Will the show ever have canon lesbians?

[Lucky Star 971]

Kora, SU, and Loud House have a different target demographic than FiM according to the people who produce the show. I wouldn't mind it, but I think very subtle hints are all we are going to get (Lyra and Bon Bon).

What about Vinyl and Octavia? They live together in a fully customized house designed to match both of their personalities. 

That's a little complex for just roommates. So I think it's safe to say that it was implied for them to be lesbians as well. 

[Hazard Time 1,127]

What about Vinyl and Octavia? They live together in a fully customized house designed to match both of their personalities. 

That's a little complex for just roommates. So I think it's safe to say that it was implied for them to be lesbians as well. 

 

And yet their house was split down the middle, a bit like roommates.

 

Honestly, it's easy to ship any two characters who interact with each other, and just because the two share a house doesn't mean they're in a relationship.  Could they be subtle lesbian couple?  The possibility always exists, but I have no reason to believe that so far.

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

I would like for you to point out the part where I said I was either Christian or Homophobic.

I guess humor doesn't exist. Also do you hate gays?

What about Vinyl and Octavia? They live together in a fully customized house designed to match both of their personalities. 

That's a little complex for just roommates. So I think it's safe to say that it was implied for them to be lesbians as well.

 

Yeah exactly what I thought.

And yet their house was split down the middle, a bit like roommates.

 

Honestly, it's easy to ship any two characters who interact with each other, and just because the two share a house doesn't mean they're in a relationship.  Could they be subtle lesbian couple?  The possibility always exists, but I have no reason to believe that so far.

Stop trying fandom fun times.

[Hazard Time 1,127]

I guess humor doesn't exist. Also do you hate gays?

 

It's hard to tell that was sarcasm without any sort of indicator like xP or 

 

Also, no.

Edited December 16, 2016 by Hazard Time

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

It's hard to tell that was sarcasm without any sort of indicator like xP or 

 

Also, no.

Oh ok sorry I was just asking.

[Lil Pip 775]

 

I don't know what you mean by no lesbian horses yet lol

What about Vinyl and Octavia? They live together in a fully customized house designed to match both of their personalities. 

That's a little complex for just roommates. So I think it's safe to say that it was implied for them to be lesbians as well. 

Forgot about that one too lol 

[Steve Piranha 28,889]

Not necessarily the mane six. But just background ponies also. I know they teased it with Lyra and Bonbon in Slice Of Life but I'm talking about official lesbians.

Apart of those two, we also got this tidbit with Octavia and Vinyl 

[KatonRyu 1,026]

I don't think they'll get any more explicit than they did in Slice of Life with Lyra and Bon Bon and Vinyl and Octavia, although those two pairs are pretty much canon due to how they hinted it. It would be fun if they did go that route though. Maybe something like Starlight/Trixie? Any of my other ships would be fine too, obviously.

 

 

Cannon lesbians would be cool though. Would that involve Pinkie and her party cannon? ...I'm sorry, I just have this pathological need to make a remark like this every time I see canon spelled as cannon. Please don't take it seriously.

 

[M'gann M'orzz 745]

Look as much as I want a long on screen kiss between Rarity and Applejack you know anything like that would cause massive drama in the fandom since their main characters and people ship them every which way, even if they DID do some openly LGBT couple it it'd be among side characters

[Unikitty 1,211]

Does the show NEED a gay pairing? No.

Do I care whether or not it gets one(or several)? Nope.

 

But IF they were ever to have one, it would need to be it's own arc. Diversity for the sake of diversity is just as problematic and ignorant as outright exclusion. It becomes false awareness and these bandwagons can seriously hurt the cause.

Ideally, you'd want focus on the relationship, and explanation as to why it's there. Same-sex relationships are still very much a controversial topic, and just throwing in a gay couple and saying "Hey have some gays, they exist so put up with it!" isn't actually helping explain the importance of the cause.

 

That in lies your catch 22, due to this show being what it is. Such a topic is too controversial at this time, and doesn't appeal to the target demographic enough. The problems caused won't be able to outweigh the potential benefits.

Shoehorning it in will just damage the franchise as a whole.

[cider float 2,536]

That's just you pop ion though.

 

More like it's something that's shoved down my throat and it's more of a stereotype of what straight guys want.

[Fluttershyponygal 82]

Considering how a bunch of mothers and other people who couldn't see the difference between reality and a fictional cartoon horse blew a gasket big enough to get Derpy's name canonically removed from the series and replaced with a bad substitute...I doubt it but we can only hope they get that brave.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

It won't happen though I wish it would. I think the important thing here is a blatant and shoe-horned homosexual relationship vs a natural one. For example, it's very natural in some shows the way a man will say at a christmas episode about bringing his boyfriend over for dinner, and I think that's a good way, because it doesn't abnormalise it trying to normalise it and draw attention to it, but just slips it in as a regular event instead.

 

Which would be opposed to what some shippers want, which is some tongue action and practically putting up a neon sign that says LESBIANS HERE!

finally someone that gets it

 

now tell me you hate Steven Suckniverse and everything will be complete.

[Rarity Is Best Pony 634]

I am always down for inclusion but I don't see this happening as Hasbro most likely doesn't want to piss off all of the close minded parents that would buy merchandise and toys for their kids.

Edited December 16, 2016 by Rarity Is Best Pony

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,298]

Prime time adult show, no problem. I doubt anyone would even question it. This is a TVY cartoon.  That is WAY past what they can do & keep that rating.

So the depiction of a homosexual relationship is somehow more "adult" than the depiction of a heterosexual relationship (which we've already seen in-show)?  If a straight relationship doesn't shift the TVY rating, a gay one shouldn't either.

 

 

 

There is no reason to have homosexual characters except for unnecessary controversy

One could also ask: What the hell's the point to heterosexual relationships in-show?

 

Here's what some of you are missing, here: A homosexual relationship is no less and no more valid than a heterosexual relationship; nor does it have to be depicted any more explicitly than heterosexual relationships have been thus far in MLP:FIM.  The only thing really keeping them out of the show is parents with sticks up their respective asses; people who would cry foul the moment a "non-traditional" relationship was acknowledged in CANON.

 

 

 

Because shippers will ship and there are people petty enough to demand that the show should validate it.

Not especially relevant within the context of the topic; particularly if MLP:FIM's first homosexual relationship were to involve two never-before-seen ponies.  Besides: What you said could also be applied to heterosexual ships.  Some people are fine with hetero ships and balk at homosexual pairings; seemingly for no other reason than, "That pony absolutely CAN'T be gay."  Admittedly, when I shipped (which I've not done in earnest for a long time), I favored lesbian couples.  Because I prefer lesbian couples.

 

All that being said...  It doesn't seem likely that it'll happen.  I say this because there's still some degree of aversion to homosexual pairings in children's programming.  Which I personally think is stupid.  I don't think homosexual relationships should be treated any differently than heterosexual relationships, but the former is relatively taboo (oooOoo, spooky ghost) or envelope-pushing.  There are individuals who continue to mistake homosexuality for a moral issue.  I wouldn't necessarily mind if ALL relationships, gay or straight, were left out of the series altogether, but hetero relationships have already received a certain amount of focus.  Meaning the only reason gay relationships haven't is, well, all the crap I just went over.

 

 

I think the important thing here is a blatant and shoe-horned homosexual relationship vs a natural one.

How long will this endure as an excuse to exclude, though?  Are HETERO relationships handled subtly in children's programming?  Cadance and Shining Armor Hot Dogs was shoe-horned into the series out of absolutely nowhere.  The first homosexual relationship in a children's program is gonna be noticed, no matter HOW it's handled.  There are people who will still flip out at the relatively subtle scenario you proposed, and there are people who will cry "shoe-horning" ANYWAY.  Can't someone just pop the damned cork already?  Can Steven Magnet just have a boyfriend, please?  Can we just take an already blatant homosexual stereotype and let him have a sea serpent beau?  I know he has one, off-screen.

 

 

More like it's something that's shoved down my throat and it's more of a stereotype of what straight guys want.

I'd be fine with a male / male pairing or female / female pairing, and I don't care if it's given an entire episode or a mere mention.  I don't ship, and I don't want to see every - or necessarily any - ship in the fandom made canon.  I don't need anything validated; I just think it's ridiculous that it's still an issue in this day and age.

[ARagY 1,152]

How long will this endure as an excuse to exclude, though?  Are HETERO relationships handled subtly in children's programming?  Cadance and Shining Armor Hot Dogs was shoe-horned into the series out of absolutely nowhere.  The first homosexual relationship in a children's program is gonna be noticed, no matter HOW it's handled.  There are people who will still flip out at the relatively subtle scenario you proposed, and there are people who will cry "shoe-horning" ANYWAY.  Can't someone just pop the damned cork already?  Can Steven Magnet just have a boyfriend, please?  Can we just take an already blatant homosexual stereotype and let him have a sea serpent beau?  I know he has one, off-screen.

It's not an excuse to exclude, and you're right that a homosexual relationship shouldn't be more "adult". But there are a lot of problems in the way the relationships have been presented that will turn people off to changing their minds anyway. I really don't want to see anyone kiss on TV unless it's for a good reason, if it's two men doing that it's going to naturally turn more people off because of the conditioning they have to associate what they see now with porn or what have you. Right thing? No. But that's how it is and you should work around that. You won't change people's minds by turning them off by just throwing these things in to make them like it. I know people can do the same thing with a heterosexual relationship and no one thinks of it like this but one is stigmatised, and the other isn't, and so the degree of exposure brings about different feelings on the intent. 

 

I mean this isn't the only time I've disagreed with people who I otherwise share a goal with. I support freeing the nipple but not #FreeTheNipple because going to town squares, ripping off your top, and demanding national coverage will just attract perverts, creeps, and make it a spectacle, just making the entire case worse for everyone.

[DANUTERCISD 202]

As long as the mane 6 isn't involved.

[Lucky Star 971]

And yet their house was split down the middle, a bit like roommates.

 

Honestly, it's easy to ship any two characters who interact with each other, and just because the two share a house doesn't mean they're in a relationship.  Could they be subtle lesbian couple?  The possibility always exists, but I have no reason to believe that so far.

 

*Sings loudly and off key*

 

I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIIISS SHIP! 

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWCa83n-MI

 

I don't know what you mean by no lesbian horses yet lol

Forgot about that one too lol 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNfrKQ65wjg

That's just fan interpretation.

[Hazard Time 1,127]

 

 

Not especially relevant within the context of the topic; particularly if MLP:FIM's first homosexual relationship were to involve two never-before-seen ponies.  Besides: What you said could also be applied to heterosexual ships.  Some people are fine with hetero ships and balk at homosexual pairings; seemingly for no other reason than, "That pony absolutely CAN'T be gay."  Admittedly, when I shipped (which I've not done in earnest for a long time), I favored lesbian couples.  Because I prefer lesbian couples.

 

If it involved two original characters in the show (I mean OCs in the sense that they're never before seen, not fan made xP) that would be entirely different.  What I was talking about are the people who obsess over their ships so much that the only reason they watch the show now is to find validation for it.  I lived on Tumblr for two years, and I saw this shit happen.  Even then, I've seen it happen on these forums.

 

I stand by what I said earlier.  There are people who legitimately don't give two shits about the rights of real LGBT people and just want to see their fantasies indulged by the show staff.  They're a small fringe group, of course, and I am not saying that all shippers or people demanding more LGBT representation in general have this ulterior motive, but after dealing with this BS on Tumblr for so long, I can't help but be cynical.

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

Apart of those two, we also got this tidbit with Octavia and Vinyl 

I never noticed it before.

I don't think they'll get any more explicit than they did in Slice of Life with Lyra and Bon Bon and Vinyl and Octavia, although those two pairs are pretty much canon due to how they hinted it. It would be fun if they did go that route though. Maybe something like Starlight/Trixie? Any of my other ships would be fine too, obviously.

 

 

Cannon lesbians would be cool though. Would that involve Pinkie and her party cannon? ...I'm sorry, I just have this pathological need to make a remark like this every time I see canon spelled as cannon. Please don't take it seriously.

 

Yeah I guess I see your point.

[Lil Pip 775]

That's just fan interpretation.

'Eventually they just decided to "Go for it" and make it a Brony episode. '

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/06/ma-larson-reveals-all-sorts-of-fun.html

so the shipping was indeed shipping and for bronies, thus their interpretation of the shipping is correct. At least for that episode anyways lol.

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

Look as much as I want a long on screen kiss between Rarity and Applejack you know anything like that would cause massive drama in the fandom since their main characters and people ship them every which way, even if they DID do some openly LGBT couple it it'd be among side characters

Yeah that is what I though also.

Does the show NEED a gay pairing? No.

Do I care whether or not it gets one(or several)? Nope.

But IF they were ever to have one, it would need to be it's own arc. Diversity for the sake of diversity is just as problematic and ignorant as outright exclusion. It becomes false awareness and these bandwagons can seriously hurt the cause.

Ideally, you'd want focus on the relationship, and explanation as to why it's there. Same-sex relationships are still very much a controversial topic, and just throwing in a gay couple and saying "Hey have some gays, they exist so put up with it!" isn't actually helping explain the importance of the cause.

That in lies your catch 22, due to this show being what it is. Such a topic is too controversial at this time, and doesn't appeal to the target demographic enough. The problems actually see yocaused won't be able to outweigh the potential benefits.actually see your point.

Shoehorning it in will just damage the franchise as a whole.

pooI can actually see your point.

More like it's something that's shoved down my throat and it's more of a stereotype of what straight guys want.

I don't care you win. Mlp fun

Considering how a bunch of mothers and other people who couldn't see the difference between reality and a fictional cartoon horse blew a gasket big enough to get Derpy's name canonically removed from the series and replaced with a bad substitute...I doubt it but we can only hope they get that brave.

Yeah ash it probably won't happen.

finally someone that gets it

 

now tell me you hate Steven Suckniverse and everything will be complete.

Yeah lesbians won't happen.

I am always down for inclusion but I don't see this happening as Hasbro most likely doesn't want to piss off all of the close minded parents that would buy merchandise and toys for their kids.

Yeah it probably won't ever happen.

So the depiction of a homosexual relationship is somehow more "adult" than the depiction of a heterosexual relationship (which we've already seen in-show)?  If a straight relationship doesn't shift the TVY rating, a gay one shouldn't either.

 

 

One could also ask: What the hell's the point to heterosexual relationships in-show?

 

Here's what some of you are missing, here: A homosexual relationship is no less and no more valid than a heterosexual relationship; nor does it have to be depicted any more explicitly than heterosexual relationships have been thus far in MLP:FIM.  The only thing really keeping them out of the show is parents with sticks up their respective asses; people who would cry foul the moment a "non-traditional" relationship was acknowledged in CANON.

 

 

Not especially relevant within the context of the topic; particularly if MLP:FIM's first homosexual relationship were to involve two never-before-seen ponies.  Besides: What you said could also be applied to heterosexual ships.  Some people are fine with hetero ships and balk at homosexual pairings; seemingly for no other reason than, "That pony absolutely CAN'T be gay."  Admittedly, when I shipped (which I've not done in earnest for a long time), I favored lesbian couples.  Because I prefer lesbian couples.

 

All that being said...  It doesn't seem likely that it'll happen.  I say this because there's still some degree of aversion to homosexual pairings in children's programming.  Which I personally think is stupid.  I don't think homosexual relationships should be treated any differently than heterosexual relationships, but the former is relatively taboo (oooOoo, spooky ghost) or envelope-pushing.  There are individuals who continue to mistake homosexuality for a moral issue.  I wouldn't necessarily mind if ALL relationships, gay or straight, were left out of the series altogether, but hetero relationships have already received a certain amount of focus.  Meaning the only reason gay relationships haven't is, well, all the crap I just went over.

 

How long will this endure as an excuse to exclude, though?  Are HETERO relationships handled subtly in children's programming?  Cadance and Shining Armor Hot Dogs was shoe-horned into the series out of absolutely nowhere.  The first homosexual relationship in a children's program is gonna be noticed, no matter HOW it's handled.  There are people who will still flip out at the relatively subtle scenario you proposed, and there are people who will cry "shoe-horning" ANYWAY.  Can't someone just pop the damned cork already?  Can Steven Magnet just have a boyfriend, please?  Can we just take an already blatant homosexual stereotype and let him have a sea serpent beau?  I know he has one, off-screen.

 

I'd be fine with a male / male pairing or female / female pairing, and I don't care if it's given an entire episode or a mere mention.  I don't ship, and I don't want to see every - or necessarily any - ship in the fandom made canon.  I don't need anything validated; I just think it's ridiculous that it's still an issue in this day and age.

Well I agree with you completely.

It's not an excuse to exclude, and you're right that a homosexual relationship shouldn't be more "adult". But there are a lot of problems in the way the relationships have been presented that will turn people off to changing their minds anyway. I really don't want to see anyone kiss on TV unless it's for a good reason, if it's two men doing that it's going to naturally turn more people off because of the conditioning they have to associate what they see now with porn or what have you. Right thing? No. But that's how it is and you should work around that. You won't change people's minds by turning them off by just throwing these things in to make them like it. I know people can do the same thing with a heterosexual relationship and no one thinks of it like this but one is stigmatised, and the other isn't, and so the degree of exposure brings about different feelings on the intent. 

 

I mean this isn't the only time I've disagreed with people who I otherwise share a goal with. I support freeing the nipple but not #FreeTheNipple because going to town squares, ripping off your top, and demanding national coverage will just attract perverts, creeps, and make it a spectacle, just making the entire case worse for everyone.

II agree with what you said.

As long as the mane 6 isn't involved.

Yeah I agree with that. Mlp

*Sings loudly and off key*

 

I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIIISS SHIP!

 

That's from the ship it song right?

If it involved two original characters in the show (I mean OCs in the sense that they're never before seen, not fan made xP) that would be entirely different.  What I was talking about are the people who obsess over their ships so much that the only reason they watch the show now is to find validation for it.  I lived on Tumblr for two years, and I saw this shit happen.  Even then, I've seen it happen on these forums.

 

I stand by what I said earlier.  There are people who legitimately don't give two shits about the rights of real LGBT people and just want to see their fantasies indulged by the show staff.  They're a small fringe group, of course, and I am not saying that all shippers or people demanding more LGBT representation in general have this ulterior motive, but after dealing with this BS on Tumblr for so long, I can't help but be cynical.

Yeah but most shipping is for fun.

'Eventually they just decided to "Go for it" and make it a Brony episode. '

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/06/ma-larson-reveals-all-sorts-of-fun.html

so the shipping was indeed shipping and for bronies, thus their interpretation of the shipping is correct. At least for that episode anyways lol.

Well I didn't know about that.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,298]

I already said my piece (and then some), and I was sincere in all I said.  However, I still felt compelled to come back and share this thing I threw together:

 

 

Because levity.

 

 

[Tilgoreth 1,915]

I already said my piece (and then some), and I was sincere in all I said.  However, I still felt compelled to come back and share this thing I threw together:

 

 

cannon lesbian.png

Because levity.

 

 

why do I bother if everyone 'll just hate me anyways.