S04:E25+26 - Twilight's Kingdom

[Chaton 3,765]

Tirek got wrecked. Enough said.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Vinyl Scratchy DJ

[SteamyPancakes 29]

I really enjoyed the last 2 episodes of s4. I liked the fact that they added a new villain and didn't just make it so discord became evil again by himself. It was cool how discord learned how important friendship really was. It would've been cool if tireks brother was in the episode but whatever. It was a great finale.

[Knight Hadron 372]

Why Tirek with Discord magic couldn't defeat Twilight? Discord is crearly more powerful than all alicorns together but suddenly Tirek with only the magic of earth, unicorn and pegasus ponies was able to steal all his powers. It doesn't make sense at all how Twlight could stand against him,I like to think that everything was planned by Celestia and Discord from the beginning(since most time of the show Celestia let Twilight solve all the problem like if she has a bigger destiny and they are preparing her). I thought that the spirit of Chaos and disharmony was the strongest force in Equestria after the "magic of friendship"  What do you think? Am I overrating him a little bit? 

That's kinda what I was wondering. Let me put it this way: Discord was too shocked perhaps by Tirek turning against him that he couldn't fight back, but why didn't Tirek win against Twilight? Tirek didn't hold Twilight and drain her magic at the start. It seemed like Tirek was "testing" Twilight's power or something, after the shock of seeing a fourth princess. Or Tirek was scared of Twilight's magic and was keeping her on the defensive? What about when Twilight bumbs into Tirek's leg at the begining? Couldn't Tirek steal magic then? Too many questions. It seemed like it was already going to be a stalemate from the start, just so Twilight could get her friends back. I think a more epic way would be for Twilight to force Tirek into submission and release her friends, but then the friendship power wouldn't be needed to vanquish Tirek. In conclusion, it just had to happen that way for the plot to work, regardeless of the magical strengths of the two fighters.

[Luffyiscool 397]

why didn't Tirek win against Twilight? 

Because like he said, their strength was equal. They were at an impasse.

People seem to forget that Discord's strength isn't in his raw magical power, it's what he does with the magic itself.

Discord terrorizes ponies because his kind of magic can't be defended against, as it's used to whimsically change things around in the name of chaos.

It's not, however, the kind of magic used to blast at ponies as a damaging beam. Function and power are two different things.

 

So there really is no accurate gauge for how much Tirek's "damage" ability should have been boosted by Discord's magic when compared to the magic of 4 combined alicorns. 

 

 

What about when Twilight bumbs into Tirek's leg at the begining? Couldn't Tirek steal magic then?

 

 

He tried to. He said "you're going to give me what I want" and then immediately opened his mouth to start sucking her energy. Twilight escaped by Teleporting.

 

 

It seemed like Tirek was "testing" Twilight's power or something

I disagree, it was clear that he was going all out from the moment he smashed her through a mountain.

Twilight was doing pretty well too. She had Tirek on the defensive at times, such was the ferocity of her charge.

She desperately wanted to kick Tirek's ass, and it showed with how she slammed him down with such force in midair. 

 

All in all, it was a well fought even contest. I don't see any issues with the power levels, as you can explain any discrepancies within believable boundaries.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Luffyiscool

[Knight Hadron 372]

Because like he said, their strength was equal. They were at an impasse.

People seem to forget that Discord's strength isn't in his raw magical power, it's what he does with the magic itself.

Discord terrorizes ponies because his kind of magic can't be defended against, as it's used to whimsically change things around in the name of chaos.

It's not, however, the kind of magic used to blast at ponies as a damaging beam. Function and power are two different things.

 

So there really is no accurate gauge for how much Tirek's "damage" ability should have been boosted by Discord's magic when compared to the magic of 4 combined alicorns. 

 

 

 

 

He tried to. He said "you're going to give me what I want" and then immediately opened his mouth to start sucking her energy. Twilight escaped by Teleporting.

 

 

I disagree, it was clear that he was going all out from the moment he smashed her through a mountain.

Twilight was doing pretty well too. She had Tirek on the defensive at times, such was the ferocity of her charge.

She desperately wanted to kick Tirek's ass, and it showed with how she slammed him down with such force in midair. 

 

All in all, it was a well fought even contest. I don't see any issues with the power levels, as you can explain any discrepancies within believable boundaries.

First point, I understand what you're saying. However, I still can think of a few ways to explain it a different way, although those ways are weaker in form.

 

Next 2 points, the main thing here that you're saying is that Tirek had to dominate Twilight before sucking magic out of her, or else....what would happen? Is magic transfer stoppable by Twilight's own magic? Also, at the first scene with Twilight sending a magic ray at Tirek, and Tirek had put up a magical shield and was pushed backwards, it looked like Twilight was more powerful magic-wise.

[Luffyiscool 397]

 the main thing here that you're saying is that Tirek had to dominate Twilight before sucking magic out of her, or else....what would happen? Is magic transfer stoppable by Twilight's own magic?

I didn't say he had to dominate her though?

I was just saying i disagree that he was going easy on her or "testing" her power. 

 

She was attacking him, so he probably thought "I'll teach this pony not to mess with me, let's beat the tar outta her."

This mind set was then abandoned when he realized they were equal, and he switched to threatening her friends to make her surrender.

 

 

Also, at the first scene with Twilight sending a magic ray at Tirek, and Tirek had put up a magical shield and was pushed backwards, it looked like Twilight was more powerful magic-wise.

Then Tirek sent a beam towards Twilight, which forced her to put her own shield up. Unable to force through his beam, she teleported under it. 

Edited March 25, 2015 by Luffyiscool

[Knight Hadron 372]

Sorry, you didn't say directly that he had to dominate her. I was just implying what I thought you meant OR I was using "what you're saying" as a question, like "is this what you meant?" I had a question mark at the end of my sentance, so I think I was meaning the second option I just said.

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

Felt like an empty conclusion to me, Twilight is known for her wits and friends she has made along the way; not for brute force. This destroyed the purpose of this battle, plus moving to the tree house was a bad move. She knew where Tirek was, so its her fault it happened. She should be blaming herself for that blunder, not Tirek.

[Knight Hadron 372]

Felt like an empty conclusion to me, Twilight is known for her wits and friends she has made along the way; not for brute force. This destroyed the purpose of this battle, plus moving to the tree house was a bad move. She knew where Tirek was, so its her fault it happened. She should be blaming herself for that blunder, not Tirek.

I never thought of the library destruction that way. Another thing to bring up, is she had COMPLETE control over her alicorn magic when the battle took place, but it was wildly out of control a second before. Huh?

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

I never thought of the library destruction that way. Another thing to bring up, is she had COMPLETE control over her alicorn magic when the battle took place, but it was wildly out of control a second before. Huh?

Yeah it was. And Tirek saying they are at an impass was incorrect, as he had all the bargaining chips in his hands. 

[Knight Hadron 372]

Yeah it was. And Tirek saying they are at an impass was incorrect, as he had all the bargaining chips in his hands. 

What was what?

 

And, Tirek was correct. Twilight had shown to have superior magical powers, and Tirek could not get what he wanted. Therefore, he stopped the battle and offered to do a trade. Think of it like any war ceasefire.

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

He didn't need to fight with her, he could have done just that and it would be over. I didn't really see the need to do a fight, it felt pointless. The trade pretty much shatters the impass remark, so...

Edited March 28, 2015 by Candy Star

[Luffyiscool 397]

Twilight is known for her wits and friends she has made along the way; not for brute force.

 

But brute force proved to be fruitless, as she couldn't win. 

Friendship was still the thing that saved the day.

 

 

plus moving to the tree house was a bad move. She knew where Tirek was, so its her fault it happened.

It's not unreasonable that she did what she did (teleporting home and then trying to locate Tirek with her telescope.)

She thought she'd already put some good distance between them. But unfortunately for her, Tirek shot an energy blast at her. 

Plus, when facing down the barrel of a gun, let's see how logically you think in the 2 friggin seconds you have to react.

 

 

She should be blaming herself for that blunder, not Tirek.

Whoever the blame should've gone to, we know that her rage was because the library meant a hell of a lot to her. 

It wouldn't have made any difference, she'd have been angry either way. And who better to vent your anger towards than the villain who's chasing you?

 

 

Another thing to bring up, is she had COMPLETE control over her alicorn magic when the battle took place, but it was wildly out of control a second before. Huh?

She didn't have complete control, she was just cutting loose.

 

Before, she was trying to hold everything in. She was like a blocked pipe that was swelling with water.

But after becoming enraged, she was like an open faucet. She just let it all go, blasting it in the direction of Tirek. 

Plus, there's the whole 'Hero goes nuts and whoops some ass when truly angry' cliche. Most of it is down to fan interpretation anyway.

 

 

I didn't really see the need to do a fight, it felt pointless.

It was done to give the fans a badass action moment, to do something mlp isn't all that known for. To help break down barriers even more.

First and foremost, people watch cartoons to be entertained. That fight was awesome, and certainly entertaining. 

It does come down to personal preference though, so you may disagree.

 

EDIT: Also, Tirek thought he could beat Twilight at her own game by attacking her with his brute strength, but that didn't work. 

That's why he said they were at an impasse, he was talking about their strength. The trade has nothing to do with the impasse, because there's a contextual difference to his words.

 

Edited March 28, 2015 by Luffyiscool

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

But brute force proved to be fruitless, as she couldn't win. 

Friendship was still the thing that saved the day.

 

 

Twilight didn't know that Tirek could fire energy beams, just that he could suck magic. 

It's not unreasonable that she did what she did (teleporting home and then trying to locate Tirek with her telescope.)

She thought she'd already put some good distance between them. But unfortunately for her, Tirek shot an energy blast at her. 

 

 

Whoever the blame should've gone to, we know that her rage was because the library meant a hell of a lot to her. 

It wouldn't have made any difference, she'd have been angry either way. And who better to vent your anger towards than the villain who's chasing you?

 

 

She didn't have complete control, she was just cutting loose.

 

Before, she was trying to hold everything in. She was like a blocked pipe that was swelling with water.

But after becoming enraged, she was like an open faucet. She just let it all go, blasting it in the direction of Tirek. 

Plus, there's the whole 'Hero goes nuts and whoops some ass when truly angry' cliche. Most of it is down to fan interpretation anyway.

 

 

It was done to give the fans a badass action moment, to do something mlp isn't all that known for. To help break down barriers even more.

First and foremost, people watch cartoons to be entertained. That fight was awesome, and certainly entertaining. 

It does come down to personal preference though, so you may disagree.

 

EDIT: Also, Tirek thought he could beat Twilight at her own game by attacking her with his brute strength, but that didn't work. 

That's why he said they were at an impasse, he was talking about their strength. The trade has nothing to do with the impasse, because there's a contextual difference to his words.

 

I suppose so, but i'm not sure if i liked it or not, I just have mixed feelings about it.

[Luffyiscool 397]

And that's fine, we all have our opinions after all.
Just thought I'd offer my thoughts to see if I could offer my explanation of certain things

[Knight Hadron 372]

Just thought I'd offer my thoughts to see if I could offer my explanation of certain things

You did that very well I still slightly disagree with the cutting loose comment. She couldn't control teleportation then teleported to the library? Huh? But, the energy blasts do make sense with your theory. Also, Twilight was literally buzzing with magic before, so I see where you get your "holding it in" type approach.

[Chewbroccali 32]

Personally I didn't like the look of Twilight's castle. I thought that a gigantic crystal monstrosity poking out of the quiet calmness of ponieville just doesn't look right. I dont know about anyone else but thats just how I feel 

[simba86 1,541]

I think they over did it with all the rainbow power magic, I mean they transform and they have more hair than body with all the crazy color streaks and marks all over their bodies, I don't like the way they look at all, they went way to bold and gaudy for it to look cool. it just looks terrible and does not even look like it fits with the show

that aside it was an awesome episode

[Radiance64 7,053]

Rewatched this finale recently...

I honestly don't know how they're going to top it, but I hope they do- MLP:FiM doesn't get much better than this.

[Drunk Not I Am 1,070]

This has been my favorite episode so far, Everyhting comes to a head in a final battle but it was a little over done with the rainbow power, i prefer the good Ol' elements of harmony myself. 

[Juggerpony 92]

I must say, best episode in the whole season! From the intense build up to the final battle climax, I was entertained all the way through! Granted there were a few screw-ups (I did not like the pony designs given from the Deus-ex-BOXina), but those could be easily overlooked. In fact, in  honor of Season 5 airing tomorrow, I am going to write a blog on this episode!

[simba86 1,541]

so i guess this means that when the ponies get their rainbow power then they are more powerful than all the magic in all of equestria? 

[Juggerpony 92]

so i guess this means that when the ponies get their rainbow power then they are more powerful than all the magic in all of equestria? 

I...... guess so? Man, Celestia needs to take care of that. Her pupil suddenly has (had) the power to overthrow her, Luna, Cadence, and everyone else in Equestria at the same time.

Rewatched this finale recently...

I honestly don't know how they're going to top it, but I hope they do- MLP:FiM doesn't get much better than this.

I dont know..... I guess we shall see tomorrow!

[The Awesome One 1,315]

This episode was alright and the whole of Season 4 wasn't so bad either but it just doesn't have the magic of the first two seasons that got me hooked on this show. It's almost gotten boring to watch My Little Pony now. Hope the new season is better than this.

[Will Guide 21,360]

I know someone must have already made this shout-out quote, but....

 

 

 

 

You Maniac! You blew it up! Banishment! Banishment back to Tartarus