love Shining because there is no room in her heart? What if she meant that all of her love was reserved for her subjects?

 

 I'm not saying she was right to do what she did. She wasn't. And I'm not saying that there wasn't any malicious or cruel intentions in her mind, or that she didn't enjoy it. She very well might have. But if she truly does love her subjects and wants to help and care for them, then can she be called truly evil? If she has care and concern for others and a drive to protect them, then is she really beyond all redemption? I don't think so.

Edited August 4, 2014 by BasementPrincess

[Sceethe 704]

"the truth is i dont care for him at all"

 

"no,i do not love the groom,in my heart there is no room"

 

yeaaaah about that....

 

but your theory makes sense for the most part ,i dont think she is truly evil,more than anything she is just looking for a way to feed her brood.

it is perfectly reasonable to see other species as inferior with that mindset

[Hive King 2,001]

To everyone saying Changelings need love to survive, this is untrue. Love is a steroid to them, not a necessity. Notice how Cadence says

"They gain power by feeding off your love for them"

 

Instead of saying

"They eat by feeding off your love for them"

 

Also, even if they needed love to survive, Chrysalis's sadism is unexcusable. She leaves a pony to starve, taunts someone with the knowledge that their brother is screwed, and was smiling as she saw ponies suffering

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

Oh, she's evil, that can't be denied.

 

It's not that they need love; it's just what gives them more power. I'm sure they can feed on other emotions, but I doubt anything other than love will give them more power.

 

Granted I could be wrong on that mark.

 

As for Chrysalis herself, you can tell she absolutely enjoyed bringing terror to the citizens of Canterlot. Add in her tase for revenge in the comics, then I think it is undeniable that she was evil.

 

Granted she wasn't that smart in the show, but meh.

[Everleaf 541]

Yes misunderstood but made the wrong choice (much like Nightmare Moon) and planned to take over all of Equestria which was a terrible choice along with imprisoning Twilight and almost killing all of pony kind...

 

 

However I see it as she felt it was the best way to feed her kind and so she did it if she did not? She would die along with all her kind although the way she did it was wrong she did it mainly for food so I see her misunderstood however like on the status of Nightmare moon made the wrong choice

 

she IS partly evil though as Cadence stated that they (gain power) from feeding on ponies love however I still see them also feeding on love not just gaining power yes maybe they could feed on other emotions but we don't no so for now I will say she is mainly misunderstood however made a terrible choice.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Everleaf

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Not only is she evil she relishes in it. Every line of her part of the song and her part in the story in general says "muahahaha I am the antagonist."

 

And that is ok, sometimes people are like that and you have stand up to them. I am all for delving deeper into characters though. I wouldn't mind seeing an episode where her people are in danger and the main six helps them and she goes all "but I was such an evil antagonist last time I don't understand"

[Vemillia Nightshade 2,247]

I say she is evil, but also a bit misunderstood as well. I think of it this way. Think of the hive's perspective on this. All the changelings follow Queen Chrysalis as the hive mother. They follow her orders without question. What Chrysalis wants is love, as is how the race thrives. In small doses, that is rather non-threatening. In the matter of a large scale invasion (IE. The Royal Wedding episode), she and her hive could be perceived as evil. Especially with the force entrapment of all the ponies in Canterlot. They relish the entrapment and suffering but also use what Queen Chrysalis gives them as far as love. They are powerless without love to consume. They chose to invade Canterlot and it's castle due to the high scale love there and across Equestria. It's more or less survival for them if anything, just like what the ponies of that word use in resources to survive.

[Megas 27,653]

Chrysalis? Misunderstood? Yeeeeeaaaaaah no.

 

She's pretty full-blown evil

[Vemillia Nightshade 2,247]

Full blown? Maybe, maybe not. Look, I'm just giving my honest opinion on the issue. I'm sure you have your reasons for believing she is full blown evil. While I will disagree, I will not deny that she did have villainous tendencies.

[ShadowPirateX 600]

I believe she's somewhat in the middle. She did both good things and bad things. Mostly bad, tough. Feeding her kind was a good intention, but her actions for completing that intention was not.

That said, I think she'd make a decent anti-hero or anti-villain.

[SomariFeyWright 776]

That is not the case. The reason why she was like that was she was so desperate that only physical force could be the answer. This is the same case in war. Winston Churchill never got away without unintentionally murdering children.

Unintentionally. Right.

 

Because she "unintentionally" sabotaged a wedding. She "unintentionally" used magic to throw Twilight into a seemingly inescapable cavern and retracted all hope. She "unintentionally" laughed in maniachal glee as her plans were succeeding and she was coming out on top.

 

Feel free to say she has understandable motives and was acting out of desperation to protect her kind, but don't tell me that she and her race are just "misunderstood". She was wrong. Morally incorrect. Evil. EVIL. There is nothing about any of her actions that can simply be waved off as " misunderstood". She held hostages. She brainwashed an entire kingdom. NOTHING she did was good.

 

NOTHING.

Edited August 5, 2014 by SomariFeyWright

[ScarfaceOne 263]

I Have just realized something. Chrysalis's Strategy did not work because it was poorly planned(Well, greatly planned at first, but then it went poorly planned with the changeling army). Because the changeling army were weak mooks who basically were unintelligent by the fact that they did not individually clone at 6 a limit. Because there was so many of them, it was actually poorly planned because the real one would be among them and they would not know who the real one is. In every Time Crisis game, the big bad has a poorly planned strategy. Sherudo kidnapping the daughter. But because of the Mane 6 and VSSE. These enemies are easily beaten. If they planned out more thoroughly, and knew of the threat. They would easily win.

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Narp, get yer greasy reformation tentacles off mah favorite villain of MLP!

 

She's is evil.

Sure, she's doing it for her people, but she doesn't hesitate to potentially enslave Equestria in it's entirety to support them.

 

If it.wasn't for.Twilight being Twilight, god knows what could've happened.

I.guarantee you it wouldn't have been friendship, I tell.You h'what

 

AT MOST...she's lawful evil.

And that's a stretch.

[Queen Chryssie 75]

It is quite obvious she is doing something to negatively harm/drain the other ponies that is not avoidable. Although she really has no choice the way I see it. The thing is she invaded to feed off of love for her and the changelings. The justification here is that love is her food source. Without it her and her changelings would most likely starve. Therefore she does whatever she needs to so that her and her changelings can go on. -My look on the matter.