spoiler Fears Confirmed- New Pony Problem

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

Can't say I am too happy about this. First they make Starlight insanely powerful for no reason and now we have a baby that is extremely powerful right out the gate? Sure, she may not know how to control her magical abilities yet, but I find this to be a cheap way to create some kind of issue with the baby, which makes me feel like that the entire baby thing is pointless. I am wanting to be optimistic, but it just doesn't look all that appealing right now. 

[Number62 1,267]

I don't know if this is off topic, and please Mr. Mod, deal with this post if it is.

 

This is why I hate the books and the comics. This is my opinion and I know it's unpopular.

 

There was no mention of the unicorns suffering because of that in the show (obviously because the episode came before the comics). And interestingly enough, Discord didn't suffer for messing with the sun and the moon (also because of that). This whole gimmick was AKR being lazy, trying to fix the absence of the two in the episode that deals with the past. For how long have they been moving the two celestial bodies before the episode? This is bad retconning. It's covering a hole in a white wall with black tape. Not to mention that in "The Summer of Royal Waves" (the book I bought because I wanted to see Celestia doing something)

Celestia thanks the sun for letting her move it. So I guess that the sun was okay with Discord messing with it and also with Twilight. And the moon didn't care that Celestia was moving it for 1000 years.

 

 

I have no problem with the idea that Celestia lost to Chrysalis because Chrysalis because she was high on love (I still think it's lazy writing, but okay). The problem are the comics. The entire issue about the changelings' origin

is a changeling posing as Chrysalis, telling Twilight their story. I think it wastes a page and a half with Rarity being a bitch. Soon after, there is a scene with the changelings attacking some moron ripped from ancient greek visuals, and then it shows Celestia coming with her guards, looking like she's pissed. Holy crap, I'm going to see Celestia actually fight Chrysalis AND win. F-yeah! Comeuppance! No. I got a panel showing a stained-glass mosaic-like picture of Celestia somehow magiking the holes in Chrysalis body. Screw you IDW, this doesn't even make any sense. Was she doing it intentionaly? You know what this is? This isn't character development. This isn't a plot-point. This is an explanation to the stupid gimmick of the holes on the changelings.

But shame on me for expecting an actual answer about Celestia's size or why her mane looks like that in Celestia's book. Of course, the comic about the siege on the Crystal Empire

has no problem showing Sombra turning Luna and Celestia to stone while Chrysalis is laughing like an idiot.

Goddamn, I hate these comics. And then, in the cartoon, Celestia and Luna are said to have put Tirek in Tartarus. Do I get to see them fight him? No. Of course not. I get to see the mighty Celestia suffer an aneurysm to concoct the dumbest plan in the history of plans and then look like a lost puppy while Tirek puts her in Tartarus. Justice is for the villains in this braindead universe of MLP. Fuck the fans of the good guys! Villains are cool! Put those stakes in the stratosphere because high stakes make for more mature storytelling.

 

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/01/mlp-season-1-5-supervising-director.html

Ask anyone why Moon Dancer is a better Starlight Glimmer, Mr. Thiessen.

 

 Yet every time I see Celestia actually fighting, she's getting roflstomped by <insert character here> while Cadance and Twilight can fight the Tatzlwurm, can carry Discord to the edge of Equestria, can actually DO magic. Hell, Nightmare Moon banished Celestia to the moon, without the Elements, somehow. Yet Celestia is hailed as powerful by her enemies, by her friends.

 

One would hope that after appeasing to the advertisement gods of the marketing department, the fanbase for every fucking single villain and foil in this fandom, Luna's fans, Discord's fans, Cadance's fans, Derpy's fans and more... Can I please see my favorite character, the one that is supposed to be the responsible one, that kept this mess afloat and taught Twilight and supposedly Cadance and Sunset Shimmer what they know; the maternal figure that used to be important to the show doing something right, without looking like a giant waste of animation. Perhaps even know something about her other than that she fucking likes cake?! Something that makes sense for once, without a whole afternoon of mental gymnastics??

 

Now that is a butthurt rant if you guys ever saw one. So people should forgive me for fearing that Celestia and Luna would be overpowered by Cadance's newborn, the fucking weather or any manifestation of the writer's stupidity. I happen to like this cartoon, and bad writing is bad writing, no matter how old the audience. It comes down to the production staff giving a damn.

 

God, I need an aspirin.

It's quite obvious that Princess Celestia is the most wasted character in the show, and you've pretty much said my thoughts on her as a protector. Luna gets to make use of her dream-walking abilities and help the CMC, and all her sister gets is a bunch of minor interactions with the Mane 6. There's even implications of Celestia and Twilight being close, but they've hardly interacted. There was a bit of interaction in Lesson Zero, but that was the only episode with a significant amount of interaction. Unsurprisingly, one episode with a short interaction only at the end isn't much. Their "new" relationship after Twilight's ascension can't be appreciated if you're not even aware that they had some kind of a relationship. Too bad there isn't an interaction between Princess Twilight and her former mentor because that still would've been something at the very least.

 

Even though Luna has been given more to do, she still hasn't done anything as a protector much like her sister, so I still think she's also wasted. It's also a shame that the alicorn sisters haven't done much together on-screen. Celestia gets her sister back after a millennium, so that should be a good thing, right? Yeah, how many episodes has it been since their reunion?

 

And then there's Cadance who I feel came out of no where. She's supposed to be Celestia's niece or whatever, but you wouldn't know that by watching "A Canterlot Wedding" or any episode that features either one of them. I wasn't too accepting of having a third alicorn, but since she's here, she might as well do something. Too bad that hasn't happened much outside of her first appearance, so there's another wasted character. There is a book that explains Cadance a bit, but why the hell wasn't such useful info already in the show?

[BalanceBrony 259]

Let's keep to talking about our thoughts and/or fears about the Promo everypony. We're getting off track here.

[CastletonSnob 3,089]

I think the premiere is going to determine whether or not I continue watching the show.

[Kronos the Revenant 1,972]

Umm, yeah, that promo. It was kind of cool when i first saw just the part when they saw the baby, but after seeing what that demon spawn is capable of, i can see it spelling doom for Equestria and the fandom.

[That Guy with the CMB 5,876]

I like people's black-and-red alicorn OCs better. Yeesh, alicorns are gonna become popular. Anyhow, I'm sure it won't hurt the fandom much, but it is a bit annoying. Sorry for my four-billionth post.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

THE DRAMA IS INTENSE!!!   Seriously guys, calm down a little bit, wait for the premiere and jugde for whatever it is   I have fears and doubts, too, but i will have to watch the episodes myself to make a jugdement. Watch episodes yourself and then you can scream whenever you can (even quit the show, i dont care) not cause havoc all over the place. Wait for 26/3...

 

About Flurry Heart... I think she is some kind of Eldritch Abomination and she will defy the logic of Equestria. This creature are mockery of our reality beyond comprehension...   No Mud Pony can understand this shit    When you watch that episode, you will be engulfed in madness. muahahahahahaha 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

I think the premiere is going to determine whether or not I continue watching the show.

Well, at the very least, if you dislike it you can take solace in the fact that it's most probably going to be the last season so it won't go on much longer after the finale :/

[KatonRyu 1,036]

Well, shit. I was so hoping they wouldn't go this route. It's so overdone that it sort of makes me lose hope for the rest of the season just by seeing this. So is this how they'll get rid of Starlight? Going with some flimsy excuse that she's the only one who can manage this out of control baby with her as-yet-completely-unexplained talent which rivals fricking Twilight's and keeping her there as a glorified nanny?

[RavenholmZombie 1,330]

"Wah, Wah Fluffy Heart's gonna ruin the show! Wah, Wah."

 

That's all I hear in my head when I read this thread.... It's like when Equestria Girls was first announced... the doom-and-gloomers pretty much assumed the worst and started yelling from the rooftops that it would somehow ruin Friendship is Magic... it still hasn't, by the way, and now, almost as if by cue, they're doing it again.

 

For the love of Neptune, give Fluffy Heart a chance, people.

[Sunny Fox 5,958]

It's a little odd how Cadence and Shining ended up having such a powerful baby. I see Cadence as the least powerful, when it comes to just bare magic and nothing helping out (Love, for instance) as the weakest Alicorn out of them. (I don't hate Cadence, I really enjoy her character, I simply see her as a little weaker than the others.) Shining himself doesn't seem all that strong when it comes to magic, so it's a little weird in my opinion that their child has that much power. They should have made it either a Unicorn or a Pegasus, their child never should have been an alicorn. That's just my opinion.

 

Babies never do much for a show either, they usually end up dragging it down. So much attention is showed towards them, and they usually end up just becoming blank, useless FOILs that only serve the purpose of showing how one character in the show is kind, sweet, loving, etc; or giving them some backround or roundness. Again, my opinion.

 

However if it wasn't Flurry who caused the storm, say it was Sombra or somepony, then Flurry's magic would simply be out of control; we wouldn't have a grasp on how powerful she is.

 

However again if it does turn out to be her, or she ends up solving the problem, then I see a need for her powers to be drastically reduced or to somehow be shown as being amplified by others means.

I would disagree that Shining Armor is magically weak. He did create the barrier that kept out the Changelings and even ejected them from Canterlot in the end. Plus strong magic seems to run in the family, if Twilight herself (pre-alicorn status, of course) is any indication.

 

No matter how the episode ends up going, her powers probably will be reduced afterwards, the same way Pumpkin Cake's magic did after she outgrew her "random magical surges". At least, that idea should be used to reduce the new foal's powers, at least until she grows up. If it isn't, I'm going to conclude the writers were snoozing at their keyboards.  -_-

[Spanish In Physician 297]

So, I agree with a number of points in this thread, both on and off topic. Go team Celestia, and lets see her get some substance to her character. Now then, on to princess flurry whatever. I know how this ends finally. For players of the Witcher series, there is a great calamity called the white frost. Thats what's gonna happen, XD Just, BAM SNOWSTORM AND EVERYTHING'S DEAD!

 

Seriously, I do agree that this is lazy writing, and I really hate the whole OP baby aspect. This being said, we may be surprised with the full outcome of the season, least I hope so.

[Dark Qiviut 22,582]

That's the thing: Bronies are great at criticizing the show, the ponies, and everything else under the sun, but even Bronies tend to agree that they'd have no business whatsoever actually calling the shots. Which is nigh incongruous.

It's not nonsensical or silly whatsoever.

1. When an episode is released, we watch and provide feedback. To praise or criticize episodic content is to deliver feedback. Reviewing is a completely different forte compared to screenwriting, and not every reviewer is good at it.
2. Sites like FIMFiction or FanFiction.net offer very few creative restrictions beyond the blanket site rules. When we write our fanfics or comics, we're the judge, jury, and executioner, and we set our own deadlines. The beta-reader/editor provides feedback, but for them to ghostwrite restricts the author of his, her, and hir creative freedom. We write comics, reviews, and fanfics in response to the show.

    

   On the other hand, the standards for script-writing for a professional episode are much more different and much stricter. When writing scripts for episodes, you have to be prepared for so many bumps, including creative restrictions, plugging in toys, deadlines, not violating the content rating, and hoping your script won't be ghostwritten. Unlike fanfic writers, professional writers lead the show and are heavily responsible for delivering a solid first impression of the product's quality to the audience. You're hoping the episode stands firm against criticism and negative feedback. A very terrible episode can lead to a terrible first impression on the viewer, which may result in the potential fan abandoning the show.

3. Script-writing/screenwriting isn't an enviable occupation. Sometimes companies will hire non-union freelancers to write the stories because it gives the companies an excuse to not cut a fat paycheck and not have unions sue them. Many of FIM's writers are freelancers, but whether they're unionized or not, I don't know.

"Wah, Wah Fluffy Heart's gonna ruin the show! Wah, Wah."

 

That's all I hear in my head when I read this thread....

If you want your opinion to be credible, never do this. What you're doing is stereotyping the bronies who are negative over Flurry Heart and encouraging the brony fandom to be a hivemind. Like it or not, not everyone is going to plaster false optimism or feigned smiles on everything. If the impressions look terrible, they're going to pan it and be worried. There are very, very valid reasons to be pessimistic and negative over what we've seen. Rather than lazily handwave them, listen to them.

Edited March 7, 2016 by Dark Qiviut

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

I have a lot of stuff to say, but I think I'll just post this video that gives an interesting perspective on things:

 

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,676]

I'm going to be stubborn and wait for the full premiere before making any judgment calls. If there's something I really don't like doing in regards to the show is project on scant information -- let alone form any attachments to whatever projections.

 

Let's just keep an open and wait for whatever the full premiere will show us.

[deathpioupiou 103]

I am not feared of the baby, while the show make me smile, I am happy with it

[Banul 3,831]

Not a huge fan of Flurry Heart. However, whether she has a detrimental impact on the show remains to be seen. I'm not optimistic about the premiere, but even if my fears are confirmed and the episode is trash, it won't be a disaster as long as they limit the baby's involvement of the overall show.  

 

The situation reminds me of Fairly Odd Parents. I don't watch it, but if I recall correctly, Cosmo and Wanda had a baby at some point that because a regular character. I'll be satisfied if that does not happen in MLP. Maybe somebody who regularly watches that show can weight in on that?

 

In any case, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

I think one crucial thing people seem to forget when talking about Flurry Heart's involvement in the show and comparing it to similar examples is that Cadence and Shining Armor are side characters. They only occasionally appear in the show anyway, so it's not like the baby will become a main character. Sure, she gets her own 2-parter but I can't imagine her having that much of an importance after that. It seems more similar to how A Canterlot Wedding introduced a somewhat change that happened to side characters. So at most, there will probably be an episode where oh I don't know, someone babysits Flurry Heart.

[BlinkZ 1,151]

Okay i'll add to my short statement now that i've had time to breath.

The baby really is a plot device to cuase a conflict. yeah she powerful but in all honestly she'll only be in the opiner nad mentiond her and there.  we knew the weriters had thier hands tied with this foal thing, they had to do it period. saldy they HAD to mak her an alicorn casue 'buy the toys'  but they can make ti work..even if its contrived as hell.  I"m sure the rest of the season will be good and as long as we go writers like Larson on the teasm i'm sure we will see the show keep it fun loving self. (just for  got sake give spike a better role is that too much to ask!)

[ggg-2 3,554]

If you think about it, is Flurry Heart being this powerful REALLY a surprise? Mommy's an alicorn, daddy's the former captain of Celestia's royal guard (and Twilight's flashbacks in Canterlot Wedding implies that he may have one of Twilight's first magic "teachers" before getting into Celestia's school) and her auntie Twilight was the representation of the element of magic long before her ascension.

[Moon Sugar 532]

I'm going out on a limb here and say that I'm not worried. MLP has surprised me before--No reason to think it won't this time. 

 

Honestly this fandom is so panicy.

[LordDiscord 289]

Okay, so back when the first teaser was released, y'all might have seen me skitzing out a bit on a couple of threads. Many people said "wait and see before making a judgement call." Well, now I've seen the new teaser- and this is literally the absolute worst way they could have handled Princess Flurr Fart. Or now as I'd like to call her, Princess Plot Device. Her special talents include being OP, and serving as a Deus Ex Machina, MacGuffin, or other literary device.

 

Back at the first teaser, I was telling people that babies are inherently problematic in storytelling. And I have had long discussions on how this could be dealt with as best as possible. There were some paths that could have been taken that wouldn't have been as bad. But they went the path of the OP baby with uncontrollable powers. And this is bad, bad, badddd.

 

Princess Fartface is OP. She has more power than all of the other Princesses combined it seems. Which is terrible. That teaser singlehandedly made it clear that she is just going to be a walking plot device, to serve whatever purpose is needed, including being the driver of the conflict.

 

To everybody who was "hyped" what are your thoughts now that we're going to have a Fairly OddBaby-tier plot, all about this "special" baby who is OP and causes all kinds of silly accidents because she was born with great power. Are you excited now that it's clear what path the writers are taking? Do you see any way they can clear up this godawful premise? Do you actually like  the idea of an OP baby who just does whatever the story needs her to do?

 

My concerns were justified. The only thing that could make the show passable now is if Princess Plot Device doesn't do anything outside of the opener. Or if they completely get rid of her powers for good. Ways that it could be made even worse is if she becomes a Deus Ex Machina.

 

Here's the godawful promo for anyone who hasn't seen the atrocity at work.

 

 

 

Might I ask whats so problematic that the baby has a lot of power? First off, we don't even know if the baby will struggle with her powers through out the season, and even if she does, what the problem with the infant learning to control her power? If this has to do with her potentially being more powerful then the upcoming villains and will be used as some means to defeat, the villain, it is very doubtful that would happen. Twilight and her friends are not going to turn to a infant to fix their problems, hell they have to Lord of Chaos as a friend and he has yet to become a plot-device and as of yet(with the exception of maybe Tirek) we have not seen a character that could match his power, without the help of special artifacts or others magic. 

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

Not a huge fan of Flurry Heart. However, whether she has a detrimental impact on the show remains to be seen. I'm not optimistic about the premiere, but even if my fears are confirmed and the episode is trash, it won't be a disaster as long as they limit the baby's involvement of the overall show.  

 

The situation reminds me of Fairly Odd Parents. I don't watch it, but if I recall correctly, Cosmo and Wanda had a baby at some point that because a regular character. I'll be satisfied if that does not happen in MLP. Maybe somebody who regularly watches that show can weight in on that?

 

In any case, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The Fairly Odd Parents had been on a downward slope from around the time Steve Marmel left the show, so to try and breathe some new life into it, they introduced Poof. Poof became a member of the main cast, but he didn't really do much and has all but disappeared from the show. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong: I haven't seen much of The Fairly Odd Parents post-Poof) I'm not worried about Flurry Heart becoming another Poof, since I doubt Flurry Heart will be anything more than a minor, recurring character that appears from time to time. I'm more worried about Glimmer, who seems like she's going to be playing a big role this season. I only hope the writers have enough sense to realize that the montage at the end of The Cutie Re-Mark ​isn't enough to redeem her and do what they did with Sunset Shimmer in Rainbow Rocks.

Edited March 8, 2016 by SiIver Spoon

[BalanceBrony 259]

@@LordDiscord,

The problem is that the powerful baby causing accidents while trying to learn to control it is lazy writing. It's a simple plot that's been done many times. This show is great because of interesting stories, deep characters, and good interactions- for me at least. And an OP baby is too easy to turn into a mere plot device.

 

Also, Discord is a character, with depth, conflicts, struggles, and growth. A baby cannot grow in that way because a believable baby can't have characterization.

 

@,

Unfortunately however, it seems like she is just jumping in as a main character with no retcon of the stupid little montage. She's forgiven, and is now treated as a best friend to the main cast. Nonsense. And that's another reason to be concerned. the stupid redemption montage that expected us to forgive Starlight after a laughably weak motivation- yeah that's what we're getting. And then an OP baby on top of it.

[ISleepNow 20]

1. The sun and moon featured in Equestria is significantly smaller and closer to the planet than our own.

 

 

I myself subscribe to the theory that they are both the same size and inside the Hollow Earth