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    • *bored to death at Twilight's school desk* "Sure. Fun." (I dislike it.)
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Something something Rainbow Dash Torture Porn.

I mean, at least it's torture porn that goes towards developing Rainbow Dash's past. I mean, the relationship between Rainbow Dash and her parents, as presented, and in context, is really, really messed up, but it's a backstory, which is something we don't have much of for Dash. And it's good that this event clears the air that had apparently been so clouded between Dash and her parents. Rainbow learns the context behind her parents' actions, and they learn just how much of a gulf their exuberance has quietly created between themselves and their only daughter. The healing of this gap happens pretty quickly in this episode, but we don't have years and years ahead of us for implicit trust to be rebuilt.

Now, you may ask, is it really that bad? My reply is, kinda. Yeah. When Scootaloo says that Rainbow Dash's confidence comes from her parents, I feel like the evaluation belies that fact that Rainbow Dash has dealt with crippling performance anxiety, and is characterized by false bravado in the face of uncertainty. Rainbow Dash is capable of quite a bit, but because, since her foalhood, every damn thing she does has been the best thing her parents have ever seen, she has no metric for achievement that's grounded in reality, and so she's never quite sure if what she's doing is good enough.

The thing is, there's a difference between praising achievement and praising effort. The latter will reward the act itself, and thus will encourage more effort. However, the former will really only encourage achievement, and counter-intuitively, children who are consistently rewarded for achievement are less likely to try again, lest they fail to meet or exceed the last standard they met. It's a wonder Rainbow Dash stuck with racing and stunt-flying as long as she did, although I have my suspicions as to why. It is important to take note that, yes, Rainbow Dash felt humiliated when her parents praised her for doing poorly, but it's also important to understand why: she knew that she hadn't earned it. And when it continued as she began to perform better and better, she began to understand that it really was all meaningless. And even when she emulated the effect in her adult life with her chest-puffing to mask her anxieties, it was clear that it was entirely false. In her view, she had no idea whether she could maintain the standard or not, and the higher the stakes, the less it really helped. Rainbow Dash not only felt ostracized by the unclear metric for success her parents provided her with, but never really learned how to evaluate herself, either.

On the other hand, Rainbow Dash never confronted her parents about it, because they apparently never established a line of communication with her about her feelings based on trust. This, too, kind of messed her up for life. Another major trait of Rainbow Dash is that she has the emotional IQ of a damp stone, and is even worse about communicating her emotions clearly. Now we know why. Her parents apparently never stopped to ask her, "Dashie, does it bother you when we do the biggest fan routine for every little thing we do?" In fact, they must not have asked her about her feelings much at all, because she clearly didn't feel that she could trust them with her feelings at all. Like she said, "my parents and I have a delicate relationship." Relationships with open lines of communication based on trust are typically not delicate ones. So we this healthy relationship where Rainbow reinforces her parents' humiliating behavior because she doesn't know how to tell them that it upsets her.

You know what's most insane about this? I think that not telling her parents about her successes was one of the greatest things that happened to Rainbow! Think about it. When we first met her, what was her job? Middle management in the municipal service? The Equestrian equivalent of a garbage truck driver? I have nothing but respect for the hard work our municipal service members do every day, and they probably deserve a lot more pay for what they do, but it's not stunt flying; not by any stretch of the imagination. The inflection point for Rainbow Dash's life, when she begins her trajectory towards achieving her lifelong dream, is the moment Twilight Sparkle unites the Mane Six, and provides a support network based on trust and honesty. Rainbows friends provide her with a meter stick for success. When she fails, they acknowledge the failure and comfort her, and when she succeeds, they recognize her accomplishments. In either case, they applaud her for her efforts above all. They also hold her accountable for the mean things she does, and thank her for the kind things she does. It is with this support network, and explicitly without her parents, that Rainbow Dash changes from her spiral into an unfulfilling life, to her meteoric rise to achieve her dream. In that context, yes, there is definitely a reason Rainbow didn't tell her parents she's a Wonderbolt: they're the reason she damn near didn't become one.

My hope is that the benefit to Rainbow's relationship with her parents after the events of this episode is twofold: One, I hope that they tone down the incessant cheerleading, and let Rainbow set the boundary of, "okay, now you can be happy for me, but otherwise, just give me a withers to cry on." Two, I hope that the drama of the episode's third act has shattered the obstructions to communication between Rainbow and her parents, so that she can openly tell them to give her space. Ultimately, this episode comes from a critical event in every person's coming-of-age never having occurred for Rainbow: the moment where the parents realize their kid is an independent adult, and when the child realizes their parents are unique human beings who cannot read their child's mind, and who can totally be in the wrong in the relationship. As delayed as it is, I think this episode qualifies as this coming-of-age event. So I hope it is treated as such in future Rainbow episodes.

Also, poor Cheerilee.

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Gooooood afternoon everypony, and welcome back to another edition of "Batbrony Reviews"!!!  Well... right now, I don't know what else to say but this...

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Why is that?  Well, that's the first word that comes to mind regarding the latest episode of MLP to premiere in the U.S., "Parental Glideance."  This episode simply had it all, every single thing that I could possibly love about a single episode of MLP rolled into one.  It was just a delightful, perfect 22 minutes of television, and to understand why, we need to dive into what makes an episode like this so very remarkable.  This is gonna be one hell of a review ya'll, so without wasting anymore time or dawdling about, let's dive right in.  This is "Parental Glideance."

The 'It' Factors: Why This Episode Soars

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(1) Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles

Alright, so since at least Season 2 the fandom has been begging, and I do mean BEGGING, to see more of the Mane 6's parents, and to date our desire to see more of their parents has never been quite sated.  The closest we've come to doing so has been in some of Pinkie Pie's episodes featuring her family, including her parents (which I love since we usually get to see them in a more normal setting, even if Pinkie is usually there for special get-togethers) and Fluttershy's parents in "Flutter Brutter" (again, another very good appearance because we got to see her parents in their home, learn that they were retired, and the conflict was even centered around Fluttershy helping them get Zephyr Breeze out of the house).  That said, up until today we had never had an episode entirely centered around one of the Mane 6's parents themselves from start to finish, and our hunger for such an episode remained unsated.  After "Parental Glideance," however... well, if anything I want more episodes like this even more now, but I will admit that my hunger for an episode centered around a Mane 6 character's parents has been temporarily sated, at least. ;)

This episode introduced us almost immediately to none other than Rainbow Dash's parents, Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles (surprisingly distinct names when I think myself and many others in the fandom were long worried that their names would be rainbow-related as well in some fashion).  How were they?  The first word that comes to mind is delight, as in they were absolutely a delight!  These two are the walking, talking, living, breathing definition of "superfan parent."  Aside from a very hilarious gag at the beginning of the episode about how confused they both were by Scootaloo's shrieks of fangirling, Bow and Windy spent most of the episode just showing how much they adore their daughter in every single way possible, and probably also ways you never thought possible.  You wanna know what the most incredible part of it all was?  IT WORKED HERE!  The superfan parent, like so many other things in MLP, is not a concept that they invented or pulled out of a hat, this is something one encounters in both real life and popular media.  In both settings, superfan parents can very often, easily be insufferable, especially as characters, and it's easy to see why.  Superfan parents are by definition an extreme, and almost always when depicted in media operate in extremes; thus, here's how they usually get bucked up, (1) the parents come across to the audience as genuinely annoying when they're not supposed to, thereby undercutting anything that's supposed to be endearing about them, (2) the child or children of the superfan parents come off as overreacting to their parents love and adoration, thereby undercutting any degree to which we're supposed to sympathize with their exasperation at their parents behavior, or (3) the child and parents are both Flanderized and given the Mary Sue/Gary Stu treatment, meaning the child accepts the parents over-the-top behavior as perfectly normal and they and the parents get along in complete harmony, and we as the audience are supposed to enjoy this dynamic, when to the audience it simply seems that the parents live only for the child alone and all parties in the family are unrealistically perfect, if not downright obnoxious, in how much they love each other.  All three of these scenarios are failures of this trope that it is very easy for it to fall into, because, as I said, it does inherently require extreme behavior to some extent from the parents.  So while the failures are understandable, when they happen, they nonetheless make the superfan parent a trope that is all too easily more often than not an annoying one.

This was, I am pleased to say, not the case in the slightest in this episode.  Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles, despite being superfan parents in every sense of the word, despite having multiple rooms dedicated to their daughter (presumably an only child, but not yet officially confirmed, but c'mon, until I hear otherwise, I am assuming that RD is an only child), about a million types of cheers prepared for her and situations in which to cheer her on, and even a framed diaper of hers, never really came off as that annoying.  Oh don't get me wrong, you could understand at points why they were being too much for RD to handle, but that is required for the superfan parent trope to work.  It ensured that they did not just come off as a Mary Sue and Gary Stu, but instead as fallible parents prone to embarrassing their daughter in the course of showing how much they love her, as any parent should be. ^_^  That was really the secret to making them so likable.  Most other ponies, including RD and her Wonderbolt teammates, were aware that her parents were being a bit much, but besides RD almost everypony else took it in stride because they knew it was just a couple of parents loving their daughter.  These little interactions made it easier for us to accept their behavior as endearing; none of it was really causing any issues for RD, it's not like she was being threatened with losing her spot on the Wonderbolts (I can distinctly recall a number of times where the superfan parent trope has led to a situation where the child of the parents is threatened with losing their job or some other BS if their parents don't tone it down), the worst they did was go a little overboard in their praise for Rainbow Dash (the towel-hanging cheer was too much even for me) and do a couple of not-so-safe things like shoot fireworks at her show.

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Awwwwwwww, look how much they love watching their daughter!  SUPERFAN PARENTS ALL THE WAY!!!

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OK guys, that's enough, don't wanna get too excited now do we?

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C'mon guys, cut it- OH BUCK, THAT'S A FIREWORK CANNON, YUP, THAT'S A CANNON THAT IS FLINGING FIREWORKS, HOW DID YOU EVEN GET THAT IN HERE PAST SECURITY YOU CRAZY BUCKS!!! :love:

Overall, however, my biggest takeaway from these two was just what a good thing their love for their daughter was.  Really, I mean it.  That's really the secret to making the superfan parent trope work as a whole; they need to seem both real, even fallible and embarrassing, but when all is said and done their love for their child must both be at the core of who they are as characters and a likable quality, even if it's a bit much at times.  That's what I got from start to finish here with these two.  They lived and breathed RD, but not in a way that was harmful to their own well-being or their daughter's.  Every fiber of their being was devoted to helping their daughter become the best pony she could be, letting her know that she was the best pony she could possibly be in their eyes no matter what she did, and letting as many ponies know as possible just how much they love their daughter.  It didn't come off as coddling, or overbearing, or their only character trait whatsoever.  From the little we gathered about the two of them at the start of their episode, they lead their own lives and RD is NOT their only pastime or hobby; Bow came off as perfectly normal when he was *snickers* mowing their cloud lawn at the start of the episode (speaking of which, I just realized he almost pushed the mower into Scootaloo's head... thankfully it was just an old fashioned push mower, otherwise I would've been more concerned about her safety), and Windy seems to have some kind of obsession with Princess Celestia based on her collection of both Princess Celestia commemorative plates and some kind of Princess Celestia figurines in the background.  But the love they have for their daughter is still a core of their character and who they are, but here it simply worked all the way through.  Sure they generally behaved in a manner that varied between energetic and highly kinetic to downright frantic, but that worked because they're Rainbow Dash's parents and she's acted the same way plenty of times.  The fact that they were like little schoolfillies whenever they talked about their daughter was downright adorable, and their cheering segments were some of the funniest parts of the entire episode.  Heck, it was so endearing that I found myself even wanting what they have, in a general sense; that kind of unhinged, unmitigated, unconditional love that only a parent could feel for their children in such indescribably wonderful ways, and hey, I'm very much hoping I do get the opportunity to feel that sensation some day!  All in all, I would love to see these two again after their first appearance.  They did what is the toughest thing for any new character in the show these days to do, they added a real layer of heart to the show, and it was especially gratifying to see the parents of a Mane 6 character do so.  What more can I say other than I totally dug these two, am totally onboard the Bow Hothoof/Windy Whistles bandwagon, and can't wait to see more of them.  Stand up and give these two a cheer everypony!  Just, eh, don't bring any firework cannons... :unsure:

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This... I want this... I want to give this some day to a kid of my own so badly now (well, even more than I did before)

(2) Scootaloo

The other heart of this episode, besides Rainbow Dash's parents, was oddly not Rainbow Dash at all, it was Scootaloo.  In fact, I'd say this episode was more of a Scootaloo episode than a Rainbow Dash episode.  Oh sure, Rainbow Dash learned the lesson here, but I don't think the point of this episode was the lesson learned, at least not entirely.  The point was contrasting Scootaloo and Rainbow Dash, stand-ins for two types of kids; those with incredibly loving parents who might embarrass them on occasion in how much they love them... and those without such parents.  Scootaloo flat out says at one point in this episode that she's never had the kind of parental support that Rainbow Dash has to this day from her parents; while this is not by any means a sure confirmation of the "Scootaloo is an orphan" fan theories, it's the closest we've ever come to it being confirmed.  There are now only two options left: (1) Scootaloo is an orphan, or (2) she has incredibly neglectful parents, both of which would be devastating.  I suppose there is a third scenario possible in which her parents knew from the start that she couldn't fly and so never really encouraged her to be her best in order to keep her safe, but I doubt that's the case.

Anyways, without deviating too much, Scootaloo is in my estimation the heart of this episode.  Among the CMC, I would argue that right now she's actually the most innocent of the three still for a very particular reason (and no, it's not just because she sounds the youngest of them because her VA's voice has changed the least, though that does help).  We now know after this episode that Scootaloo has spent the entirety of the show kind of building herself a surrogate family, between her friends, Rainbow Dash, and now Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles.  All her life she's wanted to follow Rainbow Dash's example, and in this episode she got so much joy just from seeing how Rainbow Dash turned out the way she was because of how her parents raised her.  My takeaway from this is that Scootaloo, more than Apple Bloom or Sweetie Belle, is the most appreciative of the CMC of the simplest blessings and joys in life.  Things like RD's mom making RD her favorite sandwich, or her parents giving her a trophy room with all sorts of childhood mementos, scrapbooking every second of her life that they could, cheering her on at every opportunity that they could get, these are things which Scootaloo holds as precious because, based on what we've seen and she said, she's never had that.  She knows that it's not the effects of what they do that are what count, but just the fact that they're doing them, THAT'S the love, and that's what she wants more than anything else.  It's not being the best that matters to her (she may say she wants to be just like Rainbow Dash, but she's so different from Rainbow Dash, and not just physically), it's just having someone pushing you to be your best, someone there for you no matter what.  If nothing else, you could just tell how much joy it was bringing to Scootaloo to even feel like she was sharing in RD's family's experiences, even just a little bit.

I think more than anything else, the final scene confirms that she is the true heart of this episode.  Rainbow Dash may have learned the biggest lesson here, but Scootaloo got the most out of all of this.  Not only did she get to learn where Rainbow Dash came from and what helped make her into the pony she'd become, but because of how she helped remind her of that in showing RD how great she had it in comparison to herself and so many other colts and fillies, she also got even more of a family out of it.  It seems that both her personality rubbing off on the two, as well as possibly RD telling her parents that Scootaloo could use a little more support in her own life, has led to Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles treating her as something of a surrogate daughter by the end of the episode as well, much as Rainbow Dash treats Scootaloo already as a surrogate sister.  It's hard to exactly say how much this is the case since the most they do is give her a cheering section after getting her report grade, but the fact that they even made cheer-gear for her would suggest they're pretty serious about this, and the look on Scootaloo's face when they do so says it all.  Just look at her, she looks like she's about shed tears of joy!

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Rainbow got reminded of how important her family is to her by somepony who knows because there's probably nothing more she'd want than a family that's always there for her, and that filly may have just gotten her wish to some extent.  So here's hoping we see Scootaloo more with RD and her family, she had a great outing, one of her best episodes in quite some time, and hopefully got something she's always dreamed of, a family that loves her.

Also, her fangirling was adorable as buck, I'm sorry, it just needed to be said.

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Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggg... TOO... CUTE!!! :wub:

(3) Backstory and Continuity... Lots and Lots of Backstory and Continuity... Spoken and Unspoken

Jeric told me yesterday that the writer of this episode, Josh Hamilton (a first time MLP:FiM writer), has written in the past for Avatar: The Last Airbender and the The Legend of Korra.  So needless to say, he has some good credentials.  Nonetheless, the debut he made in this show was simply shocking for me, namely in his handling of show continuity.  This episode gives backstory galore, and not just with Rainbow Dash.  In fact, I finished this episode not thinking of it as the best Rainbow Dash episode ever, but rather the best episode about Rainbow Dash I've ever seen, if that makes sense.  In case it doesn't, let's just count all of the backstory we get in this episode.

#1. Rainbow Dash's Backstory - so before this episode we knew how RD got her cutie mark and helped Fluttershy and the other Mane 6 get theirs (inadvertently), but we never knew much else besides that about her childhood.  Well here, we got filly RD galore.  The flashbacks themselves were pretty simple and just showed her on the podium for flying competitions (although they had far more depth than one would initially assume, but we'll get to that later), but there were dozens of photos (most of which we could make out) of Rainbow Dash littered throughout this episode. Most of them showed Rainbow as a filly or foal (which was adorable), and showed us either (1) some stage of her life, or (2) just served as testament to the many ways in which her parents loved her.  Regardless, it was a nice bit of silent backstory (which is what I mean by things unspoken, though it is hardly the only bit of backstory or continuity unspoken in this episode), and a nice recognition from the writers that not all backstory needs to be given in flashbacks or exposition alone.  You can convey things about characters lives in all kinds of ways, not just by straight up telling us.  Oh, but we're just getting started.

#2. Rainbow Dash and the Wonderbolts - this was a nice little bit of continuity that would be easy to miss, but I think it came up enough that it's worth noting.  This was one of the first episodes where we really got to see Rainbow as a normal, full-fledged Wonderbolt, and it showed.  While I wouldn't say the Wonderbolts have treated her badly or anything since she joined them ("Newbie Dash" was way more RD's fault than theirs), she only joined them last season (approximately a season ago actually as of this episode), and since then it's still felt fresh.  Well here, it didn't, it actually felt like she was just another member, albeit an exceptional one, of the Wonderbolts.  She had a normal rapport with them, she knew her place in their routines, they're even doing favors for her.  Heck, even the ways they rib her felt normal; she's clearly still one of the younger ones, but Spitfire and Fleetfoot never gave her anymore crap about her parents than they should have.  In fact, Spitfire didn't really say anything at all other than get a little miffed initially by their training getting interrupted (oh, and getting her poor tail cut off, and frankly she should have been madder about that), and Fleetfoot spent a lot of the episode trying to reassure RD that her parents weren't being that bad (although she did steal RD's shit-eating grin from "Daring Don't," but I don't mind, because that smug face is spectacular and frankly we need to see it more, and it was perfectly called for in that scene... keep doing your thing Fleetfoot, I love when our favorite lisping pegasus gets all sassy).  Overall, like I said, it was really cool seeing RD just being another one of the Wonderbolts; she might be their captain someday considering she's that good of a flier, but frankly, right now, she's clearly just happy to be living her dream as one of the fliers she always dreamed of being.  I like that, and I'm glad we got to get a real look at that and her normal, Wonderbolt responsibilities.  Not to mention they were all super awesome for doing that really, really, really nice favor for her at the end, that was cool to see.  I love so much that at this point they're pretty much this other subset of friends for RD, albeit on a professional basis.

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Dayummmmmm girllllll, you just somehow captured, like, all of the sass and smugness in all of Equestria in one look, and it looks amazing!!! B)  Also, now that I think about it, this could double as a flirty look... I'm not gonna take that strain of thought any further, just think about it for yourselves and what scenario would demand THAT being used as a flirty look. :yay:

#3. Thunderlane's a Wonderbolt - Holy shit, Thunderlane's a Wonderbolt now!  When did this happen?  I don't know, but I don't care, it's just really cool that he's a Wonderbolt now.  I think we'd seen him in the Wonderbolt Reserves before, but based on the one shot of him in the Wonderbolts locker room, in an actual Wonderbolt uniform, not a Reserves uniform, I can only conclude that Thunderlane is now a Wonderbolt.  This is super cool because now RD is no longer even the only flier from Ponyville in the Wonderbolts; we've seen Thunderlane since Season 2 and as far as we know he still lives in Ponyville.  Also it makes it actually a little clearer how difficult it is to get into the Wonderbolts, or rather, the level of flying that is required.  Since RD was the flier we largely followed for six seasons trying to get into the Wonderbolts, it always seemed like it was damn near impossible to get in.  But Thunderlane is clearly just an exceptional flier, nowhere near RD's level, but very good nonetheless.  The fact that he's in now makes it clear that there is actually a bit of a range one encounters in the levels of talent among the fliers in the Wonderbolts.  Not all of them are going to be at RD's level or even close necessarily, they just have to be better than most fliers.  It's still an elite unit, but it's nice having a better sense of who gets in there now.

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#4. Other Wonderbolts Continuity - Not much to say here other than Vapor Trail and Sky Stinger showing up super briefly (in Wonderbolt Reserves uniforms), which was nice to see.  And at least Sky Stinger didn't talk this time; he may not be a douchebag anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that he still sounds like a douchebag.  Anyways, I did enjoy seeing those two ever so briefly, nice bit of Season 6 continuity there.

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He's so much less annoying when he's not talking, and she's as adorable as ever... YOU'RE STILL TOO GOOD FOR HIM, VAPOR!!! :angry:

#5. THE GREATEST THING YOU'LL EVER SEE - OK, so this may be just a bit of an exaggeration here, BUT this last bit of silent backstory was a real game changer.  Did it have anything to do with Rainbow Dash?  No, not really.  The Wonderbolts?  Not really, even though they're there too.  Well then who, you might ask?

DERPY. BUCKING. HOOVES.  THAT'S WHO!!!

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In a span of about 10 seconds, Derpy got perhaps the most important piece of backstory we've ever seen her get, and it all comes down to her eyes.  In the flashback where Rainbow Dash is describing how embarrassing her parents were, we clearly see Derpy at first on top of the podium among the young fliers, clearly the best of them all.  When RD mentions that she was the youngest in that entire group, we learn quite a bit already, namely that Derpy (and about every other pony she was flying with there) is older than her (which actually makes sense, fans have long speculated that RD is one of the youngest of the Mane 6).  But then when RD starts showing her progression higher and higher in the flier standings, we see simultaneously Derpy getting lower and lower.  Why?  HER EYES!  Her eyes continue to get progressively worse as she gets lower in the standings.  Combine this with the single shot of her in the Ponyville Hospital in "Where the Apple Lies" with bandages over her eyes, and suddenly, without a single word being said about it, WE HAVE US A CANON BACKSTORY OF SOME KIND FOR DERPY HOOVES!  HOLY SHIT!

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What we know right now for sure is that (1) she used to be a really good flier, (2) her eyes used to be straight, (3) she got worse at flying, and probably clumsier, when her eyes started getting worse, (4) she tried and failed to get them fixed in her late teens or young adulthood, and (5) she is now perfectly happy living with them as they are.  Holy buck, that is a crapload of backstory for a bucking BACKGROUND PONY!!!  A BACKGROUND PONY!!!  Needless to say, this was the single most important thing in the episode for me seeing as it involves my best pony, and that's saying quite a lot considering this was a bucking great episode.  But this, I want so badly more backstory like THIS!!!  SO, SO, SO MUCH!!!  Josh Hamilton, thank you for such a lovely and unexpected treat, and writers, please take notes, we want more things like this.  For all I know, this could be even setting up a future Derpy-centric episode, and if it is, I am going to go NUTS!!!  I'm not even sure anyone will be able to console me and bring me down from the high that shall be achieved, it would be truly epic in its proportions.

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The Lesson, And What It Means To All The Rainbow Dashes and Scootaloos Out There

So like I said, this is not a Rainbow Dash episode to me so much as an episode about Rainbow Dash.  And really, the lesson was not just directed at Rainbow Dash, or kids or adults like Rainbow Dash.  The lesson was directed at all the Rainbow Dashes AND Scootaloos out there.  For all like RD, the lesson was something akin to the same one that learned by a certain character in a certain recent Marvel flick (I won't spoil anything for those who haven't seen it, but I'll just leave this song here for those who have, and they'll know what I'm talking about), that being that there are things in life that, while you have them it's easy to take them for granted.  With parents, especially parents like RD's with love, praise, support, and encouragement so bottomless to the point that it can be embarrassing at times, it's REALLY easy for someone like RD to take them for granted.  But then she's confronted by Scootaloo, a pony who's never had what she had, and suddenly she's confronted with wondering what would have been if she never had her parents, or possibly even wondering what if she didn't have them tomorrow?  Suddenly, what RD was confronted with more than anything was the single question, "Had she taken them for granted, and what if they didn't really know how much she loved them for always being there for her?  What if they never knew?"  More important than anything she's ever achieved is simply that her parents have been there for her every step of the way, so the least RD figures she can do for them is try to be there for them as much as they've been there for her.  That's what family does, no matter what we end up doing with our lives, the very least and most we have to give each other is all the love and support that we can, and it's a wonderful lesson that RD learned, truly.

As for Scootaloo, while she didn't really learn anything in quite the same way that RD did, I think what she did learn is to never stop hoping for the support and love that she's always wanted.  Even if she'll never get it from her actual parents, whether they're dead, abandoned her, or just really neglectful, she learned that there are other ponies out there ready at a moment's notice to give her the love and support she's always wanted.  It just took a little searching to find.  For all the other Scootaloos out there, it's a lesson to never give up hoping for the love you may not have gotten from those who should have given it to you most.  You just might have to find it elsewhere, and it may be hard, and there may be a lot of hurt along the way, but if you look hard enough, it just may be out there for you.  Overall, just never stop hoping and looking, because you'll never know when you might find it; before you know it, you might have your very own family lifting you on their shoulders (or hooves) cheering you on for the B you just got on your awesome report, moldy sandwich included.

Aesthetic Notes

Just a couple of things to note about the, as always, amazing animation.  First, it was great seeing so much of Cloudsdale, as well as seeing Scootaloo up there finally (though the best part of that was seeing how she got up there).  Second, wing expressions, I NEED MORE OF THESE!  They were incredibly creative and I feel like we haven't seen nearly enough of them.

Finally, Windy Whistles was adorable as buck, and there were quite a few shots which you can compare to past RD stills and see quite a bit of similarity between the two.  So A-plus to the animators for giving her a distinct character design (and an adorable one at that) while still making her clearly RD's mom in appearance, especially in the face and some of her expressions.

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Minor, Minor, Minor Gripes

OK, so despite saying this is a perfect episode, I have just a handful of minor, minor, minor things to bring up that weren't so perfect but do require being addressed.  First, how the buck did RD's parents not know she was a Wonderbolt?  I know they said at one point that they didn't go to Wonderbolt performances so long as she wasn't in them, and that it's not like they have television or the Internet, BUT they do have newspapers, which presumably have sports sections, and I have a hard time believing that it was never reported in a Cloudsdale newspaper that a national hero from that city had been inducted into the Wonderbolts.  They sure didn't look like they were living as hermits either.  I suppose I could believe that RD would be anal enough in her attempts to keep them from finding out that she'd be willing to steal their newspapers, but until I hear for sure that that's what she did, I'm just gonna chalk this up to a tiny bit of lazy writing.

Second, there was only one section of this episode I didn't particularly care for, that being when Scootaloo had her exposition dump of RD's time in the Wonderbolt Reserves to RD's parents.  Don't get me wrong, I could totally see her telling them this stuff, I just don't know why we needed to see it.  It felt forced and awkward in its delivery (although her parents reactions, especially Windy Whistles, were pretty hilarious and adorable), but this felt more like exposition for the sake of audience members who never saw these episodes than anything that we needed to see her parents learn.  It wasn't awful, just wasn't executed particularly well.  Other than that, I literally have no other complaints for this episode, it was just that great.

The Ideal Season 7 Episode

I said to a friend after watching this episode (*cough* Jeric *cough*) that, overall, this episode encapsulates everything I'd want in a standard episode in the 7th season of MLP:FiM.  This show is so established at this point, that you can't just keep doing the same thing you've done in other seasons all the time.  You need to have payoff!  Payoff doesn't just have to be for long-term storylines, the most important in all the show; it can be for smaller story threads as well, things revolving around main characters like RD or Scootaloo, or even background/supporting characters like Derpy and Thunderlane.  The point is, this show has made it clear that there is a distinct passage of time by this point.  It may be difficult to follow at times, but it's safe to say that at least years have passed by this time in the show.  This isn't always made clear, but it's great when the show does recognize this, in big and small ways.

Besides the triumphs of backstory and continuity, the introduction of RD's parents to the show was seamless.  This is not always the case when it comes to the parents of a main character; sometimes they're too similar to a character to be distinct, other times they're so different that you can't believe they even are the parents of a certain character.  But in this case, not only did Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles most definitely seem just about right in their behavior to be RD's parents, but they were also plenty distinct.  They weren't freakish athletes just like her (as far as we know at least), they weren't trying to vicariously live through her by making her achievements their own, and they weren't her polar opposites.  They were just parents with a ridiculous amount of love for their daughter, and by the end of the episode showed themselves to have plenty of love to spare for others as well, in this case Scootaloo.  Their introduction was so smooth, so seamless, that the episode barely can be said to have revolved around them; oh sure, they were main characters of it, but they felt very much like they fit naturally alongside characters we've been following for over six seasons like Scootaloo and Rainbow Dash.  THAT is how you introduce parents of main characters at this point in the show.

Overall, this is the greatest triumph of Season 7 thus far, just an absolutely phenomenal, nearly flawless episode in every which way possible.  If we get more episodes like this this season, you certainly won't find me complaining, and here's hoping we get more episodes featuring Mane 6 parents or even more backstory/continuity for characters like Derpy or Thunderlane.  That's all I've got for ya'll this week everypony.  Until next week, this is Batbrony signing off.  I'm off!!! *cue dramatic exit*

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I don't know if anyone mentioned this, so sorry if someone already has, but does anyone else find the way Dash's dad's tail ends in that little lightning bolt to be just adorable?

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I really enjoyed this episode and could definitely relate to Rainbow Dash being embarrassed by her parents. Scootaloo was fantastic and definitely made this episode especially her interaction with Rainbow about how it's nice to have parents who are supportive of you rather than ignore and shut you out completely. Rainbow's parents were fantastic and I could definitely see the respect that they have for their daughter. While Rainbow's reaction to their supportiveness seemed harsh, it was warranted and she realized her mistakes and corrected them by making up with her folks. The Wonderbolts were great too and I loved seeing their reactions to Rainbow around her folks. 10/10 episode!!

Also the scenes with them using their wings was hilarious!

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Gonna link my blog entry here, since it embeds so nicely, and copypasta it...

Remember Dashie's fear of failure and sometimes overbearing self-glorification? I think the real meat of this episode was written between the lines.
I'd say timing is important and that managing to better get along with her parents could only happen right now, in this episode, not sooner.
I think this only makes sense if we assume that indeed Dashie enjoyed her parents' praise, despite the embarassment. That would make her an odd personality though, because I haven't heard something like this happening. Could be almost schizophrenic. Again - Would explain some of the other troubles she had to deal with and her current personality.

I would say the overall lesson of the episode was that if your parents are like that... be cool.

(Dashie tends to pretend to be cool, but underneath it might look different, which underlines this.)
Remember that this is not primarily a show to teach parents (although it hopefully does teach anybody), but to teach kids, so it doesn't matter whether her parents were a bad example or not. This was about how to deal with it. B)

 

As for the details: The door was a hilarious idea. (Subverting viewer's expectations is always fun.) Scootaloo's reaction to Dashie's outburst seemed overly dramatically extreme. The nap joke was the lowest point of the episode; horribly forced.

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4 hours ago, Meeps said:

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, so sorry if someone already has, but does anyone else find the way Dash's dad's tail ends in that little lightning bolt to be just adorable?

Wow, good catch, I actually hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out, but you're right, that is quite cool indeed! :wub:

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I thought this was a fantastic episode - it offered so much that we haven't seen before! 

  • The chemistry between RD and Scootaloo is genuine and you can see how hurt RD is when Scootaloo briefly loses faith in her hero.  Nice to see that someone who hasn't enjoyed a family upbringing (Scootaloo) places so much value in acknowledging what your parents do for you - something RD didn't, instead snapping at them.  
  • I really thought it was great to see RD being so embarrassed by her parents, given how she tries hard to come across as the hard and competitive pony all the time.   It's very telling that the cool pony isn't always what she seems.
  • Scootaloo displayed a very mature attitude when she spoke to RD towards the end; a noticeable role-reversal to what we've seen with these two before.
  • What with RD being my favourite character and all, this episode was so fascinating with its insights into her upbringing and also a quite angry side when she lashes out at both her parents and then Scootaloo.  
  • I feel like a lot of parents will have watched this episode thinking that the plot was a subtle dig at them, saying you mustn't be too overbearing on your children - but the beauty of this episode is that there's more than one moral: yes, it's okay to let your child be a bit independent; never take your parents' love for granted; you should be careful what you say and to whom (Scootaloo may have been excited when she told RD's parents, but you should still be apprehensive); you can't run away from problems and avoid confrontations forever - so much to interpret, and I hope people agree with me here :lie:!
  • As we've been saying, the animation was superb - the wing gestures are hilarious!  A little odd at first, especially when RD's mother and Spitfire shake 'wings', but it's a clever device from the writers and we can hopefully look forward to more of that!

A FEW MINOR CRITIQUES:

  • A few people have pointed out the weak story arc of her parents miraculously remaining unaware of their daughter's Wonderbolt success, but I'll buy it. 
  • Really nit-picking here, but I don't think people would invite someone into their house and expose their daughter's life to anypony who walks in claiming to be researching.   A little issue but nothing too severe - this is the MLP universe, after all.
  • The writers made the Wonderbolts come across as a bit unlikeable, but they made a nice gesture at the end with their private performance.   I guess they're in the series to fill the "judgemental jocks" profile.
  • The door joke was funny but they didn't need to do it twice.   I found the nap joke funny but I can see why people would find it forced.

On the whole, a really enjoyable episode that continues to showcase the promise this season keeps bringing!  Here's to many more like this, and congrats to the writers for a top storyline.

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4 hours ago, Perricone17 said:
  • Really nit-picking here, but I don't think people would invite someone into their house and expose their daughter's life to anypony who walks in claiming to be researching.   A little issue but nothing too severe - this is the MLP universe, after all.
  • The writers still made the Wonderbolts come across as unlikeable, even if they made a nice gesture at the end with their private performance.   Shame, but I guess they're in the series to fill the "judgemental jocks" profile.
  • The door joke was funny but they didn't need to do it twice.   I found the nap joke funny but I can see why people would find it forced.

 

1) Why would that be unusual? Considering what totally obsessed fans they are and that Scootaloo is a lovely kid who had clearly signaled her likemindedness.

2) Unlikeable? Judgmental jocks? I find they behave quite cool, above drama and all, some joking pokes maybe. Overall quite mature and composed.

3) It was just as much of a surprise the second time, that's so great about it. The writers were really having fun with the fact that background music blends ... well... into the background and is thus normally taken for granted and not paid any special attention. That's the point of it, but hilarious to milk it for a joke like that. Who knows, maybe the composer made a remark about it and that's how this came to be. Note how the parents remarked about the good timing, almost as if to point a big red arrow at the composer's skill, to make viewers aware of the importance of BG music and to give some credit.

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An lo, those who made Firefly RD's mom in fan labor felt a great sense of sorrow.

Yay, though many of us saw it coming, it still hurts some...

Bukcing litigation. You think they could've at least thrown in a little Firefly toy for the more attentive & eagle-eyed (who make up a good chunk of viewership)

Though who else cracked up at seeing Derpy in first place? Suddenly her stealing the spotlight from the Mane 6 feels justified. She used to be the best, then kept getting knocked down pegs, and now she's out for revenge!

Though this is makes things even MORE suspicious about about Scootaloo's family.
It's bad enough Hasbro won't let them bring up her inability to fly, but even the little girls can notice the elephant in the room...

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19 hours ago, ph00tbag said:

 

Something something Rainbow Dash Torture Porn.

 

I don't know how anyone would think this is a RD torture porn, unlike some of her S6 appearances, it never treats her like garbage, or goes out of its way to humiliate her

 

3 hours ago, Perricone17 said:

The writers still made the Wonderbolts come across as unlikeable, even if they made a nice gesture at the end with their private performance.   Shame, but I guess they're in the series to fill the "judgemental jocks" profile

Never got this impression either, other than some light ribbing(and that never came off as mean either) they seem really chill for once, and that nice gesture of helping RD amending her relationship with her parents certainly helps them too

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Oh LOL, the Derpy thing I totally didn't notice. Starting gold and with each step down the rostrum her eyes got more derped.

I guess I have to watch each episode twice. Once for the story, once for the details.

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7 hours ago, Perricone17 said:

The writers made the Wonderbolts come across as a bit unlikeable, but they made a nice gesture at the end with their private performance.   I guess they're in the series to fill the "judgemental jocks" profile.

I guess I'll add to the pile-on and say that, even as I'm not totally enamored with the episode, I didn't see the other Wonderbolts' behavior as an issue.

When Rainbow's parents (and Scootaloo) show up to the Wonderbolts' practice, Spitfire is perfectly cordial when greeting Windy, and Fleetfoot salutes Bow and says "Sir, you really raised a great flyer!", showing that they're being friendly about the situation.

And later, at the Wonderbolts' performance, Fleetfoot tells Rainbow "Your folks were definitely loud, but they weren't that bad", demonstrating that Fleetfoot sympathizes with Rainbow's situation and is trying to comfort Rainbow about it. Even Fleetfoot's "Wow..." at the unauthorized fireworks seems sympathetic to Rainbow, kind of acknowledging that her parents are being a little excessive. 

Furthermore, the other Wonderbolts show some restraint in how they respond to Rainbow's parents' behavior, rather than relentlessly hounding Rainbow about it. When Rainbow's parents show up to the Wonderbolts' practice, they opt to stop practice and give Rainbow time to "catch up" with her family, rather than hanging around to gang up and laugh at her expense, or forcing Rainbow to continue to practice while giving her parents more opportunity to embarrass her. Surprisingly, Spitfire doesn't seem particularly upset when Rainbow is distracted by her parents and accidentally cuts part of Spitfire's tail off. At the photo op, Spitfire tells Rainbow "You really do got yourself your very own mega-fans. Lucky you", rather than taking the opportunity to demean her or her parents (e.g., by saying that Rainbow's parents treat her like a baby, or something like that). And when Rainbow's parents follow her into the locker room and continue to cheerlead, the other Wonderbolts around may smirk, but again, opt to leave rather than taking the opportunity to gang up and laugh at Rainbow's expense.

I could see the situation deteriorating if Rainbow's parents keep up their shtick; I can imagine the other Wonderbolts tiring of Rainbow's parents' disruptive antics. But the other Wonderbolts' behavior seen in this episode comes across to me much more as friends good-naturedly poking fun, rather than bullying or being "judgmental jocks".

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20 hours ago, MLPFanatic34 said:

I really enjoyed this episode and could definitely relate to Rainbow Dash being embarrassed by her parents. Scootaloo was fantastic and definitely made this episode especially her interaction with Rainbow about how it's nice to have parents who are supportive of you rather than ignore and shut you out completely. Rainbow's parents were fantastic and I could definitely see the respect that they have for their daughter. While Rainbow's reaction to their supportiveness seemed harsh, it was warranted and she realized her mistakes and corrected them by making up with her folks. The Wonderbolts were great too and I loved seeing their reactions to Rainbow around her folks. 10/10 episode!!

Also the scenes with them using their wings was hilarious!

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6 hours ago, Whompy Whomperson said:

I don't know how anyone would think this is a RD torture porn, unlike some of her S6 appearances, it never treats her like garbage, or goes out of its way to humiliate her

Aside from it explicitly being about humiliating her, yeah, you're exactly right. It constitutes less of the episode's bulk, yes, but more for time constraint reasons than because the story doesn't linger on moments of her being embarrassed. And granted it's more Schadenfreude and less Fremdschämen, but that's just because Rainbow Dash's awareness of the humiliation and her reactions make it easier to find funny.

Ultimately, though, I don't know if I can convince you if you don't think the fireworks were "out of its way."

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19 minutes ago, ph00tbag said:

Aside from it explicitly being about humiliating her, yeah, you're exactly right. It constitutes less of the episode's bulk, yes, but more for time constraint reasons than because the story doesn't linger on moments of her being embarrassed. And granted it's more Schadenfreude and less Fremdschämen, but that's just because Rainbow Dash's awareness of the humiliation and her reactions make it easier to find funny.

Ultimately, though, I don't know if I can convince you if you don't think the fireworks were "out of its way."

The fireworks were over the top. That's really about it, the most you got out of it was Fleetfoot going "wow" in shock

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3 hours ago, Music Chart Fan said:

I guess I'll add to the pile-on and say that, even as I'm not totally enamored with the episode, I didn't see the other Wonderbolts' behavior as an issue.

 

Jeez I'm getting slated for this now... look all I meant was I never really liked the Wonderbolt characters, and this episode did nothing to change that.  Their behaviour was not out of line in the episode; they behaved as one would expect them to and I even enjoyed Spitfire shaking hands.  Maybe I got a bit carried away by profiling them overall but it was just from the opinion of someone who never really liked the characters! :orly: 

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I enjoyed the episode up until the end; I was left unsatisfied when Rainbow Dash decided to simply accept the behavior of her parents when her grievances were legitimate. I think it would have been more suitable had the episode concluded with both Dash and her parents making concessions: Dash recognizing her parents' good intentions and her parents recognizing that the ways in which they were showing support was excessive.

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Fun fact about the writer: Josh Hamilton wrote for Avatar: The Last Airbender, writing many of its best episodes, including the four part series finale, Sozin's Comet.

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On 5/22/2017 at 5:40 PM, Whompy Whomperson said:

The fireworks were over the top. That's really about it, the most you got out of it was Fleetfoot going "wow" in shock

Did the ponies around her have to do anything in particular? It's already gotten pretty egregious. If they had done something more than just go, "wow," what else would it have required? Stop moving the goal post on me.

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21 minutes ago, ph00tbag said:

Did the ponies around her have to do anything in particular? It's already gotten pretty egregious. If they had done something more than just go, "wow," what else would it have required? Stop moving the goal post on me.

The fireworks were never meant to embarrass her(on purpose at least). It's an excessive, over the top gesture, but meant well(though insane)

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On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 10:58 PM, Music Chart Fan said:

After Scootaloo gets the grade for her report, we see Rainbow and her parents do the same kind of obnoxious cheerleading that Rainbow found ridiculous and "too much" before. It could be argued that Scootaloo showed that she wanted this kind of praise earlier, but do any of them (especially Rainbow) think that it would be better to show a more appropriate level of support? Wouldn't Scootaloo be liable to (eventually) find this annoying just as Rainbow did?

This one part I disagree with. I'm of the opinion that a kid who (apparently) has lacked any support at all from her folks deserves however much light her moment in the sun here can provide. While I was annoyed with how disruptive to others RD's parents were at sporting events, the three of them showing up to hear and cheer Scootaloo's report was totally appropriate. She seemed not only happy but even awestruck at the outpouring of love from the entire classroom. Since the class didn't mind the excessive celebration (unlike the other spectators at the sporting events), I wouldn't expect Scootaloo or Rainbow Dash to mind, either.

Besides, this was just for Scootaloo, and probably not something that is going to happen considering RD's parents don't live in Ponyville. Maybe they all decided to do this for her after learning she hasn't gotten the support like RD had growing up? Since the parents were completely calm during the special WB performance, I'd like to think they learned their lesson and they'll keep being that restrained from now on.

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 10:58 PM, Music Chart Fan said:

I mentioned this in a previous post, but when Spitfire asks "Which pony broke protocol and invited guests to our training exercises?!" and Rainbow says "I guess they're with me", I was bracing for Rainbow to get punished, and I was wishing that Rainbow would have added something like "I don't know why they're here, I didn't invite them".

Heh, I had the same thought. I wanted Rainbow to state it wasn't her idea to bring spectators down near the runway. They don't even know the rule about looking both ways before crossing the tarmac. And like you, it was painful at first because I was fully expecting Spitfire to chew Rainbow out, but fortunately she stayed calm, even reasonable.

 

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 2:28 AM, Justin_Case001 said:

Anyway, I did really like Scoot's story about not receiving any praise or support herself.  It really thickens the plot and speculation about her.  Fans have always loved speculating that she's an orphan, or had abusive parents or something like that.  The show wouldn't go that dark, but I'm actually very pleasantly surprised that they had her have a difficult foalhood, with parents who were evidently not very supportive.

My guess is her parents are simply ambivalent to everything she does. She's probably tried to impress them on numerous occasions, but they probably wave it off or even scold her if it's something that could end up getting damaged by her actions. Maybe they even give the impression they're more concerned about damage to an item instead of her getting hurt? That's probably as dark as the show would ever go, but it's still pretty sad to consider if that's how much her parents care about her.

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 2:28 AM, Justin_Case001 said:

That was wrong of me, but I still feel that way.  I love you guys, but you need to chill and stop screaming about every little thing that I do.  You may not realize it, but it's embarrassing for me."  To which they could respond, "We understand, and we're sorry we tend to get so carried away.  It's only because we're so proud, but we promise to calm down from now on."

Yeah, I wish it could have been that way, too. I want to love this episode so much because the stuff before the blow-up and the stuff after they sort things out is really, really good. But the episode hits this really rough patch when they seemingly place all the blame on RD and none on her parents. In the end, I still liked this episode a lot, though, just for Scootaloo getting a lot of great scenes and the Wonderbolts getting some redemption from their past appearances.

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1 hour ago, Truffles said:

This one part I disagree with. I'm of the opinion that a kid who (apparently) has lacked any support at all from her folks deserves however much light her moment in the sun here can provide. While I was annoyed with how disruptive to others RD's parents were at sporting events, the three of them showing up to hear and cheer Scootaloo's report was totally appropriate. She seemed not only happy but even awestruck at the outpouring of love from the entire classroom. Since the class didn't mind the excessive celebration (unlike the other spectators at the sporting events), I wouldn't expect Scootaloo or Rainbow Dash to mind, either.

Besides, this was just for Scootaloo, and probably not something that is going to happen considering RD's parents don't live in Ponyville. Maybe they all decided to do this for her after learning she hasn't gotten the support like RD had growing up? Since the parents were completely calm during the special WB performance, I'd like to think they learned their lesson and they'll keep being that restrained from now on.

Hmm, yeah, the cheerleading for Scootaloo doesn't seem so bad if it's a special thing done because they (rightly) believe Scootaloo would really like it and really deserves it, rather than it being done for seemingly everything without real rationale and without it even being wanted, as it apparently was for Rainbow Dash. And I hadn't thought to look at how the rest of the class is reacting. We actually don't see much of them after Rainbow, Windy and Bow pop in the window, but you could say that they're giving at least tacit approval. Funnily enough, the rest of the class might in part just approve of any distraction from class, including the Scootaloo cheering section; I know I probably would have back in middle school!

I'll admit to having some bias when it comes to how I see the cheerleading for Scootaloo, and for Rainbow done earlier. One part of it is that I've read about how "participation trophy culture", indiscriminately praising kids and trying to shield them from failure or bad feelings, can lead to those kids growing up to be anxious, unwilling to take responsibility, unable to independently motivate themselves, etc. Another part of it is that - having a rather analytical, realistic, and grounded personality - that kind of deliberately hyperbolic praise comes across to me as a little disingenuous, offputting, and unnecessary. My thinking is that Scootaloo obviously isn't the "greatest report giver of all time", so why say that if it isn't true? Why not give praise or compliments that are grounded in reality (e.g., praising the effort that went into it, saying that they thought x, y, and z about the report/presentation were good, or the like)? So I may not be able to put myself in Scootaloo's place, where she would be overjoyed by an ostentatious show of support after having not been supported previously.

But you gave me a different perspective to think about, and I feel better about the ending of the episode now than I did before!

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9 hours ago, Whompy Whomperson said:

The fireworks were never meant to embarrass her(on purpose at least). It's an excessive, over the top gesture, but meant well(though insane)

The teasing in Newbie Dash was never meant to embarrass her on purpose, if you're discussing character motivations. The writers definitely did it on purpose in both cases, though.

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