Was Twilight Sparkle becoming an alicorn a good thing?

[GaryTheRetroPony 4]

I don't care what y'all say,the only bad that can come out'a this is Rarity feeling rejected for being the only Unicorn in the group.

Twilight is still gonna be with her friends and  the only thing that will change is her being able to fly.

...And maybe a couple of random ponies bowing to her as she walks around town 

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

I don't care what y'all say,the only bad that can come out'a this is Rarity feeling rejected for being the only Unicorn in the group.

Twilight is still gonna be with her friends and the only thing that will change is her being able to fly.

...And maybe a couple of random ponies bowing to her as she walks around town

And that is another problem with this. Remember how Rarity was the only main pony to not appear in Luna Eclipsed? Don't forget that she never had her own S3 episode. Apparently, the writers hate Rarity, and turning Twilight into an alicorn just fuels that hate. The only way they can show that they still care for Rarity is if they have Twilight surrender her wings and royal-status to be with her friends.

[Shift 4,272]

Read 'The Immortal Game' and then you're fine with it.

 

She's an alicorn through the entire thing and it advances the story well, plus the coronation at the end makes you think of TiG whenever Alicorn Twi pops up.

[TBB Symphonia 39]

I think that Twilight becoming a alicorn could be a good thing even though I am not really excited that she became a princess.

 

I mean it all depends on the writers of the show and what they want to happen. I hope they make good decisions to better develop her character, but if she was a princess/alicorn with the same personality, I wouldn't mind. 

 

 

[Shanks 10,816]

I not only think that it is incorrect but I am disappointed to see it thrown around as such. Mary Sue is NOT just how powerful the character is. Mary sue deals with many different aspects of the character.

True but by overpowered I and many others who make this argument mean so stupidly and unjustifiably overpowered that story wise it makes absolutely no sense. Gandalf is supposed to be overpowered because he is like the Merlin of his series, Voldermort being overpowered makes sense because as the main antagonist he supposed to be the ultimate bad guy, Superman's power levels have varied depending on who is doing the writing and the version so you can't possibly even begin to count him.

 

Twilight is already overpowered due to her years of training as Celestia's apprentice, her natural talent and being the element of magic on top of that but it nevertheless still makes sense storywise and prevents her from being a Mary Sue because it is not like she just woke up one day and was able to perform high level unicorn spells.

 

During the beginning of the series she had trouble performing several spells which are now second nature to her so she has showed a natural growth throughout the series which makes sense. But her becoming an alicorn which undoubtedly gives her a major power boost at this point makes not sense because there was not nearly enough buildup and development leading up to it making the transformation feel extremely abrupt and rushed. The good news is that she hasn't become a Mary Sue yet and this can still work if Hasbro lets the writers do their job. She may get a massive power boost from this but there is also the matter of controlling this power if done right Twilight could slowly leaern how to control this power over the course of a few seasons thus saving her from the fate of Mary Suedom.

[Pixel Stick 927]

I still haven't seen any evidence that Twilight's powers or abilities are at all greater than before just because she sprouted wings and got a title bestowed on her.  Do we have ANY indication that this is the case?  If not, I say there are an awful lot of assumptions being made about her in the absence of anything official.

[Dr. Love 88]

Well... usually i'd say to try using hypnotism to erase it from your mind, but seeing how everyone is talking about it, that's not really an option anymore, so i don't know really 

[hawkflame 3,310]

Hey, does anyone here have any suggestions on how to cope with Princess Twilicorn?

 

For me, the best I could think of is wait until the S4 premiere to see how they'll handle her. But then again, I would only hope that in the two-part premiere that they set-up a situation that has Twilight decide between either her friends or royalty, and she picks the former, which wouldn't be a good or healthy coping mechanism.

 

Any other ways to cope with the change with Twilight Sparkle?

 

There;s really nothing else you *can* do. 

 

I know you think it sucks, I've mentioned numerous times here that I have issues with it too, but at some point you're just going to have to let it go.  Stop the figurative kicking and screaming, you know?  Accept the reality of the situation- that she *is* an alicorn princess, and there's a good chance that she's going to stay that way.  You *have* to prepare yourself for that.  I have.  I still disagree with the writers' decision, but it is what it is, and I can't do anything about it. 

 

And you're going to have to stop getting so wrapped up about the issue.  Not to say you shouldn't be concerned or critical when you think the show goes in the wrong direction.  In fact, I encourage calm and civil discussion over this issue so that both sides can reach an understanding, which is what I try to do in discussions on this topic.  But remember that at the end of the day getting all hot and bothered about it really isn't worth the energy. 

 

Just take a breath, relax a moment, and look at yourself and see if the situation *really* warrants this kind of emotional investment.  Like if some stranger was looking at you, would they think that your reaction was reasonable? 

[Sylveon101 14]

True but by overpowered I and many others who make this argument mean so stupidly and unjustifiably overpowered that story wise it makes absolutely no sense. Gandalf is supposed to be overpowered because he is like the Merlin of his series, Voldermort being overpowered makes sense because as the main antagonist he supposed to be the ultimate bad guy, Superman's power levels have varied depending on who is doing the writing and the version so you can't possibly even begin to count him.

 

Twilight is already overpowered due to her years of training as Celestia's apprentice, her natural talent and being the element of magic on top of that but it nevertheless still makes sense storywise and prevents her from being a Mary Sue because it is not like she just woke up one day and was able to perform high level unicorn spells.

 

During the beginning of the series she had trouble performing several spells which are now second nature to her so she has showed a natural growth throughout the series which makes sense. But her becoming an alicorn which undoubtedly gives her a major power boost at this point makes not sense because there was not nearly enough buildup and development leading up to it making the transformation feel extremely abrupt and rushed. The good news is that she hasn't become a Mary Sue yet and this can still work if Hasbro lets the writers do their job. She may get a massive power boost from this but there is also the matter of controlling this power if done right Twilight could slowly leaern how to control this power over the course of a few seasons thus saving her from the fate of Mary Suedom.

That is just it. Say she does get a huge power boost. Say that she does become another Luna or Celestia. Why would that make her a Mary Sue?

 

You are right in saying that all of those people are not Mary Sues because of their roles. Well, that same argument applies to Twilight. She is arguably the main character of the show, trained for years with the princess herself, and has a talent for magic underlying all of that. Especially through work.

 

She is not "overpowered". That is who she is and what she does period. You saw her try to deal with animals and what not during winter wrap-up. If it isn't academic or magical, she kinda sucks at it.

 

Even if she gets this so called power boost and becomes amazing at magic, it will never make her a mary sue. The definition just doesn't work that way.

[Shanks 10,816]

Even if she gets this so called power boost and becomes amazing at magic, it will never make her a mary sue. The definition just doesn't work that way.

That is if it is handled correctly in other words she dosen't just become as powerful as Celestia or Luna right away and learns to control this in a sensible time frame in other words slowly over time because if she does become that powerful that quickly then exactly where does she have to go as a character at that point?

[Pixel Stick 927]

That is if it is handled correctly in other words she dosen't just become as powerful as Celestia or Luna right away and learns to control this in a sensible time frame in other words slowly over time because if she does become that powerful that quickly then exactly where does she have to go as a character at that point?

 

That's been my point for many of these arguments: I trust that the writers aren't just going to make her the perfect princess right away.  She still has a LOT to learn, and I seriously doubt she'll ever STOP learning, especially just because she has a new title.  Her ascension to Alicornhood isn't an end by any stretch - it's a new beginning filled with potential that I think even the most mediocre of writers could find a way to explore.  Surely the excellent writers of FiM can do something with it.

[Sylveon101 14]

That is if it is handled correctly in other words she dosen't just become as powerful as Celestia or Luna right away and learns to control this in a sensible time frame in other words slowly over time because if she does become that powerful that quickly then exactly where does she have to go as a character at that point?

There are any number of things that could happen.

 

First off, say she is instantly uber powerful. What for? Will she take over for either Luna or Celestia? Very doubtful, but the idea is there.

 

If she stays with her friends, which we know is fact as stated by several sources, what happens then with her new uber powers? Honestly? She will probably blow something up. There is always the chance that she will have to learn how to control her new found abilities. A completely different way of looking at power gain. Great power does nothing but harm if it isn't focused.

 

Say she has uber powers and complete control over them. For argument's sake, she is as strong as Celestia and she knows exactly how to use all of her powers.

 

Well, she will still be entirely OCD, she will still have almost no practical skills, she will still have her bit of social awkwardness, and she will still have to deal with raising Spike properly while making sure to not lose the friends that got her the wings in the first place. All these things simply cannot be fixed with magic, no matter how powerful it is or how skilled at magic she might be. That is what we love about the character.

[Shanks 10,816]

Well, she will still be entirely OCD, she will still have almost no practical skills, she will still have her bit of social awkwardness, and she will still have to deal with raising Spike properly while making sure to not lose the friends that got her the wings in the first place. All these things simply cannot be fixed with magic, no matter how powerful it is or how skilled at magic she might be. That is what we love about the character.

That all may be true but if she becomes overpowered as I fear than that will still present significant problems story wise. Thankfully this hasn't really happened yet and if Hasbro lets the writers do their jobs probably will not happen so I am still hopeful that this will work though the waiting for season 4 has been painful. And for the record I love Twilight too, before twilicorn she was my second favorite pony and ironically enough twilicorn as much as I hate it reminded me of why I like her and actually got her tied with Applejack and Luna for my favorite pony. She reminds me a great deal of what I was like as a kid, I was very socially awkward and had some OCD like tendencies though not nearly as bad as Twilight and had and still have a love of knowledge and learning. As I got older and more confident my inner Applejack came crashing in but my inner Twilight is still very present.

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

Hey, does anyone here have any suggestions on how to cope with Princess Twilicorn?

 

For me, the best I could think of is wait until the S4 premiere to see how they'll handle her. But then again, I would only hope that in the two-part premiere that they set-up a situation that has Twilight decide between either her friends or royalty, and she picks the former, which wouldn't be a good or healthy coping mechanism.

 

Any other ways to cope with the change with Twilight Sparkle?

This would appear to fit in with the general discussion of whether "Twilight as an alicorn" is a good or a bad thing for the show and for its fandom.

Edited March 8, 2013 by Full Spectrum

[Hangman 320]

I am proud of her. It will be interesting seeing Rainbow dash giving her a flying lesson. I feel like it is going to be hard on the mane 6's friendship though, maybe a bit of Twilight changing and the other ponies being a little disappointed in her. Maybe she will end up choosing to resign to stay true to her friends? 

[TheJackedBrony 12]

I hope its true, i hope she does give up her princess possion.... for now. i just think its too early in this shows life to have twilight be maturing with leadership roles this fast. it might be the "jump the shark" moment and i dont want that to happen. I think she still has more to learn and more too grow before she assumes the princess possision

[Emerald Heart 24,914]

I have to say, I think Alicrorn Twilight is actually a good addition to the show.

 

I mean, think of future EPISODES. With Twilight as a alicorn, things are going to get cra-cra.

 

But in a good way. So I fully support Faust's idea of making Twilight an alicorn.

 

Plus, you people have making alicorn twilight fan art even before she became official alicorn!

 

 

Google. It.

[Display Name 448]

Like i said in my post earlier though.

Its probably not even gonna be permanent.

I heard it's a 3-parter and we have only seen the first part.

[Hangman 320]

I hope its true, i hope she does give up her princess possion.... for now. i just think its too early in this shows life to have twilight be maturing with leadership roles this fast. it might be the "jump the shark" moment and i dont want that to happen. I think she still has more to learn and more too grow before she assumes the princess possision

I completely agree, then again, people were saying that "Keep Calm and Flutter On" was a jump the shark moment. I think that as bronies, we love the show so much that we are willing to stick with it regardless of a few hiccups. I do think that Twily has a bit more common sense than to just trot into something so fast. She tend to get stressed out pretty easily. I feel like this is going to be like how Rainbow Dash turned away from the Wonderbolts Academy, in order to stay true to her beliefs.

[TheJackedBrony 12]

lets hope not man im extreamly warry about this, i was worried from the end of season 3. I hope they dont try to do to much to fast and jump the shark. hoofs crossed

Like i said in my post earlier though.

Its probably not even gonna be permanent.

I heard it's a 3-parter and we have only seen the first part.

[TheRdash5000 1]

I really need honest opinions about this..

Because I have alot of Mixed Feelings about her turning into an alicorn. ._.

They should of saved it for season 4

[Arcus (Silver Lining) Wind 983]

Yes. I think the episode was definitely rushed. It could (and should) have been a two part episode. That being said Megan did say it's basicly the first part of a three parter, so I'm willing to wait til season three to see what they do with it.

[TVhead 4]

I agree that it was very rushed, one day she's just chillin' at home; then suddenly BAM! They slap some wings on her and everyone freaks.

 

I'm fine with her being an alicorn, but they could have at least given us more of a heads up.

[Snowdream 221]

Hmmm, yeas i think that they could have made it into two episodes, infact i wisah they did. The amount that happened in the episode seemed to be crammed in, and detail had to be sacrificed.

[Zygen 6,066]

Eh, maybe a little bit, I feel like the massive undertaking should've been a two parter, but they had already worked all this out I guess and had no real choice.

 

But I mean the thing is the whole show built up to the moment, so in a way it wasn't as rushed as I think most people believe it is.

 

It also has been said that the S4 premier is going to be like a part 2 and 3 of the finale, so they're going to connect together, what that entitles i'm not sure, but needless to say I think its a bit early to say anything for sure about the transformation really at all.

 

I am curious to see what happens in the premier for S4 though.

 

Overall they had a limited time to work with, and for what they had I think they did well, its just they didn't have the space they probably needed, but I still don't think it was terribly rushed or anything, just a little bit.