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[Loyal Defender 4,111]

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So, I would like to point something out. In Shadow Play, Part 1, Twilight points out how Limbo works. But how exactly does she know? She couldn't have been in limbo, and to write a book on it, you'd have to go there and back.  

 

 

[The Grobien 58]

Maybe she magically learned it?

[Loyal Defender 4,111]

1 hour ago, Frosty Flames said:

Maybe she magically learned it?

It's farfetched to say this is just a 'fact Twilight knows'.
Because you have to EXPERIENCE a fact to learn it. She didn't learn a spell for nor go to limbo.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Loyal Defender

[ShadOBabe 19,013]

20 minutes ago, Loyal Defender said:

you'd have to go there and back

Not really. In theoretical science, it all hinges on observing pre-existing trends to predict how something that cannot be tested might act.

Assuming no one HAS been able to truly study limbo and how it works, Twilight might have still read up on theories pertaining to it.

[Loyal Defender 4,111]

Theories, though, unless they're PROVEN theories.

[The Grobien 58]

27 minutes ago, Loyal Defender said:

It's farfetched to say this is just a 'fact Twilight knows'.
Because you have to EXPERIENCE a fact to learn it. She didn't learn a spell for nor go to limbo.

It’s a joke.

[Loyal Defender 4,111]

I like how not once in this episode, Twilight didn't consider that the Pony of Shadows was in a limbo spell she wanted to undo.
She could've been like, "Oh, huh. If I undo this spell, the Pony of Shadows  might return."
Anyone wanna explain why NOT ONCE THIS WAS HINTED?! Aside from Starlight mentioning with common sense how they shouldn't undo the spell.
There's a reason there's a difference in 'imprisoned themselves' and 'sacrificed themselves.'
 

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

Twilight: Oh hey... if I undo this Limbo spell the Pony Of Shadows may come back as well, and that would suck horse apples. OK sorry pillars, your just going to have to stay trapped. Oh wow... we still have 15 minutes in this episode and 23 in the next. Hmmm, I guess we can get Pinkie Pie to do stand up... or better yet... Conway Twitty... it worked for Family Guy!

As for how Twilight knows... she read it in a book. No one has died and gone to heaven here and come back and told us about it, but the best selling book in the world is happy to tell us all about it. So yeah... when you can't make the trip yourself, write about it with authority.

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1 hour ago, GrimGrimoire said:

Twilight: Oh hey... if I undo this Limbo spell the Pony Of Shadows may come back as well, and that would suck horse apples. OK sorry pillars, your just going to have to stay trapped. Oh wow... we still have 15 minutes in this episode and 23 in the next. Hmmm, I guess we can get Pinkie Pie to do stand up... or better yet... Conway Twitty... it worked for Family Guy!

As for how Twilight knows... she read it in a book. No one has died and gone to heaven here and come back and told us about it, but the best selling book in the world is happy to tell us all about it. So yeah... when you can't make the trip yourself, write about it with authority.

I mean, all these years, and you didn't even worry about Starswirl's disappearance. All cuz of a stupid book you suddenly started fangirling over him. Didn't help he turned out to be a salty dick, now did it? (I admit it's because she undid the spell, but still.)

[Hierok 11,832]

It is just like with black holes. We can't go there by ourselfs, but we know that they are there and what they can do. I assume Twilight did the same thing with Limbo. It could also be that Discord helped her out. He is after all the master of switching dimensions. 

[Will Guide 21,362]

@Loyal Defender

But the Crystal Empire disappeared off the face of Wherever Equestria is for 1000 years and to the Crystal Ponies, it was they were in frozen statis for over 1000 years and it felt like yesterday they were still there. Just like Limbo. Just replace Sombra with Pony of Shadows.

A.J. in the war timeline even said when the Crystal Empire returned it brought Sombra with it.

[Sparklefan1234 172,986]

Wasn't Twilight Sparkle in limbo for a bit before she became an Alicorn during Magical Mystery Cure?

[Will Guide 21,362]

28 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

Wasn't Twilight Sparkle in limbo for a bit before she became an Alicorn during Magical Mystery Cure?

In a way, she might have. Valid idea.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

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On 3/28/2018 at 2:34 AM, We. said:

Just replace Sombra with Pony of Shadows.

 

Difference: Sombra was the caster (like the Pillars), while Pony Of Shadows was the target (of the Pillars).

Edited March 30, 2018 by A.V.

[kaiser5578 340]

My guess is that the crystal empire was brought to limbo for that thousand years. With the residual magic coming off of it, Twilight could probably with some help of our three other alicorns and discord anylize it. This would allow a way to trace and connect dots.

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On ‎3‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 8:54 PM, Loyal Defender said:

Theories, though, unless they're PROVEN theories.

IIRC, Einstein said "Theory without facts is fantasy, Facts without theory are trivia"

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On 3/27/2018 at 9:17 PM, Loyal Defender said:

I like how not once in this episode, Twilight didn't consider that the Pony of Shadows was in a limbo spell she wanted to undo.
She could've been like, "Oh, huh. If I undo this spell, the Pony of Shadows  might return."
Anyone wanna explain why NOT ONCE THIS WAS HINTED?! Aside from Starlight mentioning with common sense how they shouldn't undo the spell.
There's a reason there's a difference in 'imprisoned themselves' and 'sacrificed themselves.'

Maybe because she was excited at the prospect of resuscitating the guy who literally got her as invested into magic as she is?

Twilight isn't infallible. It's demonstrated in past episodes that Twilight can have a bit of a tunnel-vision when she focuses on a certain thing too much - it's actually where a lot of her neuroses stems from. Lesson Zero literally happened, for instance, because she focused so obsessively on the fact that she would be tardy that she didn't consider how irrational it would be for Celestia to send her back to Magic Kindergarten for failing a friendship lesson of all things.

On 3/27/2018 at 8:54 PM, Loyal Defender said:

Theories, though, unless they're PROVEN theories.

That's not how theories work in science.

Theories are not facts that you can prove. They aren't the same thing. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation for a collection of facts that exhibit a pattern.

On 3/27/2018 at 9:42 PM, Loyal Defender said:

I mean, all these years, and you didn't even worry about Starswirl's disappearance. All cuz of a stupid book you suddenly started fangirling over him. Didn't help he turned out to be a salty dick, now did it? (I admit it's because she undid the spell, but still.)

She fangirled over him as early as Luna Eclipsed, which was in season 2.

[ShootingStar159 2,157]

I thought it was implied she read about it Starswirl’s notes. She was talking about what she learned in his journal when she brought up what happened to the pillars.

Didnt she smack AJ in the face with the book right before bringing up Limbo?

Edited April 1, 2018 by ShootingStar159

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Maybe she read "Visions of Heaven and Hell".